callmened wrote:I LOVE DOMO! i think hes under contract though for only 2 mill and change. this guy is a nice passer, excellent low post scorer and improved rebounder at age 24. the problem is houston knows they have a gem and they also know that dwight's superstar ability is fading. if they package him (with TJones) for a trade, it would be for an elite player

possibly, that "quality ALL STAR" could be CA in which Houston had interest in with Chris Both to max contract just last year
I just do not see us being able to target TOP tier ALL STAR's with our roster and this draft is very strong from the TOP to the Bottom

With the #4 pick, just maybe, Philly would have interest in paying a high price for both Mudiay and Russell in addition to Dario Saric/Covington and Embid/Noel

If Philly pays a Chris Webber type of trade for Muddiay/Russell combo, we could possibly work out a 3team trade for Giannes
I have been a fan of Giannes who I feel could play Scotty Pippens role, though we do not have a Jordan
At some point The Triangle has been successfull with TOP TEIR talents in which we do not have

DMO and LA could play roles that Pau Gasol played in the Triangle
Whiteside could play a role that Bynum/Shaq played with
Giannes playing Pippen's role

As Development Coaches/Assistant Coaches

I think Bobby Portis could be a Jermaine Oneil type of talent that we could acquire and sign Jermaine Oneil to mentor him, even consider signing him for 1 year as a player with guaranteed high salary as a development coach
Signing Rasheed Wallace if we had Kaminksi/DMO/LA or some stretch 4's that have the ability to POST, shoot the 3pter, and defend/rebound at a high level

Signing Billups to work with our PG's and Galloway
Signing Pippen/Battier to work with Thanasis and if we can trade for Giannes if Philly pays a super high price for our #4 pick

Now if we can put together a team to draw interest Durant, playing a Jordan role, next summer

With teams willing to trade their 1st rounders like David Lee and Gereld Wallace, we could use our cap space to acquire many young talents in this draft as well
Yes CA has a no trade clause, however, if we do use our salary space to take bad contracts, he surely would not want to be part of this rebuilding process, especially if Houston offers a trade for him
Phil Jackson and CA will have to sit down and discuss what CA and the best move for this franchise will be....
Maybe something could be agreed upon on draft night with Houston

In my opinion, we should rebuild this team from the bottom up while trading CA and to get back assets, with the 150% rule take back less money and using our cap space to get young assets/draft picks to develop
Even consider trading our #4 pick if a team will overpay with the assets such as Philly, who has rumored to have like both Russell and Mudiay
Philly has over 20 picks in the next couple of years and even if they overpay for our pick, they will still have way too many picks to actually use
On top of that they have will have TOP TIER potential players in every position with a YOUNG BENCH with potential locked up in rookie contracts

They can still sign 2 MAX FA's in 2017 when the cap goes up and possibly even more
If they were willing to take on Calderon's contract in the process it would make it a no brainers
This is a extremely DEEP DRAFT and certainly a draft that we could rebuild our entire roster from the bottom up with
By doing so, we can unload CA's contract to Houston if they are unable to target all TOP TIER talents in which they were willing to offer CA/Bosh a max contract

pick 18
pick 32

Terrence Jones/DMO *combined over 5m of salary with 1st round potential value in trades that we could send out or move up in the draft but would keep DMO*
Corey Brewer *5m player option that could be traded for 2nd rounders to a contender* and Koustas Pap *unguaranteed salary*
over 15m in salaries, so with 150% rule, they do not need to add much more salaries to trade for CA

So if Philly is willing to pay a Chris Webber like trade for Muddiay and Russell, we certainly have to consider it with the assets they have

Muddiay *if scouts believe he indeed is a young John Wall type of talent to go with a young Curry in Russell*
Russell
Dario Saric/Covington

Embid/ Could move Covington to a stretch 4 to allow better floor spacing to penetrate for Muddiay/Russell
Noel

a pretty young bench already with many future draft picks and the cap space to sign 2 MAX players in 2017 and more with a HIGH CEILING of TOP TEIR YOUNG PLAYERS already

Maybe we can do a 3 team trade
With Jabari Parker coming back and many SF's on the Buck's already, also the first 2nd round pick last year, Parker, Ingles, Ilyasova, Dudley, all playing the same position
With MCW, he is a ball dominant PG that isn't the best shooter, which would have trouble fitting in with Giannes because of their weakness's, after the trade the Buck's simply were no longer the same team on DEFENSE or OFFENSE
I think they must choose either MCW or Giannes for their future

Just SOME of Philly's draft picks, 1st rounders

1st rounders Laker's top 2 protected next year and unprotected after
1st rounder Miami's pick top 10 protected next year
1st rounder Pelican's 1st rounder protected
1st rounders from Philly they own ALL OF THEIR 1st rounders

2nd rounders this summer alone
2nd rounders, 5 draft picks this summer and many future 2nd rounders

*some of which we can use to stash talent and let them develop as we did with Thanasis, with many players that could be undrafted to late 2nd rounders but by owning their rights we hold the fate of their NBA journey*

pick 35
pick 37
pick 47
pick 58
pick 60

For Philly, depending on if they are willing to take Calderon's salary or not, if not, I would be looking for 3 1st rounders, maybe 4, depending on the likelyhood of the 1st rounders, in addition to all of the 2nd rounders this summer, possibly more 2nd rounders in the future, depending on the 1st round picks and Calderon.....

If all goes right, we could be contenders as early as 2017, if these young players can draw interest with their development and the cap space that we would have to sign ALL STAR veterans
We will still have our 2 future 1st rounders as well to work with

If we cannot attract FA's with our core then we have to what is best for the future of our franchise
Like Iman/JR, Pablo, Tyson, we can send these players to contenders, especially in the West where it would not hurt us with CA

Philly and Boston has many draft picks, however, Philly has a LOT more picks and many YOUNG players with high ceilings as well
If Philly is willing to pay a lot of assets in order to have Mudiay/Russell in addition to their core of young players, with the ability to contend in 2017 when those guys get some experience and finish out their roster with 50m+ with the rise of the cap, they still have plenty of draft picks and limited roster space to utilize those picks

We simply cannot build around CA with the lack of talent and assets we have with his contract
We need to rebuild our core from the bottom up then in 2017 preserve cap space to sign 2-3 TOP TIER talents while we use this upcoming season to collect as many young players/assets in the process
It depends if Philly is willing to overpay for the #4th pick and that is why I think we should draft Mudiay regardless, who has the highest ceiling
Then on draft night, Phil Jackson is going to have to talk to CA, if he needs to take bad contracts in order to collect the talents needed to contend in the future
If he is willing to wait and rebuild with us then so be it but if not, send him to a Western Conference team that would allow give us the best in return for him and allow is to better spend his contract
If Houston is willing to give us a package along with Philly, by using our cap space to grab the most talent we could develop, in 2017 and 2018 we can finish off if those players in this draft and continued development talents can interest with a strong young core and TOP TIER players through FA, it would be allow us to contend for many years to come

callmened wrote:i do believe we can build a contender with melo. as long as hes not the best player on the team. that will occur once he ages more and his skills have declined.

i would LOVE to get rid of melo but dolan loves him, he loves nyc, his family loves nyc and winning isnt a priority is. his "brand" is. therefore nyc is where he wants to stay.

im not making this stuff up. lol. my best friend works as a lawyer for steve mills at MSG. i have another friend who is a beat reporter for the knicks on SNY. and my fiance is a lawyer for LaLa.

trust me, hes not going anywhere anytime soon. id even go as far to say that they worship melo. lol

I think this is all true. Trading for Melo is one of Dolan's biggest achievements in his warped mind. Melo probably hasn't even signed his last contract here.

callmened wrote:i do believe we can build a contender with melo. as long as hes not the best player on the team. that will occur once he ages more and his skills have declined.

i would LOVE to get rid of melo but dolan loves him, he loves nyc, his family loves nyc and winning isnt a priority is. his "brand" is. therefore nyc is where he wants to stay.

im not making this stuff up. lol. my best friend works as a lawyer for steve mills at MSG. i have another friend who is a beat reporter for the knicks on SNY. and my fiance is a lawyer for LaLa.

trust me, hes not going anywhere anytime soon. id even go as far to say that they worship melo. lol

He is not buidling any brand if we are unable to attract TOP TEIR talents that you realize must be better than CA
CA might like New York, at the same time, he wants a team that has the ability to compete for a title
If we force his hand by taking back bad contracts and concentrating on development, does he want to go through consective 3 seasons, possibly more, of being irrelevent and being crapped on by every Sports Network/BB analyst?

It isn't that I want to get rid of CA but we simply lack the assets and young talent to compete with him on a high level
Unless TOP TEIR talents will be willing to take the risk of joining a losing franchise, with Durant/Whiteside next season, possibly a leader like Lebron as well, I can not see how we can contend
On top of the winning teams *too many to list* that will continue to improve, there are many young/upcoming teams like Bucks/Pelicans/Wizards, on top of stacked young talent and draft picks like Lakers/Sixers/Boston/Twolves

Which FA's would actually choose New York over all of the other 29 teams if offered the same money, with our tax and high property/cost of living?

Then there is the other option, STARPHUQ all the way with the rest of our assets with the #4 pick and our future 2 1st rounders and some late 2nd rounders
We could try to unload Calderon with some assets, trade Tim Hardaway/Early and possibly Shved without taking back salaries for 2nd rounders, possibly trading our #4 pick for an establish young player like Giannes in addition to multiple draft picks
With the addition of MCW on the Buck's and return of Jabari Parker, both MCW and Giannes have trouble playing together because of their shooting abilities and being ball dominant along with Middleton/Parker
A player such as Stanley Johnson and a future Center could be better for the franchise long term, unless they are able to trade MCW but I do not see how MCW and Giannes fits together
Bucks were no longer the same defensive team and poor OFFENSE right after they made the trade for MCW, losing chemistry and another ball handler/shooter/facilitator with Brandon Knight

Just like when Dallas traded for Rhondo, they weren't able to execute their philosophy and they struggled with a ball dominant PG that can not shoot, which is opposite of the system Rich Carlise has implimented

By getting rid of Calderon *will cost us assets* with our 2 1st rounders but getting back some 2nd rounders in the process
Tim Hardaway and Early, and trading Shved, we could add some 1-2 2nd rounders*

That would give us about 40m to work with this summer and if we can sign some TOP TIER FA's like LA to play Pau Gasol's role on the Lakers

With 40m, we could sign LA and Jordan, and still find a loophole to get the full 6m MLE, on top of our #4 pick, however, we choose to use it

DMO fits the Triangle and would be better than Kaminski because he plays INSIDE OUT with actual post skills/foot work/ and can hit the wide open 3pter
However, I do not see how we can trade for him with giving up CA

Again if Philly would be willing to give us a ransom trade, we certainly should consider it and invite as many talents from all over the draft instead of just 1 pick in order for

Muddiay
Russell
Dario Saric/Covington
Embid *Covington playing the stretch 4 at times*
Noel