Sorry to say this fans, but our Knicks will not get any respect in this league until we rid ourselves from all the Layden's acquisitions minus Sweetney. The likes of: Houston, Kurt Thomas, Shandon Anderson, Harrington, Deke, etc, have to be replaced by other players for our team to be successful. When you have a new GM, Coach, and a new super-star on board, it normally attract nothing but plain frictions between the old players and the new ones. I know that Houston is considered a good guy, but as sad as it is to say, the Knicks are no longer his team. He has to go.

he has to go as he's the symbol of a period of loosing.
nothing more.

How can you justify trading away Allan Houston??
The only beef I have with him really is his contract..
If he didn't have such a crazy salary more than 80% of the league would be after him!!!

When healthy he and Steph will be a potential 45-50ppg backcourt.. Moreover, he is arguably one of the top three "purest" shooters in ths league; WHY??? Would anyone wanna deal him away.. unless IT meant getting a bonafide big man that will contribute, or a player equally comparable (ie Ray Allen).

FYI, Just because a team trades for a higher profile player; In this case, NYK receiving Stephon Marbury.. doesn't mean their will be friction as you claimed.. Allan Houston, is not a superstar.. nor is Stephon Marbury- they both were happy about the trade, and were excited about playing together!!!.. (IMO, there are only 5 SUPERSTAR caliber players in this league- Shaquille Oneal, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant and Tracy McGrady)

I do agree that this is now Steph's team YES... But he is not a SUPERSTAR, No doubt he has Star quality in NY (Hometown Product), but he isn't on that tier of players yet!!! That being said, Allan Houston is good.. Steph is better.. BUT THEY can co-exist and Im glad we have both. Houston, doesn't need this to be his team.. in fact, i think that is placing too much pressure on him-- He just needs to deliver in the clutch and be a solid performer as he's been thus far!!!! Signing a major contract was the worst thing for his basketball career.. because people started to judge his performance vs the contract. "100 million dollar man? Oh he should be like Kobe or Tmac right?"

As an aside, The Knicks regardless of who they have outside of a dominant big man will not win.. You can add Kobe or Tmac or anyother highly acclaimed shooting guard in this league-- IT WONT MATTER! The Knicks need a big man who can score downlow, and will open up the perimeter. OUR Backcourt is not the issue.. Its our center and Power forward positions that lack.


Thats why, im hoping the Knicks do pull off a sign and trade for Jamal Crawford, cause then maybe NY will be able to orchestrate a trade for Chris Webber-- Then and only then would I deal away Allan H20. After we get Webber, we can all talk about how he doesn't come up big in the 4th quarter. lol

Isiah will be patient, cause he's smart enough not to do deals that may backfire in his face.

Trading alan is a wrong idea if he's healthy, cause what he brings, even one diemnsion of the game I read your posts silver, can't eb found easily.

Paired with marbury, they would be a terrific backourt.

YET, we're still waiting, like when we were waiting to see dice playing with spree and houston (btw one of my greatest regrets regarding the knicks).

Alan was right to be upset over chaney getting fired. Isiah bumbled it. By the way, Isiah is not over for making a mistake. And for all that trouble they bought in Lenny?

But ALan is a solid pro and will get witht he program. ONe thing you learn is this is a business, especially on the knicks. Alan knows about promises kept as checketts promised to max him when he opted out.

ALan will support the team because its in everybodys interest. If alan returns big time then he might be tradeable to a team making a strong push. Thats a win win for him and the team.

Think good things for Alan to return healthy. He won't ever be a problem and its good for the team in may aspects!

How about this, Houston should be dumped becaue he is old and injured and can no longer perform at a good enough level to be a high paid starter? The day the Knicks get rid of Houston will be almost as great as the day Layden got fired. Probably a throup between Caheny's firing and Houstons's dismissal it would be. Btw, Chaney was a moron, he should have quit if he had any pride or heart, he deserved to be humilated for what he did with the team, his coaching was pathetic, and his continuing sucking up in order to stick around after failing again and again deserved that dismisal.

Posted by diderotn:

It appears to me that there are two types of Knicks fans, one that want to see this team improve at all costs, and one that wants to retain all the old players that they have developed a relationship with.

there are a couple of other type of knicks fans:

1. those that think the only way to win is to make cap space and build through the draft

2. those that think we suck no matter what we do (the eternal pessimist)

3. those that think we're on our way to getting better after the 3 years in history that'll be known as the layden era.

my viewS:
1. has been proven over and over and over again that this doesn't guarantee you anything. without the right men running the organization (chicago, clippers, atlanta, and now the suns), all the brilliant moves to make the cap space and clear the dead wood go to **** when it's time to use that money wisely. secondly, our high priced players fall into two categories: 1. they're so high priced that nobody wants them (h20, penny) or 2. they suck and we'd have to take another teams scrub with an equally bad salary in return (shandon). the only way to get cap space in our situation is to wait it out and that's 3-4 years at the minimum.

2. these are the fans that think we're gonna always be mediocre at best. we'll never improve as long as player X is on the team or as long as we are in cap hell. what they fail to realize is that it takes time to turn things around, especially in the situation we're in. types 1 & 2 usually go together but they're willing to wait 3-5 years on players that may never take you there (rookies), but already find faults with a new gm, new coach, and new players within the first 3 months they're on the job. that's why ny fans are the most fickle and short sighted fans in the world and that's not a good thing.

3. this is what i believe. i think we're ok right now. i know work has to be done but i believe in our gm and i think he's gonna make us a better team. very few teams win the title, but if that's the measuring stick, then every team outside of lakers, spurs, and most recently detroit suck. i just want a team that's going to compete and get to the championship type level and atomsphere. winning the whole thing takes some luck and the stars to align so i can understand if it never happens. i'm willing to be patient and see things through for at least a year or two before i find faults with our course of action. if in 2 years, there's no improvement and we're in a worse situation, then i'll gladly admit that isiah did a bad job. but what i don't understand is how everyone can be so negative so quickly and not even willing to see how things turn out. for christ's sake people, we had 2 injured 18+ ppg players on the bench for the nets series. and 2 games came down to the final possession. why do we suck so much? i don't get it.

djsunyc, it's always refreshing to read your posts:

I think it is clear that Isiahs #1 goal is to improve within' the organization, and I don't think he only wants that b/c it's gonna be hard for us to make deals. I think he's sincere about how he say's he's enthusiastic about Sweetney, Williams, and even DerMarr and Ariza. I think he wants to see those guys line up with Marbury and hopefully Houston, and battle for a better playoff position.

You're also right about people who only want to rebuild through the draft and building cap space. It's not just about that. It's just putting a team together, and using the pieces YOU HAVE to either improve within' or to trade for pieces that can combine for helping now, and in the future. The draft is a stroke of luck for most teams, b/c it's extremely difficult to develop these players. But it can happen. The game is this; with good drafting, you have to have good patience and a good development team. I think Isiah can go by this. The Clippers don't, b/c they just get rid of their promising players, and barely develop them at all. I think Isiah wants to use the draft as a tool, and develop any player he can get, and just see what happens.

As for Allan Houston. For all the people getting on my back, here are my real thoughts:
Yes, he is injured, and very well could be past his prime, but that doesn't mean HE IS BAD. The year before this season, his defense improved (But it was about average, I would say) and he was much more aggresive. Before Marbury came along, he was also playing that same way, this season. He was getting to the line and playing hard. Then, his injuries caught up to him. Truth is, I don't think anybody really knows how Allan Houston is doing. I think that article that silverfeul posted (With how Allan couldn't touch the rim) could very well be bogus. I am not saying that's definite though. I think he can come back and score 18 ppg consistently next season, and I think he can be a good performer for us. Why some people are so much less patient with him, and not Tim and Kurt Thomas, is beyond me. They are the ones that byatch and moan all the time. Not Houston.

Although, his contract sets the franchise back, it doesn't destroy the Knicks, b/c the other contracts are killing them just as much. If we didn't have Houston's contract, we would still be 70 mm over the cap. People just don't seem to take that into account. As for his actual play, it can't hurt to have him. When he is healthy, he helps us win. If we can get a young SG to develop, I think Allan can be a good mentor for him.

I don't know exactly the direction the franchise is headed right now, but if we can win 45 games this season, and be a 6 seed, I will call this season a success., w/ or w/o changes.

I don't dislike Houston the person, but the fact that some of you fans always try to treat him as a super-star is insulting to me. This dude is collecting a hefty pay check, and most of all is one dimentional. If he just came into the league, I would be a little more patient with him, but the dude is a 10 year vet, and failed to add new things to his game. Why must we stand around and watch this dude continue to deteriorate while also killing our cap space? As for TT, Knick fans have to be patient with him. After all, he only played for less than 2 months in our rotation.



As for Allan Houston. For all the people getting on my back, here are my real thoughts:
Yes, he is injured, and very well could be past his prime, but that doesn't mean HE IS BAD. The year before this season, his defense improved (But it was about average, I would say) and he was much more aggresive. Before Marbury came along, he was also playing that same way, this season. He was getting to the line and playing hard. Then, his injuries caught up to him. Truth is, I don't think anybody really knows how Allan Houston is doing. I think that article that silverfeul posted (With how Allan couldn't touch the rim) could very well be bogus. I am not saying that's definite though. I think he can come back and score 18 ppg consistently next season, and I think he can be a good performer for us. Why some people are so much less patient with him, and not Tim and Kurt Thomas, is beyond me. They are the ones that byatch and moan all the time. Not Houston.

Although, his contract sets the franchise back, it doesn't destroy the Knicks, b/c the other contracts are killing them just as much. If we didn't have Houston's contract, we would still be 70 mm over the cap. People just don't seem to take that into account. As for his actual play, it can't hurt to have him. When he is healthy, he helps us win. If we can get a young SG to develop, I think Allan can be a good mentor for him.

dider, did you try to quote my post but couldn't do it? It's OK though.

Nalod, I agree with you. Lets just enjoy what we have and see if this team CAN make strides.

What Post????

Posted by Allanfan20:

dider, did you try to quote my post but couldn't do it? It's OK though.

Nalod, I agree with you. Lets just enjoy what we have and see if this team CAN make strides.