crzymdups wrote:Look at the way the teams like Washington, Golden State, Atlanta, Houston are built - they stretch the floor with shooters, but they still have some big loads in the paint. Gortat, Nene on WAS. Bogut on GSW, Draymond Green can play the five, but is not someone you can replicate, Houston has Dwight, Atlanta has Horford. These stretch the floor teams still have an anchor in the middle. Ironically, it seems like a lot of them are mimicking what the Knicks did with Tyson, they just have more capable lead guards.

Porzingis doesn't fit that model. I'm not sure where he fits. I think drafting him would be a disaster.

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Look at the way the teams like Washington, Golden State, Atlanta, Houston are built - they stretch the floor with shooters, but they still have some big loads in the paint. Gortat, Nene on WAS. Bogut on GSW, Draymond Green can play the five, but is not someone you can replicate, Houston has Dwight, Atlanta has Horford. These stretch the floor teams still have an anchor in the middle. Ironically, it seems like a lot of them are mimicking what the Knicks did with Tyson, they just have more capable lead guards.

Porzingis doesn't fit that model. I'm not sure where he fits. I think drafting him would be a disaster.

Porzingis will play the 4 in the NBA not the 5 unless down the raod he puts enough weight on which with him being so young as of now that i'm sure he's still growing.

How many 7'2" 4s have you seen in the league? You're gonna have Porzingis running around trying to cover Kevin Love, Zach Randolph, Blake Griffin, Anthony Davis, Draymond Green, etc?

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Look at the way the teams like Washington, Golden State, Atlanta, Houston are built - they stretch the floor with shooters, but they still have some big loads in the paint. Gortat, Nene on WAS. Bogut on GSW, Draymond Green can play the five, but is not someone you can replicate, Houston has Dwight, Atlanta has Horford. These stretch the floor teams still have an anchor in the middle. Ironically, it seems like a lot of them are mimicking what the Knicks did with Tyson, they just have more capable lead guards.

Porzingis doesn't fit that model. I'm not sure where he fits. I think drafting him would be a disaster.

Porzingis will play the 4 in the NBA not the 5 unless down the raod he puts enough weight on which with him being so young as of now that i'm sure he's still growing.

Plus, he's already a sold three point shooter. He can help stretch the floor on offense and provide weak side support on defense for whoever we get to man the post.

Think about how John Henson, 220 lbs and Giannis Antetokounmpo, 217 lbs have been able to play in this league. If they can do it I see no reason why Kris P can't do it.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:People should check this kids release. It's quick and smooth. He's not aiming his shots awkwardly like some big kids. He strokes it. Heck he should be a great fit in the Triangle in the Pau role. Bargs looked good in that role last year and this kid has the makings of that kind of talent. Running the floor, Finishing at the rim and stroking shots from the perimeter. He may not yet be a physical big but his skills should still allow him to have a role in the NBA.

Think about how John Henson, 220 lbs and Giannis Antetokounmpo, 217 lbs have been able to play in this league. If they can do it I see no reason why Kris P can't do it.

Well, I hope Philadelphia agrees with you.

Good one! . I don't see Philly going for Kris but you never know. Hinkie is likely to do anything. He seems like he's always trying to show how smart he is.

codeunknown wrote:Porzingis depends on your individual level of risk aversion. He's tall and mobile with a good shooting touch, so there is a chance he could be great. I will bet however that he will be able to be effectively guarded by the 6'8 to 6'10 NBA prototype given his average 1st step/handle/post agility. A lot depends on how his body develops along the strength/quickness tradeoff but, playing the percentages, I pass on Porzingis at #4 without too much hesitation.

I don't see Kris as being as much of risk as Darko and some of the Euros who have been drafted. Kris get major minutes while those other guys usually rode the benches on their club team. Workouts are going to play a huge role here, but I can honestly say that Porzingis displayed above average ball handling and agility in his clips. You don't need super human explosiveness when you can get to the rim in a step. The only real question is his body.

BigDaddyG wrote:

codeunknown wrote:Porzingis depends on your individual level of risk aversion. He's tall and mobile with a good shooting touch, so there is a chance he could be great. I will bet however that he will be able to be effectively guarded by the 6'8 to 6'10 NBA prototype given his average 1st step/handle/post agility. A lot depends on how his body develops along the strength/quickness tradeoff but, playing the percentages, I pass on Porzingis at #4 without too much hesitation.

I don't see Kris as being as much of risk as Darko and some of the Euros who have been drafted. Kris get major minutes while those other guys usually rode the benches on their club team. Workouts are going to play a huge role here, but I can honestly say that Porzingis displayed above average ball handling and agility in his clips. You don't need super human explosiveness when you can get to the rim in a step. The only real question is his body.

Don't agree with you on the ball handling or agility with respect to the defense he will face at the 4 in the NBA. Also don't agree with you that he'll be getting to the rim in 1 step, unless its through a defender. He has a chance to be net positive if his body allows him to defend and rebound at a passable level. I'm not taking the chance, I'll pass.

BRIGGS wrote:the keys for Porzingis to having maximum success.

It's still very hard for me to discern the positive/ negative differences between Kaminsky and Kris P and how each player +- will relate to the best basketball player.

For instance Porzingis can shoot the ball well while I believe Kaminsky is a Great shooter
Kaminsky has a much more fluid feel for the game in terms of all the basic skills
porzingis has physical attributes Kaminsky will never have notably more athleticsm and incredible extension.Porzingis extension allows him to play essentially over the square. He's able to block/ alter and finish shots Kaminsky can only dream of.
Kaminsky game is polished. We know what he is he knows what he is and he has all the skills. this is an under rated attribute
Porzingis game is not refined like that and we have to say that at 19 few games are.
From watching Porzingis it will be important to make sure 90% of his game is played within the 3 point line. There are risks while bargani and Porzingis are different they could end up the same IF the team he is taken by allows this'd. The avenues that will make Porzingis great is simple you play efficiently. You use your length and extension to make multiple high % plays on both ends and you make this a staple. You use the 3 as augmentation to the rest of your game. People tend to think Dirk was a great 3 point shooter but he wasn't and dint shoot them in great volume either. So for me with Porzingis it would be mid range to rim with a little 3 added in. This will be critical and can give Porzingis an opportunity to play like a combination of kg and dirk. Kaminsky can simply take his great fundamentals and just keep improving. I think Kaminsky is the safe bet Porzingis has a higher potential plateau as a player

Do you believe the workouts we will put these guys through can make you feel differently about this?

BigDaddyG wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

codeunknown wrote:Porzingis depends on your individual level of risk aversion. He's tall and mobile with a good shooting touch, so there is a chance he could be great. I will bet however that he will be able to be effectively guarded by the 6'8 to 6'10 NBA prototype given his average 1st step/handle/post agility. A lot depends on how his body develops along the strength/quickness tradeoff but, playing the percentages, I pass on Porzingis at #4 without too much hesitation.

I don't see Kris as being as much of risk as Darko and some of the Euros who have been drafted. Kris get major minutes while those other guys usually rode the benches on their club team. Workouts are going to play a huge role here, but I can honestly say that Porzingis displayed above average ball handling and agility in his clips. You don't need super human explosiveness when you can get to the rim in a step. The only real question is his body.

Don't agree with you on the ball handling or agility with respect to the defense he will face at the 4 in the NBA. Also don't agree with you that he'll be getting to the rim in 1 step, unless its through a defender. He has a chance to be net positive if his body allows him to defend and rebound at a passable level. I'm not taking the chance, I'll pass.

You gotta remember that he is a four--with three-point range. Most of his drives will be straight line to the hoop. Pump fake and go. He's not Lebron. You're not going to ask him to run the offense. His dribbling is in line with what Andrei Kirilenko could do coming into the league.

I would not have started this thread if I was not interested and intrigued by this guy, but Phil's big me are usually decent passers, and Porzingis has not yet been in a situation where he was required to be a very good passer.

While he seems to have the potential to be a good stretch 4, we will probably not ask him to do that kind of thing in our offense/

Is he coachable enough to learn and embrace the triangle?

codeunknown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

codeunknown wrote:Porzingis depends on your individual level of risk aversion. He's tall and mobile with a good shooting touch, so there is a chance he could be great. I will bet however that he will be able to be effectively guarded by the 6'8 to 6'10 NBA prototype given his average 1st step/handle/post agility. A lot depends on how his body develops along the strength/quickness tradeoff but, playing the percentages, I pass on Porzingis at #4 without too much hesitation.

I don't see Kris as being as much of risk as Darko and some of the Euros who have been drafted. Kris get major minutes while those other guys usually rode the benches on their club team. Workouts are going to play a huge role here, but I can honestly say that Porzingis displayed above average ball handling and agility in his clips. You don't need super human explosiveness when you can get to the rim in a step. The only real question is his body.

Don't agree with you on the ball handling or agility with respect to the defense he will face at the 4 in the NBA. Also don't agree with you that he'll be getting to the rim in 1 step, unless its through a defender. He has a chance to be net positive if his body allows him to defend and rebound at a passable level. I'm not taking the chance, I'll pass.

You gotta remember that he is a four--with three-point range. Most of his drives will be straight line to the hoop. Pump fake and go. He's not Lebron. You're not going to ask him to run the offense. His dribbling is in line with what Andrei Kirilenko could do coming into the league.

Again it depends on what you expect from the #4 pick in terms of the probability distribution of different levels of success. I agree that he can play a secondary role in the offense as the recipient of passes from a primary offensive threat. But in that case, you need to be at least average defensively and rebounding-wise in order to make a positive contribution. I don't like the odds with him.