newyorker4ever wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:As I start to write this, Fran Fraschilla is saying that he believes the Knicks should choose between Mudiay and Porzingis. He just said that he would take Porzingis over Mudiay. He likes Winslow, but sees some limitations, and does not put him up with Mudiay and Porzingis.

He compared his D to that of Kirilenko, and then threw out the Dirk comparison.

Earlier in the day, Jay Bilas also mentioned Porzingis.

He is clearly being looked at by a lot of folks, and Fraschilla said some even say that at some point he might be one of the top 2 players to come from this draft.

Watched more of the videos on him, today, and took more time to look at them because we might be looking at him seriously..

This one is from July of 2014- it is a general analysis of his ability:

This is from December 2014 vs Barcelona, where DraftExpress breaks down what he did in the game.

I'm sure there are other videos to look at, but I have not searched for them yet.

Edit_ here is an analysis from February 2014.

Another one to music- don't like the fanboy video's, but it shows some good stuff

He has a lot of upside, but is already a very polished player who played at a high level in a strong league over in Europe.

He can shoot from the outside, has a midrange game, shows some moves in the post, and he can run. He also looks like he has the lateral movement and length to be a fine defender, and for a guy with his length, he has a decent center of gravity. The videos show him boxing out for rebounds, too.

Still has some things to work on besides his body, and I wish he was a better passer, but he is already a good player, and for now, his length should mitigate the problems cause by his lack of bulk.

Folks would be foolish to discount this guy. Briggs has talked about him during the year, but he seems to be highly regarded by guys who look at college players for a living.

There would be an uproar by some if we took him- and expect to get ripped by some, since many are prejudiced toward Euros, but if he comes in with a little more bulk, and shows the things he's shown in Europe, I think the Knicks will give him a more than serious look.

This is my guy that i've been talking about for a while now, but even with how much of a fan i am of him and wouldn't mind Phil drafting him at 4, i am a little on the edge about him cause he's gonna take some time to put some weight on and to adjust to the NBA. Now of course nobody knows if it will take the kid 1 year to be ready or 3 years to be ready but when he's ready he'll be a hell of a player in the NBA and i'd love to see him on the Knicks.

This is where you put on your big boy pants and make a choice that will change our fortunes for the better. Roll the dice on Porzingis.

He's probably going to be in the mold of a Dirk in terms of being more of a perimeter to midrange guy as opposed to low post banger. At least early on in his career.

BigRedDog wrote:Ben Golliver: Knicks president Phil Jackson: “We could not pass on Kristaps. He has eye-opening talent and is ready for the challenge to play in NYC.”

what else could a fan want to hear? none of us know anything abuot kristaps, but i trust the scouts do. im all in on porzingis.

BRIGGS wrote:Ill say this again about Porzinigs

I don't like his ectomorphic body type. I think in combination of being a run/jump athlete with his unusually long and brittle looking limbs--he looks primed to be an athlete who will deal with injury problems.(In Major League baseball scouts tend to keep away from pitchers with normal height and slight builds in fear of them hurting themselves--apologies to Ron Guidry) So you're a team who is willing to take a pick that will result in a player who you KNOW doubt will have to A. Wait on for 2-3 years and B. Take a player who is a walking injury risk

Im sorry to Fran Fischilla or anyone else out there who likes Porzinighis. On first look you are somewhat taken by his incredible combination of length and athleticism--its a rare bird and he can shoot. BUT he will shy away from NBA contact for the foreseeable future--he doesnt have the nuances of the game down like a Kaminsky--and he could probably give Kaminsky a helluva 1-1 battle--but basketball is 5-5 and its physical and whether right or wrong--I say steer clear of this guy too many what if's. He cannot handle the ball he has a tweener awkwardness--he's an opportunistic secondary player in Europe. No fans will get this pick and it has ridicule written all over it. Steer clear.

lets call it as we saw it ... we can flip flop a thousand times but what happened to watching a guy for 10 minutes and just knowing what you are looking at?

blkexec wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

blkexec wrote:I'm sorry...but after I realized we were picking 4th.....this was the first guy I thought about. Since we lost out on Towns and Ok4.....This guy had the best chance at being a star in the NBA. Then I got sucked into the Winslow pick.....And finally the WCS pick. Well, I thought if I can read up on this guy again, and he makes me forget about Winslow and WCS, then I would forget about picking him at 4.....But I can't. He has too much star potential to pass up, which is why Orlando will grab him up quick, after we select WCS.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2482016-the-case-for-kristaps-porzingis-as-a-top-5-pick-in-the-2015-nba-draft

Once you get beyond Karl-Anthony Towns and Jahlil Okafor, Porzingis compares favorably to any other talented prospect in this class. Several of the top-five lottery teams should highly consider snagging him.

At No. 5, the Orlando Magic would love the shooting and rim protection he offers. At No. 4, the Knicks are in need of talent all over the place, and he may be the top performer left on the board. And the Philadelphia 76ers at No. 3 have made several visits abroad to watch him play. Derek Bodner of Liberty Ballers reports that general manager Sam Hinkie is a "big fan."

No one's crowning him as the next Nowitzki or franchise-transforming superstar. His suitors should realize the risk involved in choosing him.

But Porzingis is on track to be anything but a bust. He'll be used in a variety of ways, and he projects to be one of the most dangerous Europeans to grace the NBA hardwood in the past decade.

The reward is just too rich to pass up.

He works out in Las Vegas in about a week. Should be the same type of video we saw with a lot of the players so far. His dad and older brother both played, so he has a pedigree.

He actually worked out in Brooklyn the other day, under a bridge. Saw a picture of it, but there is no video.

I've been putting out the idea that if he impresses, he might sneak into the top 3, and we would benefit. Besides Hinkie, Saunders has been talking about him. If you are building long-term, he would be an interesting choice. Hinkie already has a guy names Saric in Europe, and he may be over here soon, so he may not be as interested, now. They seem a little similar in some ways, but Saric is shorter and he is said to be a better passer, which is a weakness with Porzingis.

If Anthony was not on the team, and we had our pick for next year, this would be the guy to take because he has already shown ability in what may allegedly be the second best league in the world, he may be the tallest guy in the draft, and he's still only 19.

Don't want to say anything else, I'm afraid that the Steinboys might be listening. They've become a kind of cult on UK. You might be in grave danger for even posting on this thread.

I think there are many good picks to be had at 4, though. We should do OK. I would be happy with Winslow and Mudiay if Phil is OK with them, Porzingis, who I'm rooting for, and Kaminsky, who has been completely forgotten after beating the Towns and Stein head to head.

Russell or OK4 drop to 4 for some reason, then we are really happy.

Well, I might fit the profile of the Stein-men (too old to be a boy).....But I'm a realist. And you don't use the top of the draft to fill a need. This isn't the NFL where we have 7 rounds. So the top pick should be superstar potential. Stein, Mudiay, Winslow all have star potential. This kid has super star potential. I don't care if he's from Mars.

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Ill say this again about Porzinigs

I don't like his ectomorphic body type. I think in combination of being a run/jump athlete with his unusually long and brittle looking limbs--he looks primed to be an athlete who will deal with injury problems.(In Major League baseball scouts tend to keep away from pitchers with normal height and slight builds in fear of them hurting themselves--apologies to Ron Guidry) So you're a team who is willing to take a pick that will result in a player who you KNOW doubt will have to A. Wait on for 2-3 years and B. Take a player who is a walking injury risk

Im sorry to Fran Fischilla or anyone else out there who likes Porzinighis. On first look you are somewhat taken by his incredible combination of length and athleticism--its a rare bird and he can shoot. BUT he will shy away from NBA contact for the foreseeable future--he doesnt have the nuances of the game down like a Kaminsky--and he could probably give Kaminsky a helluva 1-1 battle--but basketball is 5-5 and its physical and whether right or wrong--I say steer clear of this guy too many what if's. He cannot handle the ball he has a tweener awkwardness--he's an opportunistic secondary player in Europe. No fans will get this pick and it has ridicule written all over it. Steer clear.

lets call it as we saw it ... we can flip flop a thousand times but what happened to watching a guy for 10 minutes and just knowing what you are looking at?

BRIGGS wrote:A few points.

1. I think they are right about him playing in the US. He would likely be a 15-20 point 7-9 rebound 3 block CBB played depending on where he went and a lock to go top 3. Hes easily a 5 in CBB and his comparisons wouldve been a Massachusetts Marcus Camby with more size and range. Camby went #2.

2. You like that his entire life is basketball. I mean watching this he IS DRAGO of basketball right?

3. When you watch some of his movements--he just seems unique. Like if he can put on 20 pounds and hone it out he could be a special player.

I do think right now he is a tweener. His best position is gaining 20 pounds and becoming a true 5-4. Moving inside and using the 3 as an augmentation to his overall game. He really needs to learn post footwork--I think hes got the touch down already.

If you have the balls and have a reasonable range of patience you could have an athletic 7-2ish 240-245 pound C for the next 10 + years.
I do not think his downside is bust at all. I think his downside is a 10-12 4-5 rebound 1.5 block player. Upside is high.

sigh... UK

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I've never been happier to be so wrong.

Dude! You almost committed suicide

I remember all too well.