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soundcrib
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7/5/2004  7:59 AM
i don't get it. if the knicks sign jamal crawford, where is he going to play? will he acutally come off the bench to spell allan houston? i don't think he'd like that.
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7/5/2004  8:08 AM
houston won't last forever, and is n°1 on IT's "to be traded" list.
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7/5/2004  10:49 AM
RealGM.com has a inspiring article about Crawford coming to the Knicks.
Knicks With Best Shot at Obtaining Crawford

According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the Chicago Tribune, and the New York Daily News, the New York Knicks will have the best chance at obtaining coveted Bulls' guard Jamal Crawford. It is obvious that Crawford will not sign for the Mid-Level Exception, since Mavericks guard Marquis Daniels recently signed for that amount of money and Crawford (rightfully so) sees himself as a better player, so it will have to be a sign-and-trade.

Other teams said to be interested in the former Michigan Wolverine include the Miami Heat, Sacramento Kings, and Minnesota Timberwolves, while teams like the Denver Nuggets and Utah Jazz were also interested.

What it comes down to is who will have what Bulls' GM John Paxson is looking for? He is said to be in the market for expiring contracts, unloading bad contracts (namely, Jerome Williams and Eddie Robinson), and acquiring veterans with good work ethic and attitudes to set an example for the younger Bulls. It appears that the Knicks can offer the best package to fill all the Bulls' needs.

The Knicks could offer a package of the following: Kurt Thomas (hardworking vet with reasonable contract), Cezary Trybanski (expiring contract), Othella Harrington (expiring contract), Nazr Mohammed (cheap vet with good work ethic) and Dikembe Mutumbo (expiring contract). A possible (and most probable) package of Thomas, Trybanski, Mutumbo and Harrington (salary total of $15.3 million for the 04-05 season) for Jerome Williams (the Bulls worst contract) and a re-signed Jamal Crawford with the first year salary starting between $7.5 and $9 million would probably net the combo guard.

While the deal appears to leave the Knicks with holes at various positions, they would actually still be quite deep. The Knicks would still have two capable players at each frontcourt position: PG (Marbury and Williams), SG (Houston and Crawford), and SF (TThomas and Penny). The move would also extend more time to Mike Sweetney at PF. If the Knicks pulled a such a deal off, they would still have the mid-level exception to sign a player like Etan Thomas, or to split on players like Mike Doleac, Marcus Fizer, and Chris Mihm.

Surprisingly, the Knicks' performance in the upcoming summer league might give Knicks' GM Isiah Thomas the final reason to make the trade. If Mike Sweetney is looking like he can handle the power forward position this year and undrafted sleeper Ales Chan, a 7'2" center from Seton Hill, shows enough talent to be an NBA reserve, Isiah will probably be compelled to give up all his expiring contracts and Thomas to obtain Jamal Crawford. It should be an interesting July.

I agree with everything the guy wrote....it's as if the dude is copying and pasting stuff off this board.

Well....
Crawford on the Knicks will just be awesome. You can't keep Crawford off the floor too long. He can play point and shooting guard. He'll definately get alot of burn down the stretch of games cuz of his athleticism on defense.

The guy brought up a point about trading for Crawford....the Knicks could sign my boy Etan Thomas to replace the bums we had up front.

I like this Crawford trade but only if it goes like the rumor says....JYD and Crawford for Mutombo, KT, Cezary and Othella.
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7/5/2004  11:27 AM
Posted by soundcrib:

i don't get it. if the knicks sign jamal crawford, where is he going to play? will he acutally come off the bench to spell allan houston? i don't think he'd like that.

Yeah, I agree here. Marbury, FWill, Houston, Anderson, Penny. One or more of those guys whould have to leave before I would want to sign Crawford.
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7/5/2004  12:33 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

RealGM.com has a inspiring article about Crawford coming to the Knicks.
Knicks With Best Shot at Obtaining Crawford

According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the Chicago Tribune, and the New York Daily News, the New York Knicks will have the best chance at obtaining coveted Bulls' guard Jamal Crawford. It is obvious that Crawford will not sign for the Mid-Level Exception, since Mavericks guard Marquis Daniels recently signed for that amount of money and Crawford (rightfully so) sees himself as a better player, so it will have to be a sign-and-trade.

Other teams said to be interested in the former Michigan Wolverine include the Miami Heat, Sacramento Kings, and Minnesota Timberwolves, while teams like the Denver Nuggets and Utah Jazz were also interested.

What it comes down to is who will have what Bulls' GM John Paxson is looking for? He is said to be in the market for expiring contracts, unloading bad contracts (namely, Jerome Williams and Eddie Robinson), and acquiring veterans with good work ethic and attitudes to set an example for the younger Bulls. It appears that the Knicks can offer the best package to fill all the Bulls' needs.

The Knicks could offer a package of the following: Kurt Thomas (hardworking vet with reasonable contract), Cezary Trybanski (expiring contract), Othella Harrington (expiring contract), Nazr Mohammed (cheap vet with good work ethic) and Dikembe Mutumbo (expiring contract). A possible (and most probable) package of Thomas, Trybanski, Mutumbo and Harrington (salary total of $15.3 million for the 04-05 season) for Jerome Williams (the Bulls worst contract) and a re-signed Jamal Crawford with the first year salary starting between $7.5 and $9 million would probably net the combo guard.

While the deal appears to leave the Knicks with holes at various positions, they would actually still be quite deep. The Knicks would still have two capable players at each frontcourt position: PG (Marbury and Williams), SG (Houston and Crawford), and SF (TThomas and Penny). The move would also extend more time to Mike Sweetney at PF. If the Knicks pulled a such a deal off, they would still have the mid-level exception to sign a player like Etan Thomas, or to split on players like Mike Doleac, Marcus Fizer, and Chris Mihm.

Surprisingly, the Knicks' performance in the upcoming summer league might give Knicks' GM Isiah Thomas the final reason to make the trade. If Mike Sweetney is looking like he can handle the power forward position this year and undrafted sleeper Ales Chan, a 7'2" center from Seton Hill, shows enough talent to be an NBA reserve, Isiah will probably be compelled to give up all his expiring contracts and Thomas to obtain Jamal Crawford. It should be an interesting July.

I agree with everything the guy wrote....it's as if the dude is copying and pasting stuff off this board.

Well....
Crawford on the Knicks will just be awesome. You can't keep Crawford off the floor too long. He can play point and shooting guard. He'll definately get alot of burn down the stretch of games cuz of his athleticism on defense.

The guy brought up a point about trading for Crawford....the Knicks could sign my boy Etan Thomas to replace the bums we had up front.

I like this Crawford trade but only if it goes like the rumor says....JYD and Crawford for Mutombo, KT, Cezary and Othella.

I would do this trade, but ideally, I try to fit Shandon in there somewhere, unless we are going to try to waive him....Tht is too may frontcourt players given up when we are getting a guard back....IF the trade is done the way this guy suggests, We better have Dampier, Rasheed or Adonal Foyle locked up....
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7/5/2004  1:26 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by EnySpree:

RealGM.com has a inspiring article about Crawford coming to the Knicks.
Knicks With Best Shot at Obtaining Crawford

According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the Chicago Tribune, and the New York Daily News, the New York Knicks will have the best chance at obtaining coveted Bulls' guard Jamal Crawford. It is obvious that Crawford will not sign for the Mid-Level Exception, since Mavericks guard Marquis Daniels recently signed for that amount of money and Crawford (rightfully so) sees himself as a better player, so it will have to be a sign-and-trade.

Other teams said to be interested in the former Michigan Wolverine include the Miami Heat, Sacramento Kings, and Minnesota Timberwolves, while teams like the Denver Nuggets and Utah Jazz were also interested.

What it comes down to is who will have what Bulls' GM John Paxson is looking for? He is said to be in the market for expiring contracts, unloading bad contracts (namely, Jerome Williams and Eddie Robinson), and acquiring veterans with good work ethic and attitudes to set an example for the younger Bulls. It appears that the Knicks can offer the best package to fill all the Bulls' needs.

The Knicks could offer a package of the following: Kurt Thomas (hardworking vet with reasonable contract), Cezary Trybanski (expiring contract), Othella Harrington (expiring contract), Nazr Mohammed (cheap vet with good work ethic) and Dikembe Mutumbo (expiring contract). A possible (and most probable) package of Thomas, Trybanski, Mutumbo and Harrington (salary total of $15.3 million for the 04-05 season) for Jerome Williams (the Bulls worst contract) and a re-signed Jamal Crawford with the first year salary starting between $7.5 and $9 million would probably net the combo guard.

While the deal appears to leave the Knicks with holes at various positions, they would actually still be quite deep. The Knicks would still have two capable players at each frontcourt position: PG (Marbury and Williams), SG (Houston and Crawford), and SF (TThomas and Penny). The move would also extend more time to Mike Sweetney at PF. If the Knicks pulled a such a deal off, they would still have the mid-level exception to sign a player like Etan Thomas, or to split on players like Mike Doleac, Marcus Fizer, and Chris Mihm.

Surprisingly, the Knicks' performance in the upcoming summer league might give Knicks' GM Isiah Thomas the final reason to make the trade. If Mike Sweetney is looking like he can handle the power forward position this year and undrafted sleeper Ales Chan, a 7'2" center from Seton Hill, shows enough talent to be an NBA reserve, Isiah will probably be compelled to give up all his expiring contracts and Thomas to obtain Jamal Crawford. It should be an interesting July.

I agree with everything the guy wrote....it's as if the dude is copying and pasting stuff off this board.

Well....
Crawford on the Knicks will just be awesome. You can't keep Crawford off the floor too long. He can play point and shooting guard. He'll definately get alot of burn down the stretch of games cuz of his athleticism on defense.

The guy brought up a point about trading for Crawford....the Knicks could sign my boy Etan Thomas to replace the bums we had up front.

I like this Crawford trade but only if it goes like the rumor says....JYD and Crawford for Mutombo, KT, Cezary and Othella.

I would do this trade, but ideally, I try to fit Shandon in there somewhere, unless we are going to try to waive him....Tht is too may frontcourt players given up when we are getting a guard back....IF the trade is done the way this guy suggests, We better have Dampier, Rasheed or Adonal Foyle locked up....

we'd be getting 1-2 pf from the midlevel so theres no problem with that, its not like trybanski and othella get worthy playing time ne way
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7/5/2004  5:47 PM
I wouldn't include Nazr in the deal with KT. One or the other. Jamal isn't worth both.
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7/5/2004  9:59 PM
the bulls as of now, have a 17 player roster. unless i'm missing something, there's no way they do a trade of more than 2 players going to there team w/out losing at least 2.
IF this gets done the way this article says, it will put them at 19. i do think it will happen but not w/all these players involved. nor do the numbers match, even if crawford ends up getting 7-8mil.
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7/5/2004  10:33 PM
Posted by raven:

houston won't last forever, and is n°1 on IT's "to be traded" list.
What does "n°1" mean? ("Not"? or "Number 1"?)
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7/5/2004  10:43 PM
sounds like too many players, and giving up any flexibility in the next two years, while taking on more salary than needed.

Im not sure I even like giving up big for a small (reserve). Is jamal all of a sudden a great player? So what he had a 50pt game, and had bloated stats a a bad team.
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7/5/2004  10:54 PM
Posted by Nalod:

sounds like too many players, and giving up any flexibility in the next two years, while taking on more salary than needed.

Im not sure I even like giving up big for a small (reserve). Is jamal all of a sudden a great player? So what he had a 50pt game, and had bloated stats a a bad team.
He's a good player with the potential to be a special star. He's not a reserve. I'd gladly start him over Houston too. Once you consider how much ability he's shown at such a young age, he becomes better than getting a mid lottery pick would have been

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/05/2004 22:55:12]
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7/5/2004  11:31 PM
Im mixed. I dont' want to over pay.

In some camps, he is an uncoachable head case.
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7/6/2004  1:47 AM
Given the Knicks' less than overwhelming talent base, and their present level of development (barely a playoff team), I am more concerned with acquiring quality assets than I am about being overstocked at any particular position, as long as the salary cap problems aren't going to be made worse any further into the future
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7/6/2004  9:15 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Im mixed. I dont' want to over pay.

In some camps, he is an uncoachable head case.
Neither do I; but I'd consider anything unde $8 mil per year reasonable. And if he got more than that in a sign and trade, I wouldn't complain since the Knicks aren't trying to get under the cap anyway
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7/6/2004  9:42 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by raven:

houston won't last forever, and is n°1 on IT's "to be traded" list.
What does "n°1" mean? ("Not"? or "Number 1"?)

Yes, number one. Don't you guys for the US use that ? n°1 for number one ?
Weird.

[Edited by - raven on 07/06/2004 09:42:48]
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7/6/2004  9:47 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Im mixed. I dont' want to over pay.

In some camps, he is an uncoachable head case.

Maybe but chicago was a bad young team with a fuc..d organization. I mean, this guy was drafted, then forced to play the triangle (which most of players hate), and then the bulls thanks him by drafting jay williams.

wow. They had cartright as a coach, and it took this guy 90% of the season to understand that craw and willimas could play together. When they did, it did wonders.

This league is full of stories of headcases on bad teams that change from one day to another to be good and reliable players. Bad environment can be a bad influence. Don't forget those guys are very young and at the same time already paid millions.

I'm sure a guy like thomas, and a few vet would bring him to earth. Why ? cause of respect. Players respect thomas, guys like aguirre, even marbury. This was not the case in that bull's team, where the future is always rotten by jordan's shadow.
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