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5/15/2015  8:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/15/2015  8:51 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/source-phil-jackson-not-happy-isiah-thomas-return-article-1.2223989

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James Dolan’s decision to bring Isiah Thomas back to Madison Square Garden does not sit well with Dolan’s highest paid basketball executive: Phil Jackson.

Jackson, according to a team source, has expressed concern over Thomas’ presence at the Garden, further fueling speculation over Jackson’s future with the Knicks and whether Thomas could be in line to eventually replace Jackson as Knicks president.

“He’s not happy about it but what can he do about it,” said one Garden official, who requested anonymity. “This is just the start of it.”

RELATED: WATCH OUT PHIL JACKSON, ISIAH THOMAS IS BACK!

The New York Liberty open training camp on Sunday at the team’s training facility in Westchester that they share with the Knicks and Rangers. Thomas, who last week was appointed president and given a small ownership stake in the team, is expected to be in attendance.

The WNBA Board of Governors has yet to approve Thomas’ ownership and a person familiar with the process believes it will be rejected. It will be interesting to see how Dolan will respond if the Board of Governors rejects his attempt to make Thomas a minority owner. However, Thomas will likely remain as team president, a title that has caused uproar among fans, WNBA coaches and women’s advocate groups in the wake of Thomas’ role in a high profile sexual harassment case in 2007.

“This is a decision, at least to me, comes out of left field,” Connecticut Sun coach Anne Donovan, a former Liberty assistant, told the Hartford Courant. “Bring him back to MSG? OK. But how do you pin (Thomas) to the women’s pro team?”

Dolan has made it clear that he values Thomas as a friend and basketball mind and the timing of Thomas’ hiring happens to coincide with the Knicks facing the most important off-season of the last 25 years. Jackson has little experience when it comes to running the draft and free agency and the feeling is that Dolan will again use Thomas as a consultant.

“He’s an excellent judge of talent and I’m confident that he will put all of his energy and experience into making the Liberty a perennially competitive and successful team,” Dolan said in a statement last week.

Thomas has insisted that he will not have a role with the Knicks, yet league executives, who have a history with the Hall of Fame point guard, are convinced that Thomas accepted the job with the Liberty as an entry level position to eventually return to the Knicks.


Jackson, who did not return email messages, is entering the second year of a five-year contract that includes an option after this season. Jackson turns 70 in September and the odds of him lasting until the final year of his contract seem remote.

In Jackson’s first full season as Knicks president, the team finished a franchise worst 17-65. They will have a high draft choice and salary cap space to pursue free agents. The NBA Draft Lottery is Tuesday in Manhattan and it has already been announced that Jackson will not sit on the dais for the ceremony. Instead it will be Knicks general manager Steve Mills.

How much influence, if any, Thomas has this offseason is a mystery. He wasn’t employed by the club in 2010 when then-team president Donnie Walsh was forced to read a prepared statement in which he credited Thomas for helping the Knicks sign free agent Amar’e Stoudemire. Dolan also sent Thomas to Ohio in a last-ditch effort to convince LeBron James to sign with the Knicks.

The Daily News reported last month that Jackson is targeting Detroit free agent forward Greg Monroe but those plans could be altered by Thomas’ presence. Monroe is represented by David Falk, the agent for Michael Jordan who has had a three decade-old feud with Thomas.

When Thomas first joined the Knicks, he traded Falk’s client Keith Van Horn within seven weeks. Falk then warned another client, Dikembe Mutombo, not to be surprised if Thomas traded him.

The NBA Draft could be a defining moment for the Jackson regime. If the Knicks have either the first or second pick, Jackson would be position to draft either Duke’s Jahlil Okafor or Kentucky’s Karl-Anthony Towns. However, if the Knicks finish with the third, fourth or fifth choice there is no telling which way Jackson may go.

There was a report on Friday that Jackson may consider trading down to draft Wisconsin’s Frank Kaminsky. That’s the type of move that Jackson may have to run past Dolan first. Dolan could then ask his advisor, Thomas, for his thoughts.

And that’s precisely what Jackson didn’t sign up for.

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5/15/2015  8:52 PM
Phil might trade down for Kaminsky..hahahahahhahaha..
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5/15/2015  9:31 PM
I don't believe this one bit.

Why would Jackson care? If he dosen't like what is going on, he can just leave. He is going to get his money anyway. He is in a win/win situation

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5/15/2015  9:32 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:I don't believe this one bit.

Why would Jackson care? If he dosen't like what is going on, he can just leave. He is going to get his money anyway. He is in a win/win situation


I agree. Also, it is Isola. Nothing to see here.
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5/15/2015  9:41 PM
holfresh wrote:Phil might trade down for Kaminsky..hahahahahhahaha..

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5/15/2015  9:57 PM
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holfresh wrote:Phil might trade down for Kaminsky..hahahahahhahaha..

Lol report from ultimateknicks.com


Directly from the Briggs report..
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5/16/2015  7:34 AM
if dolan vetos trading back to pick kaminsky, he should just take kaminsky with whatever our pick is.
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5/16/2015  8:00 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:I don't believe this one bit.

Why would Jackson care? If he dosen't like what is going on, he can just leave. He is going to get his money anyway. He is in a win/win situation


What do you mean? If you resign, you don't get the money. If you're fired, you do.
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5/16/2015  8:37 AM
franco12 wrote:if dolan vetos trading back to pick kaminsky, he should just take kaminsky with whatever our pick is.

That is gut wrenching but I wouldn't blame phil at all.

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5/16/2015  9:16 AM
holfresh wrote:Phil might trade down for Kaminsky..hahahahahhahaha..

if the knicks don't get one of the two top picks, then you have to consider trading down. it need not be ruled out. kaminsky is going to be a solid pro no matter what some people think. i'd be very happy if somehow the knicks could draft both winslow and kaminsky if the first two picks are not there.

what's your back-up plan if the first two picks are not available and why?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/16/2015  9:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/16/2015  9:56 AM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil might trade down for Kaminsky..hahahahahhahaha..

if the knicks don't get one of the two top picks, then you have to consider trading down. it need not be ruled out. kaminsky is going to be a solid pro no matter what some people think. i'd be very happy if somehow the knicks could draft both winslow and kaminsky if the first two picks are not there.

what's your back-up plan if the first two picks are not available and why?

The big laugh was due to the story..I think the writer got it off this board..But I won't sign Kaminsky..He plays zero defense...ZERO...He gets pushed around by college kids in the post...What's going to happen at this level...He is no different from Bargs..Only healthier and younger..

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5/16/2015  10:57 AM
I dont believe its a stretch to believe that Phil isnt happy about Isiah coming back to MSG. He has been like the typhoid Mary of the business world since retiring. The other stuff I dont know what he's thinking.
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5/16/2015  11:11 AM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil might trade down for Kaminsky..hahahahahhahaha..

if the knicks don't get one of the two top picks, then you have to consider trading down. it need not be ruled out. kaminsky is going to be a solid pro no matter what some people think. i'd be very happy if somehow the knicks could draft both winslow and kaminsky if the first two picks are not there.

what's your back-up plan if the first two picks are not available and why?

The big laugh was due to the story..I think the writer got it off this board..But I won't sign Kaminsky..He plays zero defense...ZERO...He gets pushed around by college kids in the post...What's going to happen at this level...He is no different from Bargs..Only healthier and younger..

so isola is fishing for uk posts to rumor monger. that's ridiculous.

we need defenders in the worst possible way, but if the first two picks are not available, especially towns, then what's your back-up plan?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/16/2015  12:15 PM
holfresh wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/source-phil-jackson-not-happy-isiah-thomas-return-article-1.2223989

It's the Daily News, so...

James Dolan’s decision to bring Isiah Thomas back to Madison Square Garden does not sit well with Dolan’s highest paid basketball executive: Phil Jackson.

Jackson, according to a team source, has expressed concern over Thomas’ presence at the Garden, further fueling speculation over Jackson’s future with the Knicks and whether Thomas could be in line to eventually replace Jackson as Knicks president.

“He’s not happy about it but what can he do about it,” said one Garden official, who requested anonymity. “This is just the start of it.”

RELATED: WATCH OUT PHIL JACKSON, ISIAH THOMAS IS BACK!

The New York Liberty open training camp on Sunday at the team’s training facility in Westchester that they share with the Knicks and Rangers. Thomas, who last week was appointed president and given a small ownership stake in the team, is expected to be in attendance.

The WNBA Board of Governors has yet to approve Thomas’ ownership and a person familiar with the process believes it will be rejected. It will be interesting to see how Dolan will respond if the Board of Governors rejects his attempt to make Thomas a minority owner. However, Thomas will likely remain as team president, a title that has caused uproar among fans, WNBA coaches and women’s advocate groups in the wake of Thomas’ role in a high profile sexual harassment case in 2007.

“This is a decision, at least to me, comes out of left field,” Connecticut Sun coach Anne Donovan, a former Liberty assistant, told the Hartford Courant. “Bring him back to MSG? OK. But how do you pin (Thomas) to the women’s pro team?”

Dolan has made it clear that he values Thomas as a friend and basketball mind and the timing of Thomas’ hiring happens to coincide with the Knicks facing the most important off-season of the last 25 years. Jackson has little experience when it comes to running the draft and free agency and the feeling is that Dolan will again use Thomas as a consultant.

“He’s an excellent judge of talent and I’m confident that he will put all of his energy and experience into making the Liberty a perennially competitive and successful team,” Dolan said in a statement last week.

Thomas has insisted that he will not have a role with the Knicks, yet league executives, who have a history with the Hall of Fame point guard, are convinced that Thomas accepted the job with the Liberty as an entry level position to eventually return to the Knicks.


Jackson, who did not return email messages, is entering the second year of a five-year contract that includes an option after this season. Jackson turns 70 in September and the odds of him lasting until the final year of his contract seem remote.

In Jackson’s first full season as Knicks president, the team finished a franchise worst 17-65. They will have a high draft choice and salary cap space to pursue free agents. The NBA Draft Lottery is Tuesday in Manhattan and it has already been announced that Jackson will not sit on the dais for the ceremony. Instead it will be Knicks general manager Steve Mills.

How much influence, if any, Thomas has this offseason is a mystery. He wasn’t employed by the club in 2010 when then-team president Donnie Walsh was forced to read a prepared statement in which he credited Thomas for helping the Knicks sign free agent Amar’e Stoudemire. Dolan also sent Thomas to Ohio in a last-ditch effort to convince LeBron James to sign with the Knicks.

The Daily News reported last month that Jackson is targeting Detroit free agent forward Greg Monroe but those plans could be altered by Thomas’ presence. Monroe is represented by David Falk, the agent for Michael Jordan who has had a three decade-old feud with Thomas.

When Thomas first joined the Knicks, he traded Falk’s client Keith Van Horn within seven weeks. Falk then warned another client, Dikembe Mutombo, not to be surprised if Thomas traded him.

The NBA Draft could be a defining moment for the Jackson regime. If the Knicks have either the first or second pick, Jackson would be position to draft either Duke’s Jahlil Okafor or Kentucky’s Karl-Anthony Towns. However, if the Knicks finish with the third, fourth or fifth choice there is no telling which way Jackson may go.

There was a report on Friday that Jackson may consider trading down to draft Wisconsin’s Frank Kaminsky. That’s the type of move that Jackson may have to run past Dolan first. Dolan could then ask his advisor, Thomas, for his thoughts.

And that’s precisely what Jackson didn’t sign up for.


For those on here that don't realize that this is New York's sports teams worst enemy in Frank Asshola writing this story and believe anything that piece of crap writes then i feel sorry for you. He's the worst of the worst and all he's doing is trying to stir up trouble like he's always done with New York teams and i don't believe it for a minute.
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5/16/2015  12:21 PM
franco12 wrote:if dolan vetos trading back to pick kaminsky, he should just take kaminsky with whatever our pick is.

What are you talking about?? Dolan has absolutely nothing to do with this draft and who Phil decides to pick.

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5/16/2015  12:30 PM
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holfresh wrote:Phil might trade down for Kaminsky..hahahahahhahaha..

if the knicks don't get one of the two top picks, then you have to consider trading down. it need not be ruled out. kaminsky is going to be a solid pro no matter what some people think. i'd be very happy if somehow the knicks could draft both winslow and kaminsky if the first two picks are not there.

what's your back-up plan if the first two picks are not available and why?

Russell, Mudiay, Hezonja... because they're going to be great, too. Plenty of talent in the top 5.

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franco12 wrote:if dolan vetos trading back to pick kaminsky, he should just take kaminsky with whatever our pick is.

What are you talking about?? Dolan has absolutely nothing to do with this draft and who Phil decides to pick.


People are crazy if they think Dolan paid Phil all that money so he could come in and take over the draft from Phil. How would Dolan even know what a good draft pick was? He doesn't know. I think this is one of the worst hack jobs that Isola has done. He's constantly trying to screw he Knicks. Dolan sucks and I hate the Isiah deal but none of that means Dolan is ready to mess up what Phil and his staff have been working on all these months.
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5/16/2015  12:32 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil might trade down for Kaminsky..hahahahahhahaha..

if the knicks don't get one of the two top picks, then you have to consider trading down. it need not be ruled out. kaminsky is going to be a solid pro no matter what some people think. i'd be very happy if somehow the knicks could draft both winslow and kaminsky if the first two picks are not there.

what's your back-up plan if the first two picks are not available and why?

It's easy for me. I'd take K.Porzingis cause the kid is gonna be a great player in the NBA. He can do it all to with scoring, he can hit the 3, he gets steals, he gets blocks and he plays defense. I'd be happy with D.Russell as well and i'd have no problem with a trade down but i'd be nervous about Phil getting the best deal he can cause he doesn't have experience in the negotiating of trades which he has proven this year with the trades he made but if we could trade down and get Kaminsky and another 1st round pick either this year or next when we don't have any picks then i'd be cool with that. But my guy is Porzingis and i probably wouldn't even mind drafting him over anyone but Towns, even OK4.

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5/16/2015  12:33 PM
Phil is right to be upset about having to see the Snake's face roaming around the halls of MSG and their offices. It would suck to just be near that asshat.

I wish I had $10 billion and could overpay to "save" the team from Dolan.

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5/16/2015  12:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/16/2015  12:39 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil might trade down for Kaminsky..hahahahahhahaha..

if the knicks don't get one of the two top picks, then you have to consider trading down. it need not be ruled out. kaminsky is going to be a solid pro no matter what some people think. i'd be very happy if somehow the knicks could draft both winslow and kaminsky if the first two picks are not there.

what's your back-up plan if the first two picks are not available and why?

The big laugh was due to the story..I think the writer got it off this board..But I won't sign Kaminsky..He plays zero defense...ZERO...He gets pushed around by college kids in the post...What's going to happen at this level...He is no different from Bargs..Only healthier and younger..

so isola is fishing for uk posts to rumor monger. that's ridiculous.

we need defenders in the worst possible way, but if the first two picks are not available, especially towns, then what's your back-up plan?

The next best player available..Russell,Winslow, Mudwhoever..So we need defenders in the worst possible way and you are touting Kaminsky to fill the void?

Knicks president Phil Jackson 'not happy' about Isiah Thomas' return to the Garden

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