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despite LBJ stealth play of Cavs Shumpert & JR Smith proves they quit for 2yrs. on Knicks organzation
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DJMUSIC
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5/14/2015  9:22 PM
No one can't convince me JR Smith and Shumpert didn't quit on knickerbockers during Dfish first year
KNICKERBOCKERS coach as well as last season 2013-2014.

This is utmost true when many games Carmelo was out injured and during this season #7 being shutdown.
Neither player stepped up their opportunities.

I wont buy any notion that both ex knickerbockers are better due to LBJ and Kyrie being teammates.
Maybe that counts 15-25% however they both was quitters here is reason why both slugs were traded

Fact
Both caused coach Mike Woodson his job at the end

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5/14/2015  9:31 PM
Wrong. Shumpert dealt with injuries to his legs and, as a result, his game suffered.

Lebron makes others better. Here endeth the lesson.

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5/14/2015  9:46 PM
LBJ is covering all their flaws that's what great ones do. Just as Kidd did.
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5/14/2015  9:49 PM
Vmart wrote:LBJ is covering all their flaws that's what great ones do. Just as Kidd did.

he does not really cover their flaws, he makes them better and makes them believe that they are better.

you know that he will find you and he is not just chucking up shots while you stand around and watch.

stars enable middle tier players.

if the star is selfish then those middle tier players will look like scrubs.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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5/14/2015  9:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2015  9:55 PM
Exactly

stars enable middle tier players. yes mr reinman.

Vmart wrote:LBJ is covering all their flaws that's what great ones do. Just as Kidd did.

Lebron's basketball intellect is on another level. Watch and enjoy.

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5/14/2015  10:05 PM
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:LBJ is covering all their flaws that's what great ones do. Just as Kidd did.

he does not really cover their flaws, he makes them better and makes them believe that they are better.

you know that he will find you and he is not just chucking up shots while you stand around and watch.

stars enable middle tier players.

if the star is selfish then those middle tier players will look like scrubs.


I said something similar once before... I think James would be more than willing to just play "PG" and rarely look for his shot if the team could win that way.

As for JR, James also commands more respect than Smith game Anthony. Those 2 having played together for a number of years in Denver did not help, IMO.

When Woodson's ISO-ball was at its worst, you got the feeling that certain players felt they had to work for a shot when they got the ball, because otherwise they wouldn't get a chance to score.

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5/14/2015  10:11 PM
misterearl wrote:Wrong. Shumpert dealt with injuries to his legs and, as a result, his game suffered.

Lebron makes others better. Here endeth the lesson.

You miss my point fully
Sure stars elevate others yeah yeh, blah ...i get that and agree,o
Lbj is another level superstar, and no one even Carmelo who isn't as unselfish as lbj , James a league of his sole own

Times and times again against weakest foes when Carmelo was down injured out last yr and the current yr,
When either Smith or Shumpert was on court healthy with no Carmelo neither took lead when Ny played other weak NBA teams

These guys died , their game was horrid and neither wanted no role to step up.
Yep Shumpert had tuff injuries and I am a fan of Iman.

But do not make injuries excuses for these knicks,


They both quit when superstar #7 was out and team needed help to beat weak east,
Never happened .. so don't spurt the spiel regarding glory on both ex knickerbockers

As if NH shouldn't traded then or get back max value
Both spun their butts out of Ny and now they playing great and world thinks the very best ..
For Smith and Shumpert.

They'd both quit and true knick fans see this

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5/14/2015  10:23 PM
Basketball is a team sport.
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5/14/2015  10:25 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:LBJ is covering all their flaws that's what great ones do. Just as Kidd did.

he does not really cover their flaws, he makes them better and makes them believe that they are better.

you know that he will find you and he is not just chucking up shots while you stand around and watch.

stars enable middle tier players.

if the star is selfish then those middle tier players will look like scrubs.


I said something similar once before... I think James would be more than willing to just play "PG" and rarely look for his shot if the team could win that way.

As for JR, James also commands more respect than Smith game Anthony. Those 2 having played together for a number of years in Denver did not help, IMO.

When Woodson's ISO-ball was at its worst, you got the feeling that certain players felt they had to work for a shot when they got the ball, because otherwise they wouldn't get a chance to score.

I agree with this. JR and Melo grew up together. I think it helps when you know you are not one of the top 3-5 players on your team. Both Shump and JR are on a team with a lot f talent and depth. They are fitting in in roles they can be successful in.
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5/14/2015  10:31 PM
2 yrs ago, JR was our second best player, and carried us for stretches when Melo was hurt....
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5/14/2015  11:22 PM
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:LBJ is covering all their flaws that's what great ones do. Just as Kidd did.

he does not really cover their flaws, he makes them better and makes them believe that they are better.

you know that he will find you and he is not just chucking up shots while you stand around and watch.

stars enable middle tier players.

if the star is selfish then those middle tier players will look like scrubs.

Yep yep yep. Bingo.

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5/15/2015  6:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/15/2015  6:45 AM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:LBJ is covering all their flaws that's what great ones do. Just as Kidd did.

he does not really cover their flaws, he makes them better and makes them believe that they are better.

you know that he will find you and he is not just chucking up shots while you stand around and watch.

stars enable middle tier players.

if the star is selfish then those middle tier players will look like scrubs.

Yep yep yep. Bingo.

The above quote should be read and re-read every day

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5/15/2015  7:02 AM
misterearl wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:LBJ is covering all their flaws that's what great ones do. Just as Kidd did.

he does not really cover their flaws, he makes them better and makes them believe that they are better.

you know that he will find you and he is not just chucking up shots while you stand around and watch.

stars enable middle tier players.

if the star is selfish then those middle tier players will look like scrubs.

Yep yep yep. Bingo.

The above quote should be read and re-read every day

Why?
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5/15/2015  7:22 AM
In regards to LBJ finding Shump, Shump took significantly less shots when he was on the floor for the Cavs in the regular season than he did for the Knicks. He has had a great series but he also has played for four seasons in the nba and is a shooting guard that for his career has shot under 40%.
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5/15/2015  8:33 AM
JR definitely quite. And he cost us value. He is a slacker.

When you step out on the floor with what is one of the greatest players in the league today, I think that gives you confidence.

Basketball is the one sport where having the top player makes 4 scrubs look awesome. That can't happen in any other team sport.

And its why we should not trade back in this draft - we take BPA regardless if they have the same flaws/strengths as anyone on the roster (melo).

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5/15/2015  8:50 AM
I ain't gonna lie I miss Ariza more than Shump and JR. JR isn't professional we found that out he lets the team down when they need him the most. Shump is still a chump to me Phil gave him ample opportunity to take his game to the next level he couldn't do it. These are what you call role players. Right now LBJ has them in check and don't think the trade didn't get these two in line also. A little fear crept in and you have what you see today decent role players that are falling in line.
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5/15/2015  9:07 AM
As for the Cavaliers, James already has established himself as acting head coach. If he is the acting general manager, too, he should push to re-sign Shumpert. “He’s brought grit, toughness, the defensive-mindset," James said before the game. “In a sport full of a lot of egos, to be able to have teammates and guys like Shumpert who just care about team success, it means a lot to the locker room, and we’re very thankful to have him."

I miss Zach Randolph and Timofey Mozgov

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5/15/2015  9:15 AM
franco12 wrote:JR definitely quite. And he cost us value. He is a slacker.

When you step out on the floor with what is one of the greatest players in the league today, I think that gives you confidence.

Basketball is the one sport where having the top player makes 4 scrubs look awesome. That can't happen in any other team sport.

And its why we should not trade back in this draft - we take BPA regardless if they have the same flaws/strengths as anyone on the roster (melo).

how on earth do you come to this conclusion. if the bpa doesn't make others around him better-- which was your point-- then why simply add flaws to flaws? what you want, short of a lebron level, is a player who neutralizes the flaws of the main guy.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/15/2015  9:26 AM
Vmart wrote:I ain't gonna lie I miss Ariza more than Shump and JR. JR isn't professional we found that out he lets the team down when they need him the most. Shump is still a chump to me Phil gave him ample opportunity to take his game to the next level he couldn't do it. These are what you call role players. Right now LBJ has them in check and don't think the trade didn't get these two in line also. A little fear crept in and you have what you see today decent role players that are falling in line.

This is a good point. We are seeing them play after this trade which their value at career lows. And now they are with a future Hall of Famer on a playoff team, you can't screw up this opportunity.

Like JR said via Instagram, one man's trash is another man's treasure. +1 to them being role players finally with the appropriate roles. You don't cast Kevin Hart to play Othello.

Also JR has now quit partying so much now. I don't if it was he quit on the Knicks so much as nobody was having fun and he lost focus. Maybe that is another way to say he quit though... hard to get inside another person's head.

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5/15/2015  9:40 AM
CrushAlot wrote:In regards to LBJ finding Shump, Shump took significantly less shots when he was on the floor for the Cavs in the regular season than he did for the Knicks. He has had a great series but he also has played for four seasons in the nba and is a shooting guard that for his career has shot under 40%.


But shump has an impact in other ways that don't show up in the box scores. There's no way in hell you can justify that trade, worse off we made another eastern conference team much better. It was a lame desperate trade that made zero sense.

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