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Knicks should sign Craft and Benimon to 3 year minimum non guaranteed deals(like the Spurs do)
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BRIGGS
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5/14/2015  8:04 AM
and Thabeet to our SL with the thought of a non guaranteed 1 year contract and camp invite.

and then concentrate on our draft pick(s) and perhaps additional 2nd round UDFA SG--if we do pick someone in rd 2 we could keep them in Westchester for a year.

We have a ton of roster spots


Need to take advantage of Westchester and a solid pipeline


For example in

Kaminsky Towns or Okafor
Benimon 4 man
Craft pg
Thabeet c
Thansis sf


UDFA guard to Westchester
UDFA guard to westchester

Carmelo
Hardaway
Aldrich
Shcveyd
Early
Galloway

2-3 spots for major free agents

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5/14/2015  8:24 AM
with all the talk of this being a deep draft, there are bound to be a lot of solid NBA players who end up undrafted.

I just hope our FO is ready to pounce after the 2nd round is over.

Here is one instance where our bad record, open slots and Phil Jackson the man with 11 rings should tip a decision in our favor.

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5/14/2015  11:14 AM
franco12 wrote:with all the talk of this being a deep draft, there are bound to be a lot of solid NBA players who end up undrafted.

I just hope our FO is ready to pounce after the 2nd round is over.

Here is one instance where our bad record, open slots and Phil Jackson the man with 11 rings should tip a decision in our favor.

We need up to 6 minimum slots to garner as much $ as possible for free agency. To me you find 2-3 premium top of the line D leaguers and 2-3 drafts picks with our own guys coming back. That way you build a core of guys who can all come and stay together. Its impossible to go from bottom to the top drawer in one year

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5/14/2015  11:26 AM
sure why not?!?! ive never been a big fan of craft and his overhyped self. yes he plays nice man to man defense...thats about it in my opinion.

in general - im not expecting or hoping for much out of D Leaguers and 2nd rd draft picks. theres a reason why theyre D Leaguers and second rd draft picks. sure id invite them to summer camp and give them a chance. why not? but im not expecting much

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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5/14/2015  12:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2015  12:25 PM
callmened wrote:sure why not?!?! ive never been a big fan of craft and his overhyped self. yes he plays nice man to man defense...thats about it in my opinion.

in general - im not expecting or hoping for much out of D Leaguers and 2nd rd draft picks. theres a reason why theyre D Leaguers and second rd draft picks. sure id invite them to summer camp and give them a chance. why not? but im not expecting much

The beauty of the d league and 2nd round or UDFA are--you have nothing to lose. We have a limit of cap space and 1st round picks--so the logical avenue is to look at the best D lague players and pick out the best 2nd rounders and UDFA get them on your SL team and see how they do--see if they deserve a chance to go to Westchester or even New York--the cost=nothing. We need players at minimum salary atleast 4 or 5 of them.

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5/14/2015  1:53 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
callmened wrote:sure why not?!?! ive never been a big fan of craft and his overhyped self. yes he plays nice man to man defense...thats about it in my opinion.

in general - im not expecting or hoping for much out of D Leaguers and 2nd rd draft picks. theres a reason why theyre D Leaguers and second rd draft picks. sure id invite them to summer camp and give them a chance. why not? but im not expecting much

The beauty of the d league and 2nd round or UDFA are--you have nothing to lose. We have a limit of cap space and 1st round picks--so the logical avenue is to look at the best D lague players and pick out the best 2nd rounders and UDFA get them on your SL team and see how they do--see if they deserve a chance to go to Westchester or even New York--the cost=nothing. We need players at minimum salary atleast 4 or 5 of them.

You have the player to lose. Yes, I agree though that on our D-League team we can have a look at the players but so can the rest of the league. The NBA really needs to give the teams some sort of 2 year rights to players on their team and of course raise the allowable salaries. With this huge TV deal coming, they could really make the D-League something special, but I'm sure the current players will not go for giving a chunk of that money to the D-League.

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5/14/2015  1:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2015  1:58 PM
Id like to get Kraft--hes a tone setter. In fact I like all 3 of these guys--they all bring something we dont have. This Benimon has a lot of potential. Thabeet is a guy you shove in for 5-6 minutes to give you a block a dunk and some defensive energy with Kraft if you go 11-12 deep.

I think you can win an NBA championship using high quality depth. Its a long season and injuries happen--with a deep roster with different guys who do different things you can keep yourself a player and move through injury without excuse.


I don't think you win championships with a Jason Smith or Admundson types as part of your back end.

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5/14/2015  2:14 PM
Ti me part of building a team is rewarding hard workers who make material differences.

I always think back to Wayne Chrebet--what a worker not the fastest guy--but my god he outworked everyone into being a great player.

Thats what Kraft has done in college and now the D league--hes part of a very smart system in GS that seems to be a few notches ahead of most teams.

I also like that Thabeet has really improved. He has some money he could quit or play overseas for much more $$$ I have jnever seen him play like this. Why do I want to even THINK about throwing 40-50mm at a shtty current NBA C for when I can get by with the same production with Aldrich and Thabeet off my bench? Id love to see Thabeet and Craft on our SL team--we would not lose one game.

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5/14/2015  2:20 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Id like to get Kraft--hes a tone setter. In fact I like all 3 of these guys--they all bring something we dont have. This Benimon has a lot of potential. Thabeet is a guy you shove in for 5-6 minutes to give you a block a dunk and some defensive energy with Kraft if you go 11-12 deep.

I think you can win an NBA championship using high quality depth. Its a long season and injuries happen--with a deep roster with different guys who do different things you can keep yourself a player and move through injury without excuse.


I don't think you win championships with a Jason Smith or Admundson types as part of your back end.


I like Craft too. I'm hopeful that our roster improves to the point where he doesn't make the team. I really don't wan'to see Benimon, Amundson and Lance Thomas on the same team. Let them fight it out for one spot. Same goes go Thabeet and Cole.
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5/14/2015  2:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/15/2015  9:40 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
callmened wrote:sure why not?!?! ive never been a big fan of craft and his overhyped self. yes he plays nice man to man defense...thats about it in my opinion.

in general - im not expecting or hoping for much out of D Leaguers and 2nd rd draft picks. theres a reason why theyre D Leaguers and second rd draft picks. sure id invite them to summer camp and give them a chance. why not? but im not expecting much

The beauty of the d league and 2nd round or UDFA are--you have nothing to lose. We have a limit of cap space and 1st round picks--so the logical avenue is to look at the best D lague players and pick out the best 2nd rounders and UDFA get them on your SL team and see how they do--see if they deserve a chance to go to Westchester or even New York--the cost=nothing. We need players at minimum salary atleast 4 or 5 of them.

Well stated. That's exactly right. That's exactly why you look at these guys -- everything to gain, absolutely nothing to lose.

I've liked Jerrelle Benimon for some time now. He does not belong in the DL, point blank. He deserves an opportunity somewhere in the NBA. Why not here?!? We have nothing in place right now--the whole damn team is in flux!! We couldn't use an extremely versatile 6'8" 245 lb. PF that can do a little of everything and has no big apparent weaknesses to speak of? Of course we could! This guy should 100% be a part of our Vegas SL team. Hopefully preparations to make that happen have been made already. If not, then something's wrong. Should've been called up and been a part of our motley crew NBA team to close out the year in fact. So should a lot of guys out there over what we had...

We can't have max players at every position. We've gotta hit on some of these cost-controlled guys--DL standouts, a 2nd round pick or two we acquire somehow, an opportunistic low-cost signing or two, UDFAs. Those guys have to be part of the rebuild. I agree with that 100%. I mentioned this configuration the other day on the Tristan Thompson thread --- if we can get most of these players, I'd be very happy:

Draft:
Towns 1, Okafor 2, Winslow 3 (I can't help but see the second coming of James Harden here), Kaminsky 4, Mudiay 5 (made it back for the Chinese playoffs and played well).

Frontcourt FA possibilities:
• Alexis Ajinca
• Lavoy Allen
• Thomas Robinson
• Eric Griffin
• Luke Babbitt
• Jerrelle Benimon
• Khem Birch
• Jordan Bachynski (or resign Cole Aldrich)
• Earl Barron

Backcourt FA possibilities:
• Cory Joseph
• Resign Alexey Shved
• Sign Thanasis Antetokounmpo
• Retain Ricky Ledo
• Scotty Hopson
• Kevin Murphy
• Dominique Jones
• Orlando Johnson

Extra bonus moves to keep an eye on and consider if available/feasible:
• Acquire a 2nd rounder somehow--draft PG Joe Young.
• Look into trading for PF Dwight Powell if available. Sign him if Dallas ever cuts him loose.
• Sign JaMychal Green if Memphis cuts him loose.
• Sign Bryce Cotton if Utah cuts him loose.
• Consider signing E'Twaun Moore and/or Cameron Bairstow if Chicago sever ties with either guy.

Again, realistic draft targets 1-5 (and I want the pick -- all of these players, including D'Angelo Russell and several others, should be VERY GOOD NBA players. I don't want to trade the pick -- you can't put a price tag on having a cost-controlled all-star level youngster for the foreseeable future. I'd rather have that in place than trading for some high-priced player or package of players and missing the mark. Take and keep the pick, Phil, even at 5), followed by realistic FA choices (not 1 max FA in the bunch). The most unrealistic idea is signing Cory Joseph I suppose -- he's a RFA that will be difficult to get but we might be able to steal him on an overpay. I might go as high as $10mm/season to get Joseph -- I feel he's young, all-around productive, big enough, not to mention a real PG -- I want a real PG in place should we decide to ever move on from Phil Jackson at some point -- if Phil goes, so does Fisher, all his coaches and the triangle. Should that occur, I would never want to be holding the bag on players that can only function within the triangle concept. Real good players can function in the triangle or any system for that matter--those are the guys I want.. We don't need all of these players--I listed quite a few & some overlap/would be redundant--but this is pretty much my basic pool of talent I feel we should be looking at--these should be the players we fall back on and tell ourselves "we can't/won't do any worse than these players." If we can do better than this, great, but I'd be happy with these enhancements. Trying to keep expectations on the low side and as realistic as possible.

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5/14/2015  3:12 PM
You're right fine. You can play Benimon at the 4-3. You can go big or you can go small off the bench
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Knicks should sign Craft and Benimon to 3 year minimum non guaranteed deals(like the Spurs do)

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