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nyk4ever wrote:what the hell are the pelicans doing? monty led that team to 45wins and the playoffs in a ridiculously difficult western conference and you fire the guy? maybe tom benson really has lost it.

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Something big had to have happened behind the scenes.

smackeddog wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:what the hell are the pelicans doing? monty led that team to 45wins and the playoffs in a ridiculously difficult western conference and you fire the guy? maybe tom benson really has lost it.

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Their owner and fans seem to have a ridiculously inflated opinion of their players- most of the fans seem to think the roster UNDER performed and the owner expected them to make the playoffs. In reality I think the roster is poor and doesn't mesh together great- I think their coach over achieved by getting them to the playoffs despite the roster and injuries on top of that.

Not sure if i completely agree. They have a great core group in Davis, Holiday, Evans, and Anderson which bring a little of everything to the table. This doesn't count Gordon (who is always injured) and Osik. If you took out Davis and replaced him with Melo, we would expect this team to go deep in the eastern conference playoffs and hypothetically make the playoffs in the west as well. How people view this team should be pretty dependent on how good people think Davis is at this point in his career. But for the top 5 or 10 stars in the league, this should be viewed as a very good supporting cast. That being said, i still think Monty did a great job with this team.

Nalod wrote:Fans are stupid and owners get impatient. Have we seen this before?

They have stagnated but also injuries contributed. This is about letting Davis pick his new coach. They need for him to buy so he has one season to love in. If not, they need a season to get a trade for him.
THis is about keeping Anthony Davis in NOLA.

I suppose coach Cal gets mentioned.

they stagnated? they went from 21 to 27 to 34 to 45 wins the last 4 years, all under monty. very poor decision by upper management/ownership. i agree with smackeddog to, the roster does not mesh whatsoever and the teams 2nd best player is always injured. monty did a hell of a job this year.

Jrue Holiday *brings DEFENSE that they do not have with the ability to score, facilitate, and defend at a high level* they gave up Noel and a 1st rounder for Holiday and Noel would have been a great defender/rebounder that would fit in with New Orleans with sidekick Anthony Davis being both very mobile/athletic/great length/ability to defend multiple position on switches

Ryan Anderson

Eric Gordon/Tyreke Evans, Gordon not being the same player that he was the ALL STAR on the Clippers after his injury for many seasons now and Evans which is talent but not a true PG or SF, though filled in much this season and doesn't work vs legit playoff contenders

Asik/Anthony Davis

While they brought in some qualifty players and very good defenders with their 2nd unit with

Norris Cole
Quincy Pondexter
Dante Cunningham

Alex Ajinicia

I have no evidence but it is possible that Williams preffered a trade for Noel, while overpaying for Holiday *because Noel was able to develop to the player he is in the middle to end of the season in just one year after skill/injury concerns and Jrue Holiday hasn't turned out quite as well for them....
If Curry doesn't hit that 3pter in game 3 and New Orleans made this a series, not sure if it would have changed the outcome of his status
I am just not sure if they have someone in place already to target, whether they have sourches on Thibs, interest in Brian Shaw, or a NCAA coach, or just felt it was time to go after someone that would be better for a team that has the best player in the world in terms of building a foundation RIGHT NOW with, in Anthony Davis, and some good pieces around them
Maybe they wanted Ajinicia to play more with AD and Williams like Jackson was unwilling to play Draymond Green and demote Iggy with loyalty to David Lee as well who has been very good EVERY YEAR prior to this season in which GS has the best year and eventually added 2 quality guard in Livingston and Barbosa, in which would have been better than Jack *though can score and defend is quite older than Livingston* and Nate RObinson

Whether you credit Anthony Davis and his Head Coach, Monty Williams, that also coached for TEAM USA this past year, and his coaching staff/development coaches/trainers, and Alex Ajinicia's development
I think he did a great job in terms of the development of Davis or do we give credit to his ceiling and work ethic himself??? As well as Ajinicia whos potential looked to be untapped as it wasn't by other teams/coaching staffs though he gets to learn of AD in practice

He would be a great assistant coach in my opinion and has done a great job in terms of development
New Orleans as always been a very good defensive team, outside of this season partily due to injuries and players not being good at it, for many seasons in the tough Western Conference

Maybe he was just a short term coach before that was great in development while they feel they have the talents/players to take them to next level, similiar to Mark Jackson/Steve Kerr
Though Jackson had a poor relationship with built in frustration for losing players he liked every year and management always wanted to go in a different direction with players such as

Carl Landry, Jarret Jack, Nate Robinson, and a few others

However, Coaches lose their voice after a couple of season of failing, it also tells the players to STEP UP or you will be traded as well as it is easier to fire one players than 15 players
They feel it is time to move on rather than being a Scotty Brooks for OKC, instead of overpaying for coaches such as Dantoni/Larry Brown, when we were going through rebuilding stages, it just didn't make sense or dollars

After acquiring the talent to contend, going after the coach such as Rivers, Phil Jackson *on the Lakers*, etc, that are better X and O coaches and will employ a different philosophy with the talent assembled
Not sure if he ever bumped heads with his mangement do to roster/players and rotations like Mark Jackson

I surely would like to pick him up on this COACHING STAFF as we have been one of the worse teams in terms of development and with a possible BIG like KAT or OK4, it is hard to deny that the former Knick has done or knows the coaches/trainers/development coaches that would do a great job on development of BIGS

Also I have been high on Alex Ajinicia and hope we can get him at a bargain, and there will not be a better opinion on what ceiling Ajinicia could have with the cost we should pay for him in addition to the development of our future, I hope we bring in Rasheed Wallace if we have any talent that has the ability to play in the post and hit the 3pter, possibly defend/rebound/block shots like Rasheed has done for much of his career, along with Billups who could work with our "BIG PG's and Galloway", and mentor leadership along with HIGH IQ playing on and off the ball, when to go facilitating/scoring, how to defend without the speed/quickness or athleticism/size of a Westbrook on multiple position, with multiple versatile talents on the Detroit team

nyk4ever wrote:

Nalod wrote:Fans are stupid and owners get impatient. Have we seen this before?

They have stagnated but also injuries contributed. This is about letting Davis pick his new coach. They need for him to buy so he has one season to love in. If not, they need a season to get a trade for him.
THis is about keeping Anthony Davis in NOLA.

I suppose coach Cal gets mentioned.

they stagnated? they went from 21 to 27 to 34 to 45 wins the last 4 years, all under monty. very poor decision by upper management/ownership. i agree with smackeddog to, the roster does not mesh whatsoever and the teams 2nd best player is always injured. monty did a hell of a job this year.

LIke I said, fans are stupid. Nalod did not fire him. The question was put to "Why". I guess they expected more.
Like I said, its about keeping Davis. I don't think most fans understand and want change so they call for heads and aim to lay blame.

Nalod wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Nalod wrote:Fans are stupid and owners get impatient. Have we seen this before?

They have stagnated but also injuries contributed. This is about letting Davis pick his new coach. They need for him to buy so he has one season to love in. If not, they need a season to get a trade for him.
THis is about keeping Anthony Davis in NOLA.

I suppose coach Cal gets mentioned.

they stagnated? they went from 21 to 27 to 34 to 45 wins the last 4 years, all under monty. very poor decision by upper management/ownership. i agree with smackeddog to, the roster does not mesh whatsoever and the teams 2nd best player is always injured. monty did a hell of a job this year.

LIke I said, fans are stupid. Nalod did not fire him. The question was put to "Why". I guess they expected more.
Like I said, its about keeping Davis. I don't think most fans understand and want change so they call for heads and aim to lay blame.

**** bro, all these years i thought YOU were tom benson

maybe there waa a diff in philosophy. Maybe he hates the 3.