1. Karl Anthony Towns

2. Jahill Okafor

3. Deangelo Russell

4. Frank Kaminsky
5 Emmanuel Mudiay
6 Kristaps Porzingis

7 Justice Winslow

8 Myles Turner

9 Mario Hezonga

10 Willie Trill Stein

11 Kelly Oubre
12 Tyus Jones

13 Bobby Portis

14 Stanley Johnson
15 Jordan Mickey
16 Robert Upshaw

17 Trey Lyles

18 Jarell Martin

19 Devin Booker
20 Montrezl Harrell

21 Kevin Looney

22 Christian Wood

23 Jerian Grant

24 Terry Rozier
25 Rondae Jefferson

26 Justin Andersen

27 Delon Wright

28 Rakeem Christmas

29 Mouhammadou Jaiteh

30 Dakari Johnson

31 Sam Decker
32 R J Hunter

33 J P Tokoto

34 Vince Hunter

35 Rashaud Vaughn

36 Guillermo Hernangomez
37 Mike Frazier

38 Andrew Harrison

39 Joseph Young
40 George De Paula
41 Chris McCullough

42 Marcus Thorton
43 Cliff Alexander

44 Oliver Hanlan

45 Richaun Holmes
46 Dez Wells

47 Allan Williams

48 Ryan Boatright

49 Johanthon Holmes

50 Darrun Hilliard

51 Ravonte Rice

52 Aaron Harrison

53 Corey Hawkins

54 Michael Qualls

55 Larry Nance JR

56 Josh Richardson

57 D J Newbill

58 Terran Petteway

59 Aaron White

60 Treveon Graham

BRIGGS wrote:Not listing needs here just who I think is think is personally the BPA

1. Karl Anthony Towns

2. Jahill Okafor

3. Frank Kaminsky

4. Justice Winslow

5 Mario Hezonga

6 Deangelo Russell

7 Christian Wood

8 Emmanuel Mudiay

9 Jarell Martin

10 Kristaps Porzingis

11 Kelly Oubre
12 Tyus Jones

13 Stanley Johnson

14 Robert Upshaw

15 Bobby Portis

16 Willie Trill Stein

17 Cameron Payne

18 Trey Lyles

19 Devin Booker
20 Montrezl Harrell

21 Myles Turner

22 Rashaud Vaughn

23 Jerian Grant

24 Delon Wright

25 Rondae Jefferson

26 Sam Decker

27 Kevin Looney

28 Jordan Mickey

29 Tyler Harvey

30 Rayvonte Rice

31 Richaun Holmes

32 Joseph Young

33 Michael Qualls

34 Dakari Johnson

35 Oliver Hanlan

36 Dez Wells

37 Terry Rozier

38 Justin Andersen

39 Corey Hawkins

40 Derrick Marks

That is quite a reach for Wood and even Frank Kaminski
Pretty high for Robert Upshaw as well considering there are lot of BIGS in this draft class
I do not see Mudiay dropping past Philly and Lakers, though we do not know the order, those are the only 2 teams outside of the Knick's that need a PG, while many other teams already have one already

With that said, Mudiay does have a John Wall/Tyreke Evans type of ceiling, and does have the physical abilities to be an effective defender as well
His shooting is something that could be learned but he does in fact have a lot of talent/physical abilities that I am starting to warm up to
If Mudiay does drop I would love to acquire him along with a G/F like Henzoja or Winslow
I would still have interest in Shabazz and Tony Wroten, if we can buy low for them in a trade, and resigning Shved to a 2.5m to 3.3m 2year deal for further evaluation while giving him the opporutunity to compete for a starting job, depending on what positions we use for our picks/FA/d league callups/possible trades/undrafted talents...

I would love to acquire 2, with Towns/OK4 going 1st/2nd, of any of these talents if we trade down and/or make trades with future draft picks and/or with the possiblity of trading CA to move up with the assets to do so

Assuming Towns/OK4 are 1st/2nd then the guys below could be determined by team needs/draft order

Mudiay/Russell

Mario Henzoja/Justice Winslow

Kristaps Porzingis/Kaminski

For the 2nd round steals, I would love Dakari Johnson, Terry Rozier, Tyler Harvey, along with Marcus Thorton
For mid/late 1st rounders I think Delon Wright would be a steal as well
I see Trey Lyles as a YOUNG JOE SMITH type of talent/glue role player that played with KG as a solid role talent with good size and verastile skills/mid range game/rebounding/defense

This draft class has a LOT OF BIGS from the top of the draft to the 2nd round and some possible undrafted talents to work on....

BRIGGS wrote:

RonRon wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Not listing needs here just who I think is think is personally the BPA

1. Karl Anthony Towns

2. Jahill Okafor

3. Frank Kaminsky

4. Justice Winslow

5 Mario Hezonga

6 Deangelo Russell

7 Christian Wood

8 Emmanuel Mudiay

9 Jarell Martin

10 Kristaps Porzingis

11 Kelly Oubre
12 Tyus Jones

13 Stanley Johnson

14 Robert Upshaw

15 Bobby Portis

16 Willie Trill Stein

17 Cameron Payne

18 Trey Lyles

19 Devin Booker
20 Montrezl Harrell

21 Myles Turner

22 Rashaud Vaughn

23 Jerian Grant

24 Delon Wright

25 Rondae Jefferson

26 Sam Decker

27 Kevin Looney

28 Jordan Mickey

29 Tyler Harvey

30 Rayvonte Rice

31 Richaun Holmes

32 Joseph Young

33 Michael Qualls

34 Dakari Johnson

35 Oliver Hanlan

36 Dez Wells

37 Terry Rozier

38 Justin Andersen

39 Corey Hawkins

40 Derrick Marks

That is quite a reach for Wood and even Frank Kaminski
Pretty high for Robert Upshaw as well considering there are lot of BIGS in this draft class
I do not see Mudiay dropping past Philly and Lakers, though we do not know the order, those are the only 2 teams outside of the Knick's that need a PG, while many other teams already have one already

With that said, Mudiay does have a John Wall/Tyreke Evans type of ceiling, and does have the physical abilities to be an effective defender as well
His shooting is something that could be learned but he does in fact have a lot of talent/physical abilities that I am starting to warm up to
If Mudiay does drop I would love to acquire him along with a G/F like Henzoja or Winslow
I would still have interest in Shabazz and Tony Wroten, if we can buy low for them in a trade, and resigning Shved to a 2.5m to 3.3m 2year deal for further evaluation while giving him the opporutunity to compete for a starting job, depending on what positions we use for our picks/FA/d league callups/possible trades/undrafted talents...

I would love to acquire 2, with Towns/OK4 going 1st/2nd, of any of these talents if we trade down and/or make trades with future draft picks and/or with the possiblity of trading CA to move up with the assets to do so

Assuming Towns/OK4 are 1st/2nd then the guys below could be determined by team needs/draft order

Mudiay/Russell

Mario Henzoja/Justice Winslow

Kristaps Porzingis/Kaminski

For the 2nd round steals, I would love Dakari Johnson, Terry Rozier, Tyler Harvey, along with Marcus Thorton
For mid/late 1st rounders I think Delon Wright would be a steal as well
I see Trey Lyles as a YOUNG JOE SMITH type of talent/glue role player that played with KG as a solid role talent with good size and verastile skills/mid range game/rebounding/defense

This draft class has a LOT OF BIGS from the top of the draft to the 2nd round and some possible undrafted talents to work on....

Wood has unique characteristics that only he and Porzingis have in rd 1 from the 4 position. Upshaw wont be drafted at 14 because he smokes dope but he is around the 14th best just ahead of Stein. One guy I have gone over several time is Martin from LSU and finally moved him up to what I think might be right. Hes not a shotblocker and hes shorter than Wood and Porzinigis but hes very athletic and agile--and he played on a team where he had to split the interior scoring load---hes close with Lyles but I think Martin is more agile than Lyles. I put on the Portland board Id be all over Martin for their PF if he lasts to 23 and I would try to S+T Aldridge Matthews and Affalo and reboot with Leonard Martin Lillard and McCollum as my core. It is possible they could score very well in S+T and I would target teams like the Knicks and their first round pick by using Aldridge and his fifth year a target bait. I think he can be convinced into taking that 5th year in a S+T if he is willing to go to NY. If Im a team with a RFA or even a UFA if I see the Knicks dont get pick 1 or 2 then I might be very willing to offer a guy like Aldridge or Harris to them for that pick. If I was Paul Allen and his management team I wouldnt even call Phil Jackson--Id talk right to Dolan because Dolan can be convinced into a trade like that without question.

2nd round steals--not really this year too many good guards--a good drafting team should find a good player in rd 2 this year.

smoking Dope and smoking Weed *really isn't as bad as you make it sound, which is legal in many STATES already*
not saying that we should draft POT HEADS, of course any addictive behavior and partying life style could be red flagged however, my point is Alchohol could be much worse and is legal
However, additiction will always stay, it gets transferred to other obssessive behaviors that could be positive such as a workout regime
Chris Anderson has done far worse and is a very good role player for many years off the bench, while he had substance abuse, and turned his addition to the basketball courts/tattoos, while having a solid NBA career despite not being a prospect

If NBA talents smoke weed in the off season, I really would have no problem with it just as long as they are able to still train/develop their games

RonRon wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

RonRon wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Not listing needs here just who I think is think is personally the BPA

1. Karl Anthony Towns

2. Jahill Okafor

3. Frank Kaminsky

4. Justice Winslow

5 Mario Hezonga

6 Deangelo Russell

7 Christian Wood

8 Emmanuel Mudiay

9 Jarell Martin

10 Kristaps Porzingis

11 Kelly Oubre
12 Tyus Jones

13 Stanley Johnson

14 Robert Upshaw

15 Bobby Portis

16 Willie Trill Stein

17 Cameron Payne

18 Trey Lyles

19 Devin Booker
20 Montrezl Harrell

21 Myles Turner

22 Rashaud Vaughn

23 Jerian Grant

24 Delon Wright

25 Rondae Jefferson

26 Sam Decker

27 Kevin Looney

28 Jordan Mickey

29 Tyler Harvey

30 Rayvonte Rice

31 Richaun Holmes

32 Joseph Young

33 Michael Qualls

34 Dakari Johnson

35 Oliver Hanlan

36 Dez Wells

37 Terry Rozier

38 Justin Andersen

39 Corey Hawkins

40 Derrick Marks

That is quite a reach for Wood and even Frank Kaminski
Pretty high for Robert Upshaw as well considering there are lot of BIGS in this draft class
I do not see Mudiay dropping past Philly and Lakers, though we do not know the order, those are the only 2 teams outside of the Knick's that need a PG, while many other teams already have one already

With that said, Mudiay does have a John Wall/Tyreke Evans type of ceiling, and does have the physical abilities to be an effective defender as well
His shooting is something that could be learned but he does in fact have a lot of talent/physical abilities that I am starting to warm up to
If Mudiay does drop I would love to acquire him along with a G/F like Henzoja or Winslow
I would still have interest in Shabazz and Tony Wroten, if we can buy low for them in a trade, and resigning Shved to a 2.5m to 3.3m 2year deal for further evaluation while giving him the opporutunity to compete for a starting job, depending on what positions we use for our picks/FA/d league callups/possible trades/undrafted talents...

I would love to acquire 2, with Towns/OK4 going 1st/2nd, of any of these talents if we trade down and/or make trades with future draft picks and/or with the possiblity of trading CA to move up with the assets to do so

Assuming Towns/OK4 are 1st/2nd then the guys below could be determined by team needs/draft order

Mudiay/Russell

Mario Henzoja/Justice Winslow

Kristaps Porzingis/Kaminski

For the 2nd round steals, I would love Dakari Johnson, Terry Rozier, Tyler Harvey, along with Marcus Thorton
For mid/late 1st rounders I think Delon Wright would be a steal as well
I see Trey Lyles as a YOUNG JOE SMITH type of talent/glue role player that played with KG as a solid role talent with good size and verastile skills/mid range game/rebounding/defense

This draft class has a LOT OF BIGS from the top of the draft to the 2nd round and some possible undrafted talents to work on....

Wood has unique characteristics that only he and Porzingis have in rd 1 from the 4 position. Upshaw wont be drafted at 14 because he smokes dope but he is around the 14th best just ahead of Stein. One guy I have gone over several time is Martin from LSU and finally moved him up to what I think might be right. Hes not a shotblocker and hes shorter than Wood and Porzinigis but hes very athletic and agile--and he played on a team where he had to split the interior scoring load---hes close with Lyles but I think Martin is more agile than Lyles. I put on the Portland board Id be all over Martin for their PF if he lasts to 23 and I would try to S+T Aldridge Matthews and Affalo and reboot with Leonard Martin Lillard and McCollum as my core. It is possible they could score very well in S+T and I would target teams like the Knicks and their first round pick by using Aldridge and his fifth year a target bait. I think he can be convinced into taking that 5th year in a S+T if he is willing to go to NY. If Im a team with a RFA or even a UFA if I see the Knicks dont get pick 1 or 2 then I might be very willing to offer a guy like Aldridge or Harris to them for that pick. If I was Paul Allen and his management team I wouldnt even call Phil Jackson--Id talk right to Dolan because Dolan can be convinced into a trade like that without question.

2nd round steals--not really this year too many good guards--a good drafting team should find a good player in rd 2 this year.

smoking Dope and smoking Weed *really isn't as bad as you make it sound, which is legal in many STATES already*
not saying that we should draft POT HEADS, of course any addictive behavior and partying life style could be red flagged however, my point is Alchohol could be much worse and is legal
However, additiction will always stay, it gets transferred to other obssessive behaviors that could be positive such as a workout regime
Chris Anderson has done far worse and is a very good role player for many years off the bench, while he had substance abuse, and turned his addition to the basketball courts/tattoos, while having a solid NBA career despite not being a prospect

If NBA talents smoke weed in the off season, I really would have no problem with it just as long as they are able to still train/develop their games

Well smoking dope is going to cost him atleast 2.5mm over 2 years at a minimum---maybe much more and it will give teams serious pause even if they think he is late lottery talent. Its very hard to get involved with an individual with problems like that--it often turns out poorly. But I always like to think the best of people--Id like to think that he can be smart about it--and put that away for when his career is over. There is a certain responsibility we all have in our business years and its one thing to do something once in awhile--another to wake up and go look for your bong pipe or bottle.

3 team trade/4 team trade

Knicks loses 2015 1st rounder
gets

Carroll in a sign and trade
Shabazz
Walter Tavaris
Tony Wroten and pick 31
sign Greg Monroe, signingss with MLE and cap space, with 3year deals with player/team options for 3rd Lavoy Allen, Wesley Johnson, or/and Brandon Wright, and resigns Cole Aldrich with early bird rights for FULL MLE to utilize on one player or divided up
Resigns Shved
Call up Thansis/Orlando Sanchez and some D League's

Atlanta lose pick 15,50, Carroll, and Shelvin Mack

gets NYK's pick or Twolves pick
Pekovic
Budinger

Twolves
gets rid of Pekovic, picks 31 and 36, Budinger (expiring)
maybe swap picks with their pick and our pick going to Twolves and Atlanta getting the Twolves pick if we win Twolves pick drops and we get a TOP 2pick
gets pick 15, 50, trade exemptions, and concentrate on development/young guys

Philly loses Wroten *or we use a future 1st rounder instead with Tim Hardaway/Early* and get back Covington/Wroten/and a some 2nd rounders in this draft and next years draft...
gets pick 36 and Shelvin Mack

Thanks Wron Wron!!

NO DOUBTERS
1. Karl Anthony Towns
2. Jahill Okafor

THE REST of the Lottery
3. Deangelo Russell
4. Justice Winslow
5. Mario Hezonga
6. Willie Trill Stein
7. Frank Kaminsky
8. Myles Turner
9. Stanley Johnson
10. Kelly Oubre
11. Kevin Looney
12. Kristaps Porzingis
13. Christian Wood

1st rounders
14. Bobby Portis
15. Cameron Payne
16. Trey Lyles
17. Devin Booker
18. Jarell Martin
19. Robert Upshaw
20. Montrezl Harrell
21. Jerian Grant
22. Rondae Jefferson
23. Delon Wright
24. Sam Decker
25. Tyus Jones
26. Dakari Johnson
27. Terry Rozier
28. Justin Andersen
29. Andrew Harrison
30. Michael Qualls

BRIGGS wrote:Not listing needs here just who I think is think is personally the BPA

1. Karl Anthony Towns

2. Jahill Okafor

3. Frank Kaminsky

4. Deangelo Russell
5 Myles Turner

6 Justice Winslow

7 Emmanuel Mudiay

8 Mario Hezonga

9 Kristaps Porzingis

10 Bobby Portis

11 Kelly Oubre
12 Tyus Jones

13 Jerell Martin

14 Stanley Johnson
15 Trey Lyles
16 Robert Upshaw

17 Willie Trill Stein

18 Cameron Payne

19 Devin Booker
20 Montrezl Harrell

21 Christian Wood

22 Rashaud Vaughn

23 Jerian Grant

24 Delon Wright

25 Rondae Jefferson

26 Sam Decker

27 Kevin Looney

28 Jordan Mickey

29 Tyler Harvey

30 Dakari Johnson

31 Richaun Holmes

32 Joseph Young

33 Michael Qualls

34 Dez Wells

35 Oliver Hanlan

36 Rayvonte Rice

37 Terry Rozier

38 Justin Andersen

39 Corey Hawkins

40 Derrick Marks

I like Kaminsky but Kaminsky over Russell would be a big mistake. Turner at 5 also a mistake in my estimation. Wood, J Martin and Upshaw are good picks you've pointed out before and I like too. Of those Id take Wood highest at ~ 12-14.

The dynamic development of some of the players has shuffled the top of the draft interestingly. I'll take Russell at 1. Towns is close at 2.

1. Russell
2. Towns
3. Okafor
4. Mudiay
5. Kaminsky
6. Hezonja
7. Winslow

Especially with the chances that Lakers could lose their pick and Philly could get 2 TOP 6 picks along with their other billion picks int he next couple of years

They probably have enough assets to trade for 5 James Harden at the price Harden was traded for and still have more picks

BRIGGS wrote:Not listing needs here just who I think is think is personally the BPA

1. Karl Anthony Towns

2. Jahill Okafor

3. Frank Kaminsky

4. Deangelo Russell
5 Myles Turner

6 Justice Winslow

7 Emmanuel Mudiay

8 Mario Hezonga

9 Kristaps Porzingis

10 Bobby Portis

11 Kelly Oubre
12 Tyus Jones

13 Jerell Martin

14 Stanley Johnson
15 Trey Lyles
16 Robert Upshaw

17 Willie Trill Stein

18 Cameron Payne

19 Devin Booker
20 Montrezl Harrell

21 Christian Wood

22 Rashaud Vaughn

23 Jerian Grant

24 Delon Wright

25 Rondae Jefferson

26 Sam Decker

27 Kevin Looney

28 Jordan Mickey

29 Tyler Harvey

30 Dakari Johnson

31 Richaun Holmes

32 Joseph Young

33 Michael Qualls

34 Dez Wells

35 Oliver Hanlan

36 Rayvonte Rice

37 Terry Rozier

38 Justin Andersen

39 Corey Hawkins

40 Derrick Marks

Just to make sure, are you saying "THE PLAN", you know, the one that Phil Jackson made 4 months, 3 days, 2 hours, 3minutes, 8seconds... is falling to pick 17?
Along with Greg Monroe, that is the plan isn't it?

LOL

just joking wit you, love you Briggs...
seriously though 5-6 days away and we actually know who gets what pick so we can better speculate then

crzymdups wrote:I agree that taking Kaminsky over Russell would be a massive mistake. That's the sort of thing you never live down in an NBA draft.