smackeddog wrote:We should only judge players on their most recent 6 games when deciding which free agents to sign- that is a recipe for success!

smackeddog wrote:We should only judge players on their most recent 6 games when deciding which free agents to sign- that is a recipe for success!

To be fair about Danny Green is he really worth a big contract? The Knicks need so much is he worth using cap space on? He doesn't really go hard to the basket doesn't do mid range giving a specialist a big contract would be a mistake. Green is more a product of Spurs system. Let's face it players like Green are compliment players, when the cupboard is empty it's not the time to add complimentary players. That free agency cash has to be used for impact players.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:We should only judge players on their most recent 6 games when deciding which free agents to sign- that is a recipe for success!

6 games--hes been a role player is whole career

I agree he is a complimentary player for a set team. For the Knicks its a waste of cap money.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:We should only judge players on their most recent 6 games when deciding which free agents to sign- that is a recipe for success!

6 games--hes been a role player is whole career

We need role players and Phil has said the aim will not be to land the big name max guys, but likely we will target a few 2nd and 3rd their players. I'm not saying crazy money for Green, but 6 or 7 mil would be fine, if we have it left over.

MS wrote:I said last week this guy was tremendously overaided and people would be paying for the pedigree of the Spurs not the player this guy actually is. He is a specialist, that's really it. He a good defender, but pop puts guys in a system where he finds success. Look at Marco Bellinelli. He has a skill and popivich used it perfectly. Matt Bonner to the lesser lesser extent. you have two great guards and perhaps the greatest power forward of all time getting you the ball for open threes.

The Knicks need to get in the routine of grabbing a guy that can do multiple things, too often we go after limited players that don't play defense, have zero IQ on the floor and can't fit into a team concept and make a real difference.

yeah, remember Gary Neal? people were hot and heavy to get him for a while, but his numbers plummeted this year, shot 30% from 3pt range after shooting 41% from 3 as a Spur.

Playing with Tim Duncan commanding attention in the post is a lot different than playing on the Hornets.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:We should only judge players on their most recent 6 games when deciding which free agents to sign- that is a recipe for success!

6 games--hes been a role player is whole career

We need role players and Phil has said the aim will not be to land the big name max guys, but likely we will target a few 2nd and 3rd their players. I'm not saying crazy money for Green, but 6 or 7 mil would be fine, if we have it left over.

Am I winning a championship next year--then why the hll would I spend 8mm on a role player that I can try to develop out of the D league or 2nd round like Green himself? Danny Green cant get to the foul line--he's a SG who cant score if hes not hitting a 3 so what type of value does he have for hwre this team is. Less than zero because Id rather have a higher tiered player that I either drafted or traded for.

Playoffs Stats
Season	Age Pos  G   GS  MP   FG   FGA   FG%   3P   3PA   3P%   2P   2PA   2P%   eFG%   FT   FTA   FT%   ORB   DRB   TRB   AST   STL   BLK   TOV   PF   PTS
2010-11	23  SG   4   0   1.8  0.5  1.5   .333  0.3  1.0   .250  0.3  0.5   .500  .417   0.0  0.0   0.0   0.0   0.3   0.3   0.5   0.3   0.3   0.3   0.3  1.3
2011-12	24  SG   14  12  20.6 2.7  6.5   .418  1.4  4.1   .345  1.3  2.4   .545  .527   0.5  0.7  .700   0.2   3.0   3.2   1.1   0.5   0.7   1.1   1.7  7.4
2012-13	25  SG   21  21  31.9 4.0  8.9   .446  2.6  5.4   .482  1.3  3.4   .389  .594   0.6  0.7  .800   0.9   3.3   4.1   1.5   1.0   1.1   0.9   2.4  11.1
2013-14 26  SG   23  23  23.0 3.4  6.9   .491  2.1  4.4   .475  1.3  2.5   .517  .642   0.4  0.5  .818   0.4   2.6   3.0   0.9   1.4   0.7   0.9   2.2  9.3
2014-15	27  SG   6   6   28.2 2.5  8.2   .306  1.5  5.5   .273  1.0  2.7   .375  .398   0.5  0.8  .600   0.8   1.5   2.3   2.0   0.8   0.3   0.8   1.3  7.0

Advanced Stats
Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  MP  PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB% DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL%  BLK%  TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS  WS/48  OBPM  DBPM  BPM  VORP
2010-11	23  SAS NBA SG	4  7   26.0  .417  .667	 .000  0.0  17.0  8.3   70.8  7.6   10.3  14.3  46.9  0.0  0.0  0.0 .027   11.4  12.0  23.4 0.0
2011-12	24  SAS NBA SG	14 289 11.7  .540  .637  .110  1.3  16.3  9.1   7.9   1.3   2.5   13.6  17.8  0.1  0.3  0.4 .065   -0.2  1.6   1.4  0.2
2012-13	25  SAS	NBA SG	21 669 15.2  .605  .613  .081  3.2  11.5  7.5   7.4   1.8   2.6   9.0   15.0  1.2  0.9  2.1 .154   3.7   2.1   5.8  1.2
2013-14 26  SAS	NBA SG	23 529 16.5  .650  .635  .069  2.0  13.0  7.6   5.9   3.1   2.6   10.9  16.1  0.9  1.0  1.9 .172   3.9   3.4   7.3  1.2
2014-15	27  SAS	NBA SG	6  169 6.8   .410  .673  .102  3.1  5.8   4.4   10.5  1.5   0.9   8.9   14.9 -0.1  0.1  0.0 .010		

Look at his full history in terms of his career performance. Last 3 years he was showing great production as a "role player" for his team. Look at his 3pt%, eFG%, TS% and WS/48 in the previous playoffs.

nixluva wrote:This is just pure BULL ISH. You can't just cherry pick the one time the guy has a down set of games and make that the proof that he's not worth Signing.

Playoffs Stats
Season	Age Pos  G   GS  MP   FG   FGA   FG%   3P   3PA   3P%   2P   2PA   2P%   eFG%   FT   FTA   FT%   ORB   DRB   TRB   AST   STL   BLK   TOV   PF   PTS
2010-11	23  SG   4   0   1.8  0.5  1.5   .333  0.3  1.0   .250  0.3  0.5   .500  .417   0.0  0.0   0.0   0.0   0.3   0.3   0.5   0.3   0.3   0.3   0.3  1.3
2011-12	24  SG   14  12  20.6 2.7  6.5   .418  1.4  4.1   .345  1.3  2.4   .545  .527   0.5  0.7  .700   0.2   3.0   3.2   1.1   0.5   0.7   1.1   1.7  7.4
2012-13	25  SG   21  21  31.9 4.0  8.9   .446  2.6  5.4   .482  1.3  3.4   .389  .594   0.6  0.7  .800   0.9   3.3   4.1   1.5   1.0   1.1   0.9   2.4  11.1
2013-14 26  SG   23  23  23.0 3.4  6.9   .491  2.1  4.4   .475  1.3  2.5   .517  .642   0.4  0.5  .818   0.4   2.6   3.0   0.9   1.4   0.7   0.9   2.2  9.3
2014-15	27  SG   6   6   28.2 2.5  8.2   .306  1.5  5.5   .273  1.0  2.7   .375  .398   0.5  0.8  .600   0.8   1.5   2.3   2.0   0.8   0.3   0.8   1.3  7.0

Advanced Stats
Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  MP  PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB% DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL%  BLK%  TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS  WS/48  OBPM  DBPM  BPM  VORP
2010-11	23  SAS NBA SG	4  7   26.0  .417  .667	 .000  0.0  17.0  8.3   70.8  7.6   10.3  14.3  46.9  0.0  0.0  0.0 .027   11.4  12.0  23.4 0.0
2011-12	24  SAS NBA SG	14 289 11.7  .540  .637  .110  1.3  16.3  9.1   7.9   1.3   2.5   13.6  17.8  0.1  0.3  0.4 .065   -0.2  1.6   1.4  0.2
2012-13	25  SAS	NBA SG	21 669 15.2  .605  .613  .081  3.2  11.5  7.5   7.4   1.8   2.6   9.0   15.0  1.2  0.9  2.1 .154   3.7   2.1   5.8  1.2
2013-14 26  SAS	NBA SG	23 529 16.5  .650  .635  .069  2.0  13.0  7.6   5.9   3.1   2.6   10.9  16.1  0.9  1.0  1.9 .172   3.9   3.4   7.3  1.2
2014-15	27  SAS	NBA SG	6  169 6.8   .410  .673  .102  3.1  5.8   4.4   10.5  1.5   0.9   8.9   14.9 -0.1  0.1  0.0 .010		

Look at his full history in terms of his career performance. Last 3 years he was showing great production as a "role player" for his team. Look at his

3pt%, eFG%, TS% and WS/48 in the previous playoffs.

Hes a role player and he cant get to the FT line. Many of his shots are created by the spacing the Spurs receive by having Tim Duncan in the post. On the other end same rules apply--he can play up on his man because he has two 7 footers protecting the basket. So he can make plays by over extending without thinking twice.