That is like giving the full MLE to Jerome James off a single play off performance.

If we could get Jordan for the max, I would be ecstatic. He is the right side of 30, with plenty of years ahead of impact play.

BRIGGS wrote:All of these similar posts mean nothing. We would give Jordan a max but it will never get that far--it wont get far with any RFA. There is no way smart savvy business men who run this league will turn their back on contracts at a 71% discount--not a one. Even offering your UFA 5 years for good money make sense because teams will need players with the big rise in cap. You simply sign the player even if you dont want them going 4ward and then wait 3 months and trade for assets or keep them at bargain prices.

The new max contract will be 25-27mm per and the new MLE will be 8.75mm.. Signing a guy for 8mm is a steal--easily disposed of after you sign them. Signing the upper tier guys for 13-16mm is a no brainer--easy to trade. The one thing that does help us is that Melos contract becomes easily tradeable if he wants out.

You don't mean to say Deandre is RFA - as he is unrestricted- but yes, if your point is that with the exploding cap, there is no way a desirable free agent moves- unless they truly want to.

I think we have a slim shot with top names- I just worry that we end up overpaying for dregs- David West, Elton Brand - nice players, but I sure hope we're not throwing big money their way or exploding cap or not, we'll regret signing them to bad deals.

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:All of these similar posts mean nothing. We would give Jordan a max but it will never get that far--it wont get far with any RFA. There is no way smart savvy business men who run this league will turn their back on contracts at a 71% discount--not a one. Even offering your UFA 5 years for good money make sense because teams will need players with the big rise in cap. You simply sign the player even if you dont want them going 4ward and then wait 3 months and trade for assets or keep them at bargain prices.

The new max contract will be 25-27mm per and the new MLE will be 8.75mm.. Signing a guy for 8mm is a steal--easily disposed of after you sign them. Signing the upper tier guys for 13-16mm is a no brainer--easy to trade. The one thing that does help us is that Melos contract becomes easily tradeable if he wants out.

You don't mean to say Deandre is RFA - as he is unrestricted- but yes, if your point is that with the exploding cap, there is no way a desirable free agent moves- unless they truly want to.
I think we have a slim shot with top names- I just worry that we end up overpaying for dregs- David West, Elton Brand - nice players, but I sure hope we're not throwing big money their way or exploding cap or not, we'll regret signing them to bad deals.

Bonn1997 wrote:The average team gets about a point a possession, meaning 50% from the line and you would break even. If you're 5 percent below that, you're making one less free throw out of 20. If you take about 20 FTs a week, you're costing your team about a point a week.
He makes up for it and goes so far beyond that actually, that I would have no problem giving him the max.
Note that I actually read a while ago that 47% was the break even point but they didn't explain the number and I thought it would have been closer to low 50s. So I put 50% as a rough estimate.

Apples to oranges. The average team's point per possession is inclusive of their free throw percentage which on average is 75%+. Broadening the scope of FT shooting to a per possession loss factor is an error because not all possessions were created equally.

In the last two minutes of a game, arguably the most important 2 minutes, where there is a point differential of a few points, you are taking opportunities where you should get 1.5points per possession and trading that for .9pts per possession.

It is compounded in the short term because possessions decrease from 20 secs per possession to 2-4 secs per possession. You can end up with 10 possessions in that last minute. 1.5 -0.9 = 0.6 x 10 possessions = 6 points.

I still think he is worth that loss factor, for instance, Jordan recovers 15% of offensive rebounds -- meaning he gets 1 out of 6 misses back for his team - better than most players in the league. Overall his plus minus is pretty good. I might sit him in the foul shooting contests -- the last two minutes of a tight game, but otherwise, I think he gets a max contract.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The average team gets about a point a possession, meaning 50% from the line and you would break even. If you're 5 percent below that, you're making one less free throw out of 20. If you take about 20 FTs a week, you're costing your team about a point a week.
He makes up for it and goes so far beyond that actually, that I would have no problem giving him the max.
Note that I actually read a while ago that 47% was the break even point but they didn't explain the number and I thought it would have been closer to low 50s. So I put 50% as a rough estimate.

Apples to oranges. The average team's point per possession is inclusive of their free throw percentage which on average is 75%+. Broadening the scope of FT shooting to a per possession loss factor is an error because not all possessions were created equally.

In the last two minutes of a game, arguably the most important 2 minutes, where there is a point differential of a few points, you are taking opportunities where you should get 1.5points per possession and trading that for .9pts per possession.

It is compounded in the short term because possessions decrease from 20 secs per possession to 2-4 secs per possession. You can end up with 10 possessions in that last minute. 1.5 -0.9 = 0.6 x 10 possessions = 6 points.

I still think he is worth that loss factor, for instance, Jordan recovers 15% of offensive rebounds -- meaning he gets 1 out of 6 misses back for his team - better than most players in the league. Overall his plus minus is pretty good. I might sit him in the foul shooting contests -- the last two minutes of a tight game, but otherwise, I think he gets a max contract.

No team gets 1.5 points per possession in the closing 2 min. Usually efficiency goes down in the closing parts of games actually.

Bonn1997 wrote:The average team gets about a point a possession, meaning 50% from the line and you would break even. If you're 5 percent below that, you're making one less free throw out of 20. If you take about 20 FTs a week, you're costing your team about a point a week.
He makes up for it and goes so far beyond that actually, that I would have no problem giving him the max.
Note that I actually read a while ago that 47% was the break even point but they didn't explain the number and I thought it would have been closer to low 50s. So I put 50% as a rough estimate.

its probably lower than just the number of points per possession since you are compiling fouls on players and also putting them in the penalty.

So, when you take DA out of the game, the other team may be over the limit and it will hurt them.

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:DeAndre Jordan is going to get a 5 year max from the Clippers in the range of $104M. The most the Knicks could offer is 4yr $78M. You do the math.

but does he go for the money or does he want to be with a winning franchise and is will to take the 78?

Well if he wanted to be with a winning franchise... would he really want to be with the Knicks?

He may sign Bron's famous 1 and 1 deal so he can choose to play the 2016 or 2017 market.

If you're a free agent it makes sense, because basically in 2016 and 2017, most players will be able to pick the team they want to go to because there will be so much cap space.

If I'm the Knicks, I may wait until 2016 and try to build a super team rather than blow cap room on Greg Monroe. Heck, sign Andrea for a year rather than wasting four years on Monroe.