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callmened
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4/27/2015  8:56 PM
in honor of BRIGGS and others here who opine on who the knicks should target, ill give my own. as well as realistic other options/lineups

#1 target should be jimmy butler
- still young (26 by the start of next season)
- hard worker who improved from NOTHING (literally - he was once homeless)
- 6-7 truck who has learned how to shoot.
- excellent 2 way player on defense and offense
- perfect for the triangle (back cuts, spot up jumpers)
- chicago is cheap and wont pay him even though hes a restricted FA
- id be willing to OVERPAY for his services
- this season = 20ppg/5.3 rebs/3.3 asts/37% from 3

i think obtaining butler is quite realistic at 17mill (which i think is the max for a 4th yr player)

---Assuming we have about 35mill in cap space (were at 32mill ad new cap is at 67mill)---

Lineup
PG Mo williams = (5 mill) (or insert stop gap PG that isnt that good but not awful i.e sessions/beverley)
SG D. Green = (7mill) i think his price will go down since hes having a bad playoffs (dude cant dribble but he can defend and shoot 3s)
SF Butler (17 mill)- as stated earlier
PF Melo - were stuck with his bad knee/age/and shoot 1st mentality; but there are worse things in the world
C Towns - i prefer towns but it wouldnt surprise me or piss me off if we get Okafor

Bench
PG Shved - he converted me into a believer but still sucks on D
SG Hardaway - 6th man scorer off the bench (who should just focus on scoring since he cant play d)
SF Early - i never expected much from a 2nd rd draft pick. ill stay patient with him
PF Lavoy Allen (2 mill) underrated defender (or insert dante cunningham)
C Ajinca (3 mill) - new orleans cant afford him. dude is a massive defender whos only 24

Scrubs
PG Jose Calderon - phil says hes keeping him but i think thats a smoke screen
SG Galloway - this is where he actually belongs. lol. but im rooting for him
SF Ledo - i like this guy in spurs
PF Lance Thomas - hes earned a spot on the team
C Cole Aldrich - sure why not?

--- this should be good for a 40-45 win season. the following year, they need a PG---

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/27/2015  9:03 PM
Look, I like Butler as much as the next guy. But the Bulls arent going to let him go and I don't think he wants to go. He's stated as much. Communications between Butler and the Bulls need to deteriorate big time for us to have a slither of a chance.
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callmened
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4/27/2015  9:07 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Look, I like Butler as much as the next guy. But the Bulls arent going to let him go and I don't think he wants to go. He's stated as much. Communications between Butler and the Bulls need to deteriorate big time for us to have a slither of a chance.

thats fair. i just cant imagine them resigning him due to their cheap history. i think kawai resigns with the spurs but the bulls are notoriously cheap. i guess well see

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/27/2015  9:10 PM
Yeah, I'd give him the max but I think Chi would match and I think other, more desirable teams would offer him the max too.
The only reason I haven't written about signing Butler to the max is that I assume it's not possible
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4/27/2015  9:10 PM
What happens when we dont get Towns? You're also well over the cap--you gave everyone a low ball contract and Jimmy Butler DreyGreen and K Leoanard to the Knicks is a pipe dream 0/100.
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4/27/2015  9:16 PM
Who is your top REALISTIC target?
"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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4/27/2015  9:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:What happens when we dont get Towns? You're also well over the cap--you gave everyone a low ball contract and Jimmy Butler DreyGreen and K Leoanard to the Knicks is a pipe dream 0/100.

the ONLY reason i give butler a chance is because chicago is notoriously cheap. green and kawai arent going anywhere. if the numbers dont add up then get rid of the backups (like ajinca and allen and prioritize butler.

in regards to towns, i just hope we draft a big man. i prefer towns but wouldnt be upset with okafor

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
callmened
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4/27/2015  9:19 PM
s3231 wrote:Who is your top REALISTIC target?

insert TOBIAS HARRIS instead of butler

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/27/2015  9:20 PM
s3231 wrote:Who is your top REALISTIC target?

I think fans are stuck on the hope that somehow we are getting one of Leonard Drey Green or Butler and each of them have no chance of being a Knick. And almost every fan assumes we are getting Karl Towns and not even thinking about scenarios of picks 3 4 or even 5. If we get pick #5 it might be worth it for the humor.

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4/27/2015  9:20 PM
Fair enough, more realistic :)
"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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4/27/2015  9:21 PM
callmened wrote:
s3231 wrote:Who is your top REALISTIC target?

insert TOBIAS HARRIS instead of butler

what??

so here is what phil is thinking ....
callmened
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4/27/2015  9:22 PM
s3231 wrote:Fair enough, more realistic :)

LOL. if you notice i said my #1 target never mentioned realistic. im only praying chicago remains cheap like they normally are

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/27/2015  9:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/27/2015  9:25 PM
callmened wrote:
s3231 wrote:Who is your top REALISTIC target?

insert TOBIAS HARRIS instead of butler

So you want to spend 16mm $ on a player who plays the same position as Melo and puts up hollow stats on a bad team yet you think Kanter or Lopez who are twice as good as Harris scks? Not to mention Harris has barely played more than 2/3 of a season one time?

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4/27/2015  9:24 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
s3231 wrote:Who is your top REALISTIC target?

I think fans are stuck on the hope that somehow we are getting one of Leonard Drey Green or Butler and each of them have no chance of being a Knick. And almost every fan assumes we are getting Karl Towns and not even thinking about scenarios of picks 3 4 or even 5. If we get pick #5 it might be worth it for the humor.

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Yeah, it's funny because we all say we are patient but then a decent number of fans and most of the media are ready to call the off-season a bust if we don't land one of the top prizes that are unlikely to move.

There is nothing wrong with the organization methodically adding pieces to get us to the state where we can contend again. It rarely happens overnight and people tend to forget how asset barren we were over the past couple of seasons (the cupboard was emptied to bring Melo here). We need to start accumulating assets and I think Phil is being realistic when he says it's going to take some time to get there.

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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4/27/2015  9:25 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
s3231 wrote:Who is your top REALISTIC target?

I think fans are stuck on the hope that somehow we are getting one of Leonard Drey Green or Butler and each of them have no chance of being a Knick. And almost every fan assumes we are getting Karl Towns and not even thinking about scenarios of picks 3 4 or even 5. If we get pick #5 it might be worth it for the humor.

Yes im assunming we are getting a big man. i have no truth to that but thats my assumption. since both are very very good. im also assuming that we get a top 2 pick based on the odds. but then again, the knicks have bad luck. I just dont have the patience to go thru 5 to 7 different scenarios. i dont like putting energy into things i cant control. ill leave that up to you (BRIGGS) and ronron and others. im simply too lazy to go thru all those scenarios - therefore i go thru the most probable

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/27/2015  9:30 PM
I'm just glad you were realistic with this choice haha. Not a huge Harris fan personally (I like him fine but wonder how he would fit here with Melo). If Harris was more of a defender, think I would like him more for this team but think we have stronger needs at bigman and guard.
"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
callmened
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4/27/2015  9:30 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
callmened wrote:
s3231 wrote:Who is your top REALISTIC target?

insert TOBIAS HARRIS instead of butler

So you want to spend 16mm $ on a player who plays the same position as Melo and puts up hollow stats on a bad team yet you think Kanter or Lopez who are twice as good as Harris scks? Not to mention Harris has barely played more than 2/3 of a season one time?

- i never said kanter sucks. Id love to have kanter. id pay him the same price. but i think OKC retains him.
- in regards to lopez, i dont trust big men with injury problems. i would never give him a long term contract
- like kanter, i agree that even though he put up hollow stats on a bad team and doesnt play great def, im smart enough to see the talent. in regards to him playing the same position as melo, i think the two can interchange playing PF and SF. i acknowledge the issue but it wouldnt prevent me from resigning

what other holes do you wanna poke in my argument BRIGGS? im ready! bring it! lol

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/27/2015  9:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/27/2015  9:44 PM
I'd like to try to get Wes Matthews on the cheap coming off the Acl tear. I know it's risky but there may be a chance for value there. Also, take a flier on KJ McDaniels from HOU, very young SG who is a UFA.

Out of Green, Butler, Kawhi, I think the only one who may be attainable is Butler because CHI can be cheap. Butler on current max is a helluva bargain when the cap explodes in two years. Of course Chi knows this too. Middleton is another who is set to breakout and I'd love him too at the minimax but MIL 100% matches.

I don't think NY should go for any of the marquee guys. Get all value, solid vets or young vets and save the space for the future. Building a solid team takes time and Aldrige, Gasol, etc aren't worth splurging the entire wad of cash on.

For example: DeMar Carroll, Aminu, Milsap, Ed Davis, Amir Johnson, Gerald Green
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4/27/2015  9:42 PM
i concur. McDaniels is a sleeper.

im nervous about folks coming off of ACL or leg injuries. you never know how theyll do the following yr

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/27/2015  9:45 PM
callmened wrote:i concur. McDaniels is a sleeper.

im nervous about folks coming off of ACL or leg injuries. you never know how theyll do the following yr

Totally. But Matthews is good enough where if you can get him at a discount he could exceed its value by a lot. Love his game. Tough defensive minded SG who can bomb the three. Perfect.
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