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4/27/2015  1:48 PM
There are some really hidden gems in this league. IMO these are some players that are a lot better than some bigger names costing WAY more.




I'm sure there are others but these guys stick out in my mind as players you could build a cheap but good roster with. I don't know if Phil has these guys on his radar but they provide excellent value IMO.


Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
20  C. Joseph	  PG  23  SAS  79  1444  15.5  .564  .107  .348  3.5   11.4  7.5   19.7  1.6  0.9  12.4  17.0  2.7  1.8  4.5   .149    1.0
31  Goran Dragic  PG  28  TOT  78  2640  17.4  .577  .258  .234  3.5   8.2   5.9   22.8  1.5  0.5  13.5  21.8  5.4  1.4  6.8   .123    2.1
38  Bran Knight	  PG  23  TOT  63  2035  17.1  .543  .361  .251  1.6   12.0  6.8   27.4  2.3  0.4  16.1  25.9  2.0  2.5  4.5   .106    1.6
39  Reg Jackson	  PG  24  TOT  77  2268  17.2  .511  .242  .219  2.6   12.9  7.8   34.8  1.4  0.3  14.6  24.6  3.3  1.7  4.9   .104    1.6
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
2   Jimmy Butler  SG  25  CHI  65  2513  21.3  .583  .212  .508  5.1   11.2  8.2   14.4  2.3  1.0  7.7   21.6  8.2  3.0  11.2  .214    4.2
11  Danny Green	  SG  27  SAS  81  2312  16.5  .596  .619  .172  2.7   13.9  8.4   10.3  2.2  2.8  10.5  17.5  4.0  3.9  7.8   .163    4.1
18  A. Morrow	  SG  29  OKC  74  1806  14.8  .604  .528  .145  2.4   9.1   5.8   5.2   1.5  0.5  5.5   16.5  4.4  1.2  5.7   .151    1.2
22  W. Matthews	  SG  28  POR  60  2024  16.1  .586  .592  .193  2.1   9.5   5.9   10.8  1.9  0.4  9.0   19.8  4.0  2.2  6.2   .147    3.0
26  Alexey Shved  SG  26  TOT  42  767   19.5  .541  .415  .448  3.3   11.7  7.3   25.7  2.0  0.6  10.7  26.3  1.7  0.5  2.2   .135    0.5
40  Mar Belinelli SG  28  SAS  62  1388  12.4  .553  .489  .211  2.2   10.5  6.4   10.3  1.1  0.2  10.6  18.8  1.5  1.4  2.9   .100    0.5
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
1   DeA. Jordan	  C   26  LAC  82  2820  21.0  .638  .007  .882  16.2  32.4  24.5  3.2   1.5  5.4  12.8  13.6  7.4  5.4  12.8  .217    4.3
5   M. Gasol	  C   30  MEM  81  2687  21.7  .558  .016  .410  4.9   21.8  13.4  19.7  1.4  4.0  12.2  24.6  5.5  4.7  10.2  .182    4.6
8   A. Baynes	  C   28  SAS  70  1122  15.9  .618  .012  .318  11.2  20.7  16.1  4.9   0.7  1.5  14.8  17.8  2.3  1.6  3.9   .166    0.3
13  A. Ajinca	  C   26  NOP  68  957   19.9  .595  .000  .301  12.4  25.0  18.7  8.2   1.2  4.0  15.6  21.1  1.9  1.2  3.2   .159    0.5
14  Brook Lopez	  C   26  BRK  72  2100  22.7  .558  .010  .278  11.5  17.1  14.3  4.5   1.1  4.8  8.6   26.3  4.7  2.2  7.0   .159    1.1
15  B. Biyombo	  C   22  CHO  64  1243  15.2  .578  .000  .941  13.7  22.6  18.0  2.0   0.7  6.3  16.5  11.6  1.8  2.2  4.0   .155    0.5
19  R. Lopez	  C   26  POR  59  1638  16.2  .574  .002  .291  12.7  13.1  12.9  5.1   0.5  3.7  12.9  15.5  3.2  1.9  5.1   .150    1.7
23  Enes Kanter	  C   22  TOT  75  2135  20.3  .564  .048  .252  14.6  20.5  17.6  4.8   0.9  1.1  12.3  24.7  4.3  2.1  6.4   .145   -0.1
32  Joel Freeland C   27  POR  48  617   12.2  .522  .000  .166  11.0  21.9  16.6  3.8   0.7  2.7  12.4  13.4  0.6  0.9  1.6   .122    0.0
34  Omer Asik	  C   28  NOP  76  1982  15.5  .545  .000  .546  14.0  28.8  21.4  5.4   0.8  2.1  15.7  14.0  2.8  2.2  5.0   .120    0.6
35  Kosta Koufos  C   25  MEM  81  1348  14.2  .530  .000  .237  10.3  25.8  18.1  4.3   1.1  3.9  14.9  15.8  0.8  2.5  3.3   .118    0.2
37  Cole Aldrich  C   26  NYK  61  976   18.1  .513  .000  .213  11.6  28.9  20.0  13.3  2.0  5.5  15.2  18.3  0.8  1.4  2.2   .107    0.7
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
4   Bran. Wright  PF  27  TOT  75  1449	 20.4  .660  .008  .309  9.6   14.7  12.1  4.4   1.7  5.1  7.6   13.6  4.3  1.8  6.1   .202    2.0
6   M. Muscala	  PF  23  ATL  40  502   18.0  .608  .146  .166  12.2  14.8  13.5  8.0   1.6  3.2  11.5  16.7  1.2  0.7  1.9   .179    0.5
7   P. Millsap	  PF  29  ATL  73  2390  20.1  .565  .232  .362  6.9   20.0  13.6  15.4  2.8  2.4  13.3  23.8  4.0  4.3  8.3   .167    3.7
9   L. Aldridge	  PF  29  POR  71  2512  22.8  .528  .074  .256  7.7   22.9  15.5  9.2   1.0  1.9  7.2   30.2  4.9  3.7  8.6   .165    1.4
10  K. Love	  PF  26  CLE  75  2532  18.8  .562  .412  .337  6.5   26.3  16.6  10.7  1.0  1.2  10.0  21.7  5.8  2.9  8.7   .165    2.5
17  G. Monroe	  PF  24  DET  69  2137  21.2  .549  .000  .394  11.2  25.1  17.9  11.7  1.9  1.3  13.0  23.9  4.0  2.8  6.8   .153    2.1
21  Tri Thompson  PF  23  CLE  82  2194  15.6  .580  .000  .508  14.5  19.7  17.2  2.7   0.8  2.2  12.2  14.0  4.7  2.1  6.8   .148    0.8
24  Jon. Jerebko  PF  27  TOT  75  1230  15.0  .549  .369  .174  8.0   17.2  12.5  9.0   1.9  1.1  9.7   16.2  2.0  1.4  3.5   .135    0.9
25  K. Middleton  PF  23  MIL  79  2378  15.6  .563  .308  .180  2.3   14.3  8.4   12.7  2.6  0.4  10.8  19.9  3.2  3.5  6.7   .135    2.0
27  Brandon Bass  PF  29  BOS  82  1929  16.3  .557  .047  .313  7.8   14.9  11.3  8.6   1.1  1.3  9.6   19.5  3.4  1.9  5.3   .132    0.7
29  Lavoy Allen   PF  25  IND  63  1070  14.9  .493  .000  .157  12.8  20.5  16.7  10.9  0.7  3.1  11.1  15.2  1.3  1.6  2.8   .127    0.8
30  Amir Johnson  PF  27  TOR  75  1979  15.4  .603  .089  .249  9.3   17.3  13.3  9.4   1.1  2.4  16.0  15.7  3.5  1.6  5.1   .124    1.9
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
3   Kawhi Leonard SF  23  SAS  64  2033  22.0  .567  .234  .307  4.8   20.6  12.9  13.0  3.7  1.8  9.4   23.0  4.2  4.4  8.6   .204    4.1
12  Dray. Green	  SF  24  GSW  79  2490  16.4  .540  .430  .261  5.1   22.4  14.0  16.1  2.4  2.9  13.5  17.2  3.3  5.2  8.5   .163    4.4
16  D. Carroll	  SF  28  ATL  70  2189  15.9  .603  .466  .277  5.3   13.8  9.7   8.3   2.2  0.7  9.3   16.9  4.3  2.8  7.0   .154    2.7
28  Dorell Wright SF  29  POR  48  592   13.4  .525  .568  .221  2.6   17.2  10.0  10.2  1.7  1.3  7.9   17.1  0.7  0.8  1.6   .128    0.4
33  Tha Sefolosha SF  30  ATL  52  976   13.8  .506  .313  .233  6.4   19.3  13.1  11.2  2.8  1.8  12.2  14.6  0.8  1.7  2.5   .121    0.8
36  Jae Crowder   SF  24  TOT  82  1647  13.9  .517  .382  .259  4.7   14.9  9.7   8.6   2.2  1.2  7.5   17.5  1.9  2.0  3.9   .113    1.1
41  Tobias Harris SF  22  ORL  68  2369  16.7  .551  .252  .258  3.4   17.3  10.3  8.8   1.5  1.2  9.8   22.5  3.0  1.8  4.8   .098    1.0
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4/27/2015  2:06 PM
Khris Middleton--max player and not touchable

Alexis Anjica is a good player in limited minutes and could be a target but its a wait and see. My question about Alex---can you keep up your play for more than 18 minutes? I ask this because hes still going top cost 5-7mm. Hes going to be at a minimum an MLE player.

Demarre Carroll--by the time all is said and done may run his value to 9-10mm can we pay that-- depends I think Id pass at those prices.

Cory Joseph--again a team will have to pay past his production level to get him--he may end up as a value player

I don't know what you mean by deals here? I think each of these players will be getting theirs. You have 11 teams with cap space and the other 20 have full MLE's--so Im not sure what you mean by deal or that any player will be an ez get.

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4/27/2015  2:16 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Khris Middleton--max player and not touchable

Alexis Anjica is a good player in limited minutes and could be a target but its a wait and see. My question about Alex---can you keep up your play for more than 18 minutes? I ask this because hes still going top cost 5-7mm. Hes going to be at a minimum an MLE player.

Demarre Carroll--by the time all is said and done may run his value to 9-10mm can we pay that-- depends I think Id pass at those prices.

Cory Joseph--again a team will have to pay past his production level to get him--he may end up as a value player

I don't know what you mean by deals here? I think each of these players will be getting theirs. You have 11 teams with cap space and the other 20 have full MLE's--so Im not sure what you mean by deal or that any player will be an ez get.


I'm not sure that Middleton will get the Max. He's a rising player tho and I actually think it would be good value paying him $15-17 mil whatever the max ends up being.

I agree that Ajinca hasn't yet had to be a high minute player, but he's got the game you'd look for in a big. I think he's more affordable than many of the bigger names.

DeMarre may also be an affordable player. This is after all Free Agency and players are going to get paid. They're not all going to come for peanuts or else why would they leave their current team?

Cory I think is a very productive player if given minutes. His Advanced stats suggest that very clearly.

I tried to be very thorough in making this thread. The advanced stats back up the notion that these players could offer good value over bigger names in Free Agency. There's always a risk, but if you want certainty then you pay full price for the big names.
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4/27/2015  2:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/27/2015  2:29 PM
Ajincia is a LEGIT young Center at 7-2 and great length, athleticism, mobility, 3pt range *as you need a stretch 4 or 5 to allow penetration as an easy way to get high % points as a weapon*
Compare his upside with Karl Anthony Towns and can anyone say now for sure that Town's will be the better player in the next 3 seasons?
Give credit to New Orleans development staff with the success of Anthony Davis and the rise of Ajinicia with similiar skill sets/physical abilities/ceiling as well, for continued develpment and success moving forward....

He is my "realistic" UFA to target that will be a starter next season if on NYK's with a possibility of Detroit persuing him and/or Draymond Green as well to compliment Drummond and SVG's system
If lucky, we can obtain him and save the cap space to finish our roster spots, especially if we can move CA to Houston
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4/27/2015  2:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/27/2015  2:34 PM
I am saying we should go for VALUE this summer, concentrate on develpment, get rid of CA contract, and in 2017 finish our roster, while getting as much young prospects and value players/talents to be part of our future


Most importantly, we need CA to be put in a position to waive his no trade clause, especially if Houston/Morey is willing to give us back good value with assets/draft picks/yount talent in the process
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4/27/2015  2:35 PM
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Khris Middleton--max player and not touchable

Alexis Anjica is a good player in limited minutes and could be a target but its a wait and see. My question about Alex---can you keep up your play for more than 18 minutes? I ask this because hes still going top cost 5-7mm. Hes going to be at a minimum an MLE player.

Demarre Carroll--by the time all is said and done may run his value to 9-10mm can we pay that-- depends I think Id pass at those prices.

Cory Joseph--again a team will have to pay past his production level to get him--he may end up as a value player

I don't know what you mean by deals here? I think each of these players will be getting theirs. You have 11 teams with cap space and the other 20 have full MLE's--so Im not sure what you mean by deal or that any player will be an ez get.


I'm not sure that Middleton will get the Max. He's a rising player tho and I actually think it would be good value paying him $15-17 mil whatever the max ends up being.

I agree that Ajinca hasn't yet had to be a high minute player, but he's got the game you'd look for in a big. I think he's more affordable than many of the bigger names.

DeMarre may also be an affordable player. This is after all Free Agency and players are going to get paid. They're not all going to come for peanuts or else why would they leave their current team?

Cory I think is a very productive player if given minutes. His Advanced stats suggest that very clearly.

I tried to be very thorough in making this thread. The advanced stats back up the notion that these players could offer good value over bigger names in Free Agency. There's always a risk, but if you want certainty then you pay full price for the big names.

Have to see what the draft brings us. I like Anjica. If we added Brook Lopez/Kanter Anjica Towns/Okafor and another potential draft pick--we could have an entire new frontline(Id like to keep Aldrich as well and Scvheyd) that would be hard to deal with. I see it as the quickest avenue to become relevant asap.

If we ad a max player and one 6-7 mm$ player--thats pretty much it.

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4/27/2015  2:36 PM
nixluva wrote:I'm not sure that Middleton will get the Max. He's a rising player tho and I actually think it would be good value paying him $15-17 mil whatever the max ends up being.

Seems like you are saying 2 different things, isn't $15-17 mil the max? I'd overpay for him in the $12M range.

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4/27/2015  3:00 PM
I'm not sure where the market will be in two years but right now Middleton at 15-17mil per is not value...
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4/27/2015  3:07 PM
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm not sure that Middleton will get the Max. He's a rising player tho and I actually think it would be good value paying him $15-17 mil whatever the max ends up being.

Seems like you are saying 2 different things, isn't $15-17 mil the max? I'd overpay for him in the $12M range.


Perhaps I was a bit too high in my range for Khris, but I view him as a high priority type of signing. A kid like this has that glow of future star hanging over him. It's why I wouldn't mind paying close to the max if that's what it took to pry him away. It's not purely about the player being cheap, but the value you'd get overall. Once he fully shows, we won't be able to get him at all.
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4/27/2015  3:10 PM
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm not sure that Middleton will get the Max. He's a rising player tho and I actually think it would be good value paying him $15-17 mil whatever the max ends up being.

Seems like you are saying 2 different things, isn't $15-17 mil the max? I'd overpay for him in the $12M range.

agree. 12 million is overpaying for his resume but may be on the cusp of a good risk.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/27/2015  3:15 PM
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm not sure that Middleton will get the Max. He's a rising player tho and I actually think it would be good value paying him $15-17 mil whatever the max ends up being.

Seems like you are saying 2 different things, isn't $15-17 mil the max? I'd overpay for him in the $12M range.

agree. 12 million is overpaying for his resume but may be on the cusp of a good risk.

Hey whatever it takes to get him... I think we have to remember that the cap is increasing and what looks high now won't be very soon. The other players on this list are most certainly options as well and i'd like to see if there are other players who could fit into this high value list.
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4/27/2015  3:17 PM
middleton - ive been raving about this id for months. but the knight trade tells me that they got rid of brandon in order to have money to resign middlton

ajinca - yes i love JINX. the pels wont be able to afford him either

Carroll - i also love carroll..typical 3&D guy

CoJo - is a nie defensive PG. im not sure about his offense but i havent seen enough. but i wouldnt mind

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/27/2015  3:17 PM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm not sure that Middleton will get the Max. He's a rising player tho and I actually think it would be good value paying him $15-17 mil whatever the max ends up being.

Seems like you are saying 2 different things, isn't $15-17 mil the max? I'd overpay for him in the $12M range.

agree. 12 million is overpaying for his resume but may be on the cusp of a good risk.

Hey whatever it takes to get him... I think we have to remember that the cap is increasing and what looks high now won't be very soon. The other players on this list are most certainly options as well and i'd like to see if there are other players who could fit into this high value list.

with this logic, we should offer maxes to everyone that we want?

capology is going to be more important than ever now since it is all new. We can't blow are wad this year either.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/27/2015  3:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/27/2015  3:26 PM
Amini in Dallas is now making 980k per..Offer 3m per ...Dallas could pay this guy 5m per..
Austin Rivers is now making 2.4 on the Clippers..Offer him 3m
Ed Davis(yellowboy's pick) is Making 980k..Offer him 3m
Monta Ellis at 10 mil per is value..Think Dallas pays him 14m per
CJ Watson at 2m per...
Derrick Williams at 2m per..

Calderon deal looms large when looking at these potential pickups and the cap..
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4/27/2015  3:27 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm not sure that Middleton will get the Max. He's a rising player tho and I actually think it would be good value paying him $15-17 mil whatever the max ends up being.

Seems like you are saying 2 different things, isn't $15-17 mil the max? I'd overpay for him in the $12M range.

agree. 12 million is overpaying for his resume but may be on the cusp of a good risk.

Hey whatever it takes to get him... I think we have to remember that the cap is increasing and what looks high now won't be very soon. The other players on this list are most certainly options as well and i'd like to see if there are other players who could fit into this high value list.

with this logic, we should offer maxes to everyone that we want?

capology is going to be more important than ever now since it is all new. We can't blow are wad this year either.

we're talking just one player, right? Why extend it to everyone; each has their own range.

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4/27/2015  3:28 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm not sure that Middleton will get the Max. He's a rising player tho and I actually think it would be good value paying him $15-17 mil whatever the max ends up being.

Seems like you are saying 2 different things, isn't $15-17 mil the max? I'd overpay for him in the $12M range.

agree. 12 million is overpaying for his resume but may be on the cusp of a good risk.

Hey whatever it takes to get him... I think we have to remember that the cap is increasing and what looks high now won't be very soon. The other players on this list are most certainly options as well and i'd like to see if there are other players who could fit into this high value list.

with this logic, we should offer maxes to everyone that we want?

capology is going to be more important than ever now since it is all new. We can't blow are wad this year either.

You're exaggerating what I said. I didn't say it was logical to do this for every player. I was very specific in regards to doing it for a player like Middleton. IMO his particular talent projects very high and he's already showing that talent, which is why we're even suggesting paying him so much.

I'm obviously conscious of the cap since I created this thread with the idea of saving money and getting great value. However, that doesn't mean we have to never splurge a bit for a player we really want. It has to be targeted.
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4/27/2015  3:31 PM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm not sure that Middleton will get the Max. He's a rising player tho and I actually think it would be good value paying him $15-17 mil whatever the max ends up being.

Seems like you are saying 2 different things, isn't $15-17 mil the max? I'd overpay for him in the $12M range.

agree. 12 million is overpaying for his resume but may be on the cusp of a good risk.

Hey whatever it takes to get him... I think we have to remember that the cap is increasing and what looks high now won't be very soon. The other players on this list are most certainly options as well and i'd like to see if there are other players who could fit into this high value list.

with this logic, we should offer maxes to everyone that we want?

capology is going to be more important than ever now since it is all new. We can't blow are wad this year either.

we're talking just one player, right? Why extend it to everyone; each has their own range.

I am talking about players that we value in the 10-12 million dollar range.

This logic may not be wrong. My point is that with the new deal coming, capologist will be really challenged this season.

I value players as if the past deal stays in place since that is all I have to go on at this point.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/27/2015  3:33 PM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm not sure that Middleton will get the Max. He's a rising player tho and I actually think it would be good value paying him $15-17 mil whatever the max ends up being.

Seems like you are saying 2 different things, isn't $15-17 mil the max? I'd overpay for him in the $12M range.

agree. 12 million is overpaying for his resume but may be on the cusp of a good risk.

Hey whatever it takes to get him... I think we have to remember that the cap is increasing and what looks high now won't be very soon. The other players on this list are most certainly options as well and i'd like to see if there are other players who could fit into this high value list.

with this logic, we should offer maxes to everyone that we want?

capology is going to be more important than ever now since it is all new. We can't blow are wad this year either.

You're exaggerating what I said. I didn't say it was logical to do this for every player. I was very specific in regards to doing it for a player like Middleton. IMO his particular talent projects very high and he's already showing that talent, which is why we're even suggesting paying him so much.

I'm obviously conscious of the cap since I created this thread with the idea of saving money and getting great value. However, that doesn't mean we have to never splurge a bit for a player we really want. It has to be targeted.

Thats fine and I don't disagree.

If we would splurge / jump in, maybe he is the guy.

I wish that we can get Dray since he is a vocal leader and has huge heart. He is by far my number one guy and I am holding out hope that GS undervalues him.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/27/2015  4:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/27/2015  4:13 PM
I'd add E'Twaun Moore and Cameron Bairstow to the discussion here -- I think these are two value players, guys that could excel and produce given more minutes..Not sure if Chicago brings back either guy (they hold team options for both players for next year). I esp. like Moore -- speaking of Cory Joseph, I think Moore could be something close to Cory Joseph maybe.

Dwight Powell is another value player I'd love to poach from the Dallas Mavericks somehow.
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Finestrg wrote:I'd add E'Twaun Moore and Cameron Bairstow to the discussion here -- I think these are two value players, guys that could excel and produce given more minutes..Not sure if Chicago brings back either guy (they hold team options for both players for next year). I esp. like Moore -- speaking of Cory Joseph, I think Moore could be something close to Cory Joseph maybe.

Dwight Powell is another value player I'd love to poach from the Dallas Mavericks somehow.

E'Twaun is a bit too low on the list IMO. Cameron isn't a FA yet. They may be fine prospects but the players i'm listing are more known quantities who according to advanced stats show production with at minimum 500 minutes played and a WS/48 of .100 which is the league avg. The lowest guy on my list WS/48 is Tobias Harris who is actually at .098


Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
20  C. Joseph	  PG  23  SAS  79  1444  15.5  .564  .107  .348  3.5   11.4  7.5   19.7  1.6  0.9  12.4  17.0  2.7  1.8  4.5   .149    1.0
31  Goran Dragic  PG  28  TOT  78  2640  17.4  .577  .258  .234  3.5   8.2   5.9   22.8  1.5  0.5  13.5  21.8  5.4  1.4  6.8   .123    2.1
38  Bran Knight	  PG  23  TOT  63  2035  17.1  .543  .361  .251  1.6   12.0  6.8   27.4  2.3  0.4  16.1  25.9  2.0  2.5  4.5   .106    1.6
39  Reg Jackson	  PG  24  TOT  77  2268  17.2  .511  .242  .219  2.6   12.9  7.8   34.8  1.4  0.3  14.6  24.6  3.3  1.7  4.9   .104    1.6
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
2   Jimmy Butler  SG  25  CHI  65  2513  21.3  .583  .212  .508  5.1   11.2  8.2   14.4  2.3  1.0  7.7   21.6  8.2  3.0  11.2  .214    4.2
11  Danny Green	  SG  27  SAS  81  2312  16.5  .596  .619  .172  2.7   13.9  8.4   10.3  2.2  2.8  10.5  17.5  4.0  3.9  7.8   .163    4.1
18  A. Morrow	  SG  29  OKC  74  1806  14.8  .604  .528  .145  2.4   9.1   5.8   5.2   1.5  0.5  5.5   16.5  4.4  1.2  5.7   .151    1.2
22  W. Matthews	  SG  28  POR  60  2024  16.1  .586  .592  .193  2.1   9.5   5.9   10.8  1.9  0.4  9.0   19.8  4.0  2.2  6.2   .147    3.0
26  Alexey Shved  SG  26  TOT  42  767   19.5  .541  .415  .448  3.3   11.7  7.3   25.7  2.0  0.6  10.7  26.3  1.7  0.5  2.2   .135    0.5
40  Mar Belinelli SG  28  SAS  62  1388  12.4  .553  .489  .211  2.2   10.5  6.4   10.3  1.1  0.2  10.6  18.8  1.5  1.4  2.9   .100    0.5
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
1   DeA. Jordan	  C   26  LAC  82  2820  21.0  .638  .007  .882  16.2  32.4  24.5  3.2   1.5  5.4  12.8  13.6  7.4  5.4  12.8  .217    4.3
5   M. Gasol	  C   30  MEM  81  2687  21.7  .558  .016  .410  4.9   21.8  13.4  19.7  1.4  4.0  12.2  24.6  5.5  4.7  10.2  .182    4.6
8   A. Baynes	  C   28  SAS  70  1122  15.9  .618  .012  .318  11.2  20.7  16.1  4.9   0.7  1.5  14.8  17.8  2.3  1.6  3.9   .166    0.3
13  A. Ajinca	  C   26  NOP  68  957   19.9  .595  .000  .301  12.4  25.0  18.7  8.2   1.2  4.0  15.6  21.1  1.9  1.2  3.2   .159    0.5
14  Brook Lopez	  C   26  BRK  72  2100  22.7  .558  .010  .278  11.5  17.1  14.3  4.5   1.1  4.8  8.6   26.3  4.7  2.2  7.0   .159    1.1
15  B. Biyombo	  C   22  CHO  64  1243  15.2  .578  .000  .941  13.7  22.6  18.0  2.0   0.7  6.3  16.5  11.6  1.8  2.2  4.0   .155    0.5
19  R. Lopez	  C   26  POR  59  1638  16.2  .574  .002  .291  12.7  13.1  12.9  5.1   0.5  3.7  12.9  15.5  3.2  1.9  5.1   .150    1.7
23  Enes Kanter	  C   22  TOT  75  2135  20.3  .564  .048  .252  14.6  20.5  17.6  4.8   0.9  1.1  12.3  24.7  4.3  2.1  6.4   .145   -0.1
32  Joel Freeland C   27  POR  48  617   12.2  .522  .000  .166  11.0  21.9  16.6  3.8   0.7  2.7  12.4  13.4  0.6  0.9  1.6   .122    0.0
34  Omer Asik	  C   28  NOP  76  1982  15.5  .545  .000  .546  14.0  28.8  21.4  5.4   0.8  2.1  15.7  14.0  2.8  2.2  5.0   .120    0.6
35  Kosta Koufos  C   25  MEM  81  1348  14.2  .530  .000  .237  10.3  25.8  18.1  4.3   1.1  3.9  14.9  15.8  0.8  2.5  3.3   .118    0.2
37  Cole Aldrich  C   26  NYK  61  976   18.1  .513  .000  .213  11.6  28.9  20.0  13.3  2.0  5.5  15.2  18.3  0.8  1.4  2.2   .107    0.7
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
4   Bran. Wright  PF  27  TOT  75  1449	 20.4  .660  .008  .309  9.6   14.7  12.1  4.4   1.7  5.1  7.6   13.6  4.3  1.8  6.1   .202    2.0
6   M. Muscala	  PF  23  ATL  40  502   18.0  .608  .146  .166  12.2  14.8  13.5  8.0   1.6  3.2  11.5  16.7  1.2  0.7  1.9   .179    0.5
7   P. Millsap	  PF  29  ATL  73  2390  20.1  .565  .232  .362  6.9   20.0  13.6  15.4  2.8  2.4  13.3  23.8  4.0  4.3  8.3   .167    3.7
9   L. Aldridge	  PF  29  POR  71  2512  22.8  .528  .074  .256  7.7   22.9  15.5  9.2   1.0  1.9  7.2   30.2  4.9  3.7  8.6   .165    1.4
10  K. Love	  PF  26  CLE  75  2532  18.8  .562  .412  .337  6.5   26.3  16.6  10.7  1.0  1.2  10.0  21.7  5.8  2.9  8.7   .165    2.5
17  G. Monroe	  PF  24  DET  69  2137  21.2  .549  .000  .394  11.2  25.1  17.9  11.7  1.9  1.3  13.0  23.9  4.0  2.8  6.8   .153    2.1
21  Tri Thompson  PF  23  CLE  82  2194  15.6  .580  .000  .508  14.5  19.7  17.2  2.7   0.8  2.2  12.2  14.0  4.7  2.1  6.8   .148    0.8
24  Jon. Jerebko  PF  27  TOT  75  1230  15.0  .549  .369  .174  8.0   17.2  12.5  9.0   1.9  1.1  9.7   16.2  2.0  1.4  3.5   .135    0.9
25  K. Middleton  PF  23  MIL  79  2378  15.6  .563  .308  .180  2.3   14.3  8.4   12.7  2.6  0.4  10.8  19.9  3.2  3.5  6.7   .135    2.0
27  Brandon Bass  PF  29  BOS  82  1929  16.3  .557  .047  .313  7.8   14.9  11.3  8.6   1.1  1.3  9.6   19.5  3.4  1.9  5.3   .132    0.7
29  Lavoy Allen   PF  25  IND  63  1070  14.9  .493  .000  .157  12.8  20.5  16.7  10.9  0.7  3.1  11.1  15.2  1.3  1.6  2.8   .127    0.8
30  Amir Johnson  PF  27  TOR  75  1979  15.4  .603  .089  .249  9.3   17.3  13.3  9.4   1.1  2.4  16.0  15.7  3.5  1.6  5.1   .124    1.9
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
3   Kawhi Leonard SF  23  SAS  64  2033  22.0  .567  .234  .307  4.8   20.6  12.9  13.0  3.7  1.8  9.4   23.0  4.2  4.4  8.6   .204    4.1
12  Dray. Green	  SF  24  GSW  79  2490  16.4  .540  .430  .261  5.1   22.4  14.0  16.1  2.4  2.9  13.5  17.2  3.3  5.2  8.5   .163    4.4
16  D. Carroll	  SF  28  ATL  70  2189  15.9  .603  .466  .277  5.3   13.8  9.7   8.3   2.2  0.7  9.3   16.9  4.3  2.8  7.0   .154    2.7
28  Dorell Wright SF  29  POR  48  592   13.4  .525  .568  .221  2.6   17.2  10.0  10.2  1.7  1.3  7.9   17.1  0.7  0.8  1.6   .128    0.4
33  Tha Sefolosha SF  30  ATL  52  976   13.8  .506  .313  .233  6.4   19.3  13.1  11.2  2.8  1.8  12.2  14.6  0.8  1.7  2.5   .121    0.8
36  Jae Crowder   SF  24  TOT  82  1647  13.9  .517  .382  .259  4.7   14.9  9.7   8.6   2.2  1.2  7.5   17.5  1.9  2.0  3.9   .113    1.1
41  Tobias Harris SF  22  ORL  68  2369  16.7  .551  .252  .258  3.4   17.3  10.3  8.8   1.5  1.2  9.8   22.5  3.0  1.8  4.8   .098    1.0
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