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EwingsGlass
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Would Milwaukee sign and trade Khris Middleton for our rights to our Antekoumpo to pair with his brother? If so, would you do it?

I would, but Milwaukee won't. They match any offer for Middleton.

Knicks shouldn't do it because Thannassis can be as good as Giannis. Just bring up Thanassis.

Don't trade. Milwaukee won't match because Middleton is really a SG (Same as Giannnis)

I don't want Khris Middleton.

Great Deal. Get it done.

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4/25/2015 2:09 PM

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I think I am brilliant for this idea. Really want Middleton.

This is the Randle.

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4/25/2015 2:49 PM LAST EDITED: 4/25/2015 2:50 PM

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The rights yo a d league player for an all star caliber 2?

RIP Crushalot😞

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4/25/2015 2:55 PM

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Love Middleton. Nice idea but I think the Bucks know how good Middleton is and are very happy with what they have built so far. I think the Bucks will have no problem matching anything offered to Middleton. IMO we're gonna have to find another option at SG and there are some good low hanging fruits in this FA Market.

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
2 Jimmy Butler SG 25 CHI 65 2513 21.3 .583 .212 .508 5.1 11.2 8.2 14.4 2.3 1.0 7.7 21.6 8.2 3.0 11.2 .214 4.2
11 Danny Green SG 27 SAS 81 2312 16.5 .596 .619 .172 2.7 13.9 8.4 10.3 2.2 2.8 10.5 17.5 4.0 3.9 7.8 .163 4.1
18 A. Morrow SG 29 OKC 74 1806 14.8 .604 .528 .145 2.4 9.1 5.8 5.2 1.5 0.5 5.5 16.5 4.4 1.2 5.7 .151 1.2
22 W. Matthews SG 28 POR 60 2024 16.1 .586 .592 .193 2.1 9.5 5.9 10.8 1.9 0.4 9.0 19.8 4.0 2.2 6.2 .147 3.0
26 Alexey Shved SG 26 TOT 42 767 19.5 .541 .415 .448 3.3 11.7 7.3 25.7 2.0 0.6 10.7 26.3 1.7 0.5 2.2 .135 0.5
40 Mar Belinelli SG 28 SAS 62 1388 12.4 .553 .489 .211 2.2 10.5 6.4 10.3 1.1 0.2 10.6 18.8 1.5 1.4 2.9 .100 0.5

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
20 C. Joseph PG 23 SAS 79 1444 15.5 .564 .107 .348 3.5 11.4 7.5 19.7 1.6 0.9 12.4 17.0 2.7 1.8 4.5 .149 1.0
31 Goran Dragic PG 28 TOT 78 2640 17.4 .577 .258 .234 3.5 8.2 5.9 22.8 1.5 0.5 13.5 21.8 5.4 1.4 6.8 .123 2.1
38 Bran Knight PG 23 TOT 63 2035 17.1 .543 .361 .251 1.6 12.0 6.8 27.4 2.3 0.4 16.1 25.9 2.0 2.5 4.5 .106 1.6
39 Reg Jackson PG 24 TOT 77 2268 17.2 .511 .242 .219 2.6 12.9 7.8 34.8 1.4 0.3 14.6 24.6 3.3 1.7 4.9 .104 1.6

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
3 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 SAS 64 2033 22.0 .567 .234 .307 4.8 20.6 12.9 13.0 3.7 1.8 9.4 23.0 4.2 4.4 8.6 .204 4.1
12 Dray. Green SF 24 GSW 79 2490 16.4 .540 .430 .261 5.1 22.4 14.0 16.1 2.4 2.9 13.5 17.2 3.3 5.2 8.5 .163 4.4
16 D. Carroll SF 28 ATL 70 2189 15.9 .603 .466 .277 5.3 13.8 9.7 8.3 2.2 0.7 9.3 16.9 4.3 2.8 7.0 .154 2.7
28 Dorell Wright SF 29 POR 48 592 13.4 .525 .568 .221 2.6 17.2 10.0 10.2 1.7 1.3 7.9 17.1 0.7 0.8 1.6 .128 0.4
33 Tha Sefolosha SF 30 ATL 52 976 13.8 .506 .313 .233 6.4 19.3 13.1 11.2 2.8 1.8 12.2 14.6 0.8 1.7 2.5 .121 0.8
36 Jae Crowder SF 24 TOT 82 1647 13.9 .517 .382 .259 4.7 14.9 9.7 8.6 2.2 1.2 7.5 17.5 1.9 2.0 3.9 .113 1.1

I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to go for Middleton, but I have a feeling it will be a futile effort.

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4/25/2015 3:04 PM

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I would love to get Middleton but either you are smoking cracking or the Bucks would have to be smoking cracking if you think that deal is a possibility!

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4/25/2015 3:33 PM

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Blood is thicker than water...no?

Have to get a rumor started that Thanasis is severely depressed- perhaps his brother will help us out with this and go to the Bucks about acquiring him. If they turn him down he can then pretend to go into a deep depression, and the Bucks will finally give in for the sake of the young lives involves.

The only catch is if Middleton, with his small-town roots, becomes depressed thinking about a career in New York.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?

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4/25/2015 4:18 PM

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We haven't even seen Thanasis yet. He may develop into a great 2 way role player. He's already showing he brings energy and effort and he's developing his offensive game. I'm not saying he's a rising star which Middleton is starting to show, but We could keep Thanasis and still find a good SG with similar production of Middleton.

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4/25/2015 4:27 PM

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I like Middleton but I don't think Thanasis gets it done.

I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18

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4/25/2015 4:44 PM LAST EDITED: 4/25/2015 4:44 PM

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Middleton is one of the prime break out candidates in the league (a 2 way player to boot) and is almost guaranteed a max deal this summer and the Bucks are going to trade him for a d-leaguer who hasn't played one minute in the NBA? MIL would never do this deal, ever. It's brilliant, sure, if it was in any way feasible. Too bad it's completely past the bounds of reality. Doesn't matter that his bro is on the team their GM isn't all of a sudden a lobotomy victim.

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4/25/2015 6:29 PM

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This is not a trade it's a give away. Only way this is possible is if the bucks do not feel he is worth the mini max. So they choose to get a 2nd rounder and a huge type. Even if they don't want to pay Middleton it would likely take a future first for them to consider it.

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4/25/2015 8:51 PM

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BRIGGS wrote:The rights yo a d league player for an all star caliber 2?

Where they already have an all star caliber 2 in front of him in Giannis Antekoumpo. How many millions do you allocate to the SG position. They have a SG plying PF. Middleton starts at pf to keep him on the court. I am pulling heart strings and giving them Giannis' brother. He's an RFA just like Kanter. What's the difference in your analysis? That lets us get Kanter but not Middleton?

This is the Randle.

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4/25/2015 9:03 PM

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http://behindthebuckpass.com/2015/03/14/moneys-money-much-will-khris-middleton-make/

The Bucks fans appear to believe that management will match a mini-max for Middleton, but they are hoping not to. The real point of the analysis is to ask, home much return value do they need to get to let him go with a mini max offer. Honestly, I wouldn't let Middleton go. I would trade Giannis over Middleton.

With Giannis at $3MM at the 2 and Jabari Parker at 3MM at the 3, are they going to pay 16.75MM for a backup 2/3 or to continue starting a 6'7 player at the 4? My bet is no. I don't have to have the best assets, I Just have to get Khris to sign on the line that is dotted and then give the Bucks something to save face -- like another Antekoumpo...

This is the Randle.

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4/25/2015 9:21 PM

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I really do wonder what the Bucks would do if NY gave Middleton a max deal with opt out?

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4/25/2015 10:04 PM

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nixluva wrote:I really do wonder what the Bucks would do if NY gave Middleton a max deal with opt out?

Thats the only thing that could make them evaluate things is to offer a 2 yr 3rd opt. full mini max with trade kicker and player refusal after 1st yr(parsons' deal). That would mean his opt comes available the same year Giannis and MCW become RFAs. That would cause some problems if MCW and Giannis blow up. Who knows what the mini max might be in 2017.

EwingsGlass wrote:http://behindthebuckpass.com/2015/03/14/moneys-money-much-will-khris-middleton-make/
The Bucks fans appear to believe that management will match a mini-max for Middleton, but they are hoping not to. The real point of the analysis is to ask, home much return value do they need to get to let him go with a mini max offer. Honestly, I wouldn't let Middleton go. I would trade Giannis over Middleton.
With Giannis at $3MM at the 2 and Jabari Parker at 3MM at the 3, are they going to pay 16.75MM for a backup 2/3 or to continue starting a 6'7 player at the 4? My bet is no. I don't have to have the best assets, I Just have to get Khris to sign on the line that is dotted and then give the Bucks something to save face -- like another Antekoumpo...

you lost me, are you saying they think he is a back up? Also Giannis is a 3 and Parker could easily play the 4 which keeps Middleton at the 2. Ilyasova either continues to start ahead of Parker or backs him up.

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4/25/2015 10:53 PM

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Bucks are going to resign middleton

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better

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4/25/2015 11:39 PM

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yellowboy90 wrote:
nixluva wrote:I really do wonder what the Bucks would do if NY gave Middleton a max deal with opt out?
Thats the only thing that could make them evaluate things is to offer a 2 yr 3rd opt. full mini max with trade kicker and player refusal after 1st yr(parsons' deal). That would mean his opt comes available the same year Giannis and MCW become RFAs. That would cause some problems if MCW and Giannis blow up. Who knows what the mini max might be in 2017.
EwingsGlass wrote:http://behindthebuckpass.com/2015/03/14/moneys-money-much-will-khris-middleton-make/
The Bucks fans appear to believe that management will match a mini-max for Middleton, but they are hoping not to. The real point of the analysis is to ask, home much return value do they need to get to let him go with a mini max offer. Honestly, I wouldn't let Middleton go. I would trade Giannis over Middleton.
With Giannis at $3MM at the 2 and Jabari Parker at 3MM at the 3, are they going to pay 16.75MM for a backup 2/3 or to continue starting a 6'7 player at the 4? My bet is no. I don't have to have the best assets, I Just have to get Khris to sign on the line that is dotted and then give the Bucks something to save face -- like another Antekoumpo...
you lost me, are you saying they think he is a back up? Also Giannis is a 3 and Parker could easily play the 4 which keeps Middleton at the 2. Ilyasova either continues to start ahead of Parker or backs him up.

They play Middleton at the PF. I think they have some clutter of wealth at the 2/3.

This is the Randle.

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4/26/2015 12:14 AM

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EwingsGlass wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
nixluva wrote:I really do wonder what the Bucks would do if NY gave Middleton a max deal with opt out?
Thats the only thing that could make them evaluate things is to offer a 2 yr 3rd opt. full mini max with trade kicker and player refusal after 1st yr(parsons' deal). That would mean his opt comes available the same year Giannis and MCW become RFAs. That would cause some problems if MCW and Giannis blow up. Who knows what the mini max might be in 2017.
EwingsGlass wrote:http://behindthebuckpass.com/2015/03/14/moneys-money-much-will-khris-middleton-make/
The Bucks fans appear to believe that management will match a mini-max for Middleton, but they are hoping not to. The real point of the analysis is to ask, home much return value do they need to get to let him go with a mini max offer. Honestly, I wouldn't let Middleton go. I would trade Giannis over Middleton.
With Giannis at $3MM at the 2 and Jabari Parker at 3MM at the 3, are they going to pay 16.75MM for a backup 2/3 or to continue starting a 6'7 player at the 4? My bet is no. I don't have to have the best assets, I Just have to get Khris to sign on the line that is dotted and then give the Bucks something to save face -- like another Antekoumpo...
you lost me, are you saying they think he is a back up? Also Giannis is a 3 and Parker could easily play the 4 which keeps Middleton at the 2. Ilyasova either continues to start ahead of Parker or backs him up.
They play Middleton at the PF. I think they have some clutter of wealth at the 2/3.

they have moved him to the 2 since 2 months into the season. It is one of the things that increased his value. Their line up where middleton sg, ant sf, and dudley pf then when Ilyasova came back he moved into the 4. There isn't any real clutter now that middleton has went back to his college position.

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4/26/2015 12:26 AM

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They got rid of knight so they can have room to resign middleton

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4/27/2015 9:54 AM

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Love Middleton, but with the cap rising every single RFA is pretty much out of play this summer. Teams will re-sign guys unless they don't want them. Milwaukee wants Middleton.

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4/27/2015 8:18 PM

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This is a joke, right?

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come

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VCoug wrote:This is a joke, right?

I am not sure they match a max offer for him. Everyone else seems pretty certain that they will as Middleton appears to be the real deal, but the track record isn't there yet. Since they have Giannis who should be at the 2 and Jabari Parker who should be at the 3, it seemed to me that to max a guy who is a 2/3 might not be wise. They can certainly shift the lineup around. I don't think Thannassis is worth Middleton (not at all), but I figured if I gave Milwaukee a chance to save face on letting us take Middleton for the Max, by getting another Antekoumnpo, maybe the deal happens. I'm not so sure they match a max offer in any event.

This is the Randle.

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