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BRIGGS
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4/23/2015  1:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2015  1:53 PM

To have hands like that at 7-3 there is no one else like it. What a rare combination of mobility power size and length. Also in other videos he looks like he has a soft 8 footer and a nice jump hook

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4/23/2015  7:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2015  7:54 PM
Gobert 7-2 240 7-9 wingspan draft grade 90
23 years old

Last year in Euro 2013

Stats 8.4 points 5. 4 rebounds 1.9 blocks 72% in 21 minutes

Taveras 7-3 265 7-9 wingspan draft grade 88
23 years old
Stats 8.9 points 7.8 rebounds 1.9 blocks 72% in 21 minutes

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4/24/2015  10:43 AM
does Taveras have the same heart, intelligence and motivation as Gobert?
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4/24/2015  11:23 AM
callmened wrote:does Taveras have the same heart, intelligence and motivation as Gobert?

It may take 2-3 years but when he is all set--he will be a load on the defensive side of the ball as he can cover a LOT of ground--he can dismantle pick and roll and get back to cover the rim. Hes got bigger hands than Okafor and he snatches rebounds--he shoots his FTs well too-- pretty good for a guy who started playing at 18 at 70%. He has a soft hook small J but where he will do well is right around the basket--like Gobert he can dunk on his feet. I think Gobert might be more stable physically when I watch them both run. He has less weight and he runs the floor more fluidly but this guy hustles up and down the court as well. Ive read a lot about Atlanta the last week and I like everything they say about how they will develop players. The downside is they have a 60 win team--they will probably bring back most of their players as they have substantial cap space and the PT will be limited for him.

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4/24/2015  11:30 AM
callmened wrote:does Taveras have the same heart, intelligence and motivation as Gobert?

I would also question his instincts at this time.

He still seemed raw in the video Briggs posted in another thread on him.

He still might be a player who eventually matures into a fine player, but he is still an unfinished product at this time. I think Jackson wants a well-rounded player at the 5, and Taveras is definitely a project, with limited range and passing ability at this point.


For Briggs- what are you willing to give up for him? Seems like Atlanta has a nice situation with him playing against quality opponents overseas and learning the game. Maybe he plays for them in SL and they decide to sign him, maybe they let him play another year overseas. You would have to overpay for him and then hope that his potential is realized by 2017. Phil might want Taveras on the cheap- don't think he would gamble by overpaying for him.

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4/24/2015  11:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/24/2015  11:56 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
callmened wrote:does Taveras have the same heart, intelligence and motivation as Gobert?

I would also question his instincts at this time.

He still seemed raw in the video Briggs posted in another thread on him.

He still might be a player who eventually matures into a fine player, but he is still an unfinished product at this time. I think Jackson wants a well-rounded player at the 5, and Taveras is definitely a project, with limited range and passing ability at this point.


For Briggs- what are you willing to give up for him? Seems like Atlanta has a nice situation with him playing against quality opponents overseas and learning the game. Maybe he plays for them in SL and they decide to sign him, maybe they let him play another year overseas. You would have to overpay for him and then hope that his potential is realized by 2017. Phil might want Taveras on the cheap- don't think he would gamble by overpaying for him.


Walt--Gobert is still raw too--but also dominates what he can do. Its hard to match a guy who puts his hands up and they extend past the rim. This guy is a hard worker--he's a good read--many articles on him. Hes a good kid who wants to work hard. I think Atlanta must like his development in just 1 year where he has gone from a player who helps(thats probbaly why they got him at 43) to an MVP of an entire league on a team that has won 20 of 21 games in The Euro Cup(probably why is value is more like a lottery pick now). He played in both the Spanish league and Euro and his numbers are basically the same close to a double double with 2 blocks and high FG% in 20 minutes. Very high potential and i think his curve will be like Gobert's. The Hawks have made a good relationship with him and his agent--Im not sure they are trading him unless its a deal that is something that would be hard to say no.
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4/24/2015  12:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/24/2015  12:03 PM

Rudy Gobert doesnt need to knwo how to shoot--it doesnt really matter. If he can keep his FT shooting at 60-70% thats all he needs because he plays pattycake at the rim no one can stop it hes got good hands for rebounding and timing for shot blocking. Thats what I see Taveras doing. If these guys develop a hook into their mid 20's--stuff like that--that could make them even more dominant. BUt right now defense rebounding and opportunistic offense works well.

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4/24/2015  12:02 PM
The more reason why a second pick is needed.
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4/24/2015  12:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:

Rudy Gobert doesnt need to knwo how to shoot--it doesnt really matter. If he can keep his FT shooting at 60-70% thats all he needs because he plays pattycake at the rim no one can stop it hes got good hands for rebounding and timing for shot blocking. Thats what I see Taveras doing. If these guys develop a hook into their mid 20's--stuff like that--that could make them even more dominant. BUt right now defense rebounding and opportunistic offense works well.

Thats what I'm hoping Towns will do....

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4/24/2015  12:17 PM
From DX
avares exceeded all expectations this season relative to his experience-level and the quality of the competition he faced in arguably the toughest domestic league in Europe, as the starting center of a team currently in fifth place in the ACB.

Listed at 220cm (a hair under 7-3), Tavares has fantastic size to go along with a huge wingspan and extremely large hands. He moves well for a player his size, running the floor awkwardly but effectively, showing nice agility in his ability to set screens and dive to the rim, and also being extremely mobile defensively.

Tavares' biggest appeal as a NBA prospect lies in his ability to protect the paint. He blocks shots at a very nice rate, ranking #1 overall in the ACB on a per-game basis and third-best per-minute. He does a great job of hedging pick and rolls and recovering, something you rarely see from a player this size, and is still able to be very effective as a weakside rim-protector due to his mobility, length, terrific timing and instincts.

Tavares is also an excellent rebounder on both ends of the floor, which is unique considering the work he does as a weak-side shot-blocker. The 12.8 rebounds he averages per-40 minutes ranks fourth in the ACB, with a good share of them coming on the offensive end (4.5 per-40). He boxes out well, shows a high activity level, and uses his incredibly long arms, huge hands and excellent timing to clean the glass effectively, despite not being very vertical.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3YFC057Y7
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4/24/2015  12:22 PM
blkexec wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:

Rudy Gobert doesnt need to knwo how to shoot--it doesnt really matter. If he can keep his FT shooting at 60-70% thats all he needs because he plays pattycake at the rim no one can stop it hes got good hands for rebounding and timing for shot blocking. Thats what I see Taveras doing. If these guys develop a hook into their mid 20's--stuff like that--that could make them even more dominant. BUt right now defense rebounding and opportunistic offense works well.

Thats what I'm hoping Towns will do....

Towns is more of a skill player--much more skilled than Gobert but again Gobert is probably like 4+ inches taller and has 4-6 inches in wingspan. Right now I think Towns is around 6-10 1/4 hes clearly shorter than WCS.

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4/24/2015  3:55 PM
two years away from being two years away...
This guys going to be a star in the nBA for 10 years

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