Then, front court help, and in a myriad of ways.

We need to add at least 3 impact players this summer. Not necessarily all stars, but players that can make a positive contribution on either end of the court.

BRIGGS wrote:#1 We need a post player who can consistently give us 20 points and 10 rebounds and do it in and out.
#2 We need two additional post players one of which is a rim protector
#3 We need to add to our guard corp of Galloway Hardaway Schveyd--we need 2-3 more guards who can shoot it drive it and play D--one from the PG.

If we address these three things and get Carmelo back--we will be on the serious mend. One thing I see from the ECF--the quickest way to be good to counter a team like Cleveland is to have guys who can dominate the pivot. We will not have guys who can counter Kyrie Irving or Lebron James in the near future--no one on earth can do that. But they are vulnerable inside and when you can exploit teams inside--you can open up the attack from the perimeter. I really belive you need to have a guy you can throw the ball into the paint and score at 50% but can also step out and pull the D out with him. Thats why I see so much value in Kanter--Kanter is made to dominate the ECF--there are no counter player for him in this conference from the 4.

newyorker4ever wrote:We need a 1 a 2 a 4 and a 5 unless we play Melo at the 4 instead of the 3 then we would need a 1 a 2 a 3 and a 5. Got that???

New York supporters need to wake up to the fact we are the worst team in the league. We are not one or two players away. We are an expansion franchise with a lead player coming off season ending knee surgery. We are not a step away from being a playoff team. We are not respected or feared in our own building. We are lottery.

We need everything.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:#1 We need a post player who can consistently give us 20 points and 10 rebounds and do it in and out.
#2 We need two additional post players one of which is a rim protector
#3 We need to add to our guard corp of Galloway Hardaway Schveyd--we need 2-3 more guards who can shoot it drive it and play D--one from the PG.

If we address these three things and get Carmelo back--we will be on the serious mend. One thing I see from the ECF--the quickest way to be good to counter a team like Cleveland is to have guys who can dominate the pivot. We will not have guys who can counter Kyrie Irving or Lebron James in the near future--no one on earth can do that. But they are vulnerable inside and when you can exploit teams inside--you can open up the attack from the perimeter. I really belive you need to have a guy you can throw the ball into the paint and score at 50% but can also step out and pull the D out with him. Thats why I see so much value in Kanter--Kanter is made to dominate the ECF--there are no counter player for him in this conference from the 4.

I hope they keep Shved and I wouldn't mind if they traded Hardaway. Shved is a tough call. It would have been nice to see him play with Melo. I thought he looked really good for the Knicks but I don't know if they will pay him.

Of course everything will be impacted by the draft. once we know where we'll be drafting that will set up everything else in terms of Free Agency. We do need bigs and guards. I would say we have the SF covered, but PF, C and guard is where the big needs are. Phil's goals become much clearer once we draft.

misterearl wrote:Exactly

newyorker4ever wrote:We need a 1 a 2 a 4 and a 5 unless we play Melo at the 4 instead of the 3 then we would need a 1 a 2 a 3 and a 5. Got that???

New York supporters need to wake up to the fact we are the worst team in the league. We are not one or two players away. We are an expansion franchise with a lead player coming off season ending knee surgery. We are not a step away from being a playoff team. We are not respected or feared in our own building. We are lottery.

We need everything.

misterearl wrote:Please Stop

nixluva wrote:

misterearl wrote:Exactly

newyorker4ever wrote:We need a 1 a 2 a 4 and a 5 unless we play Melo at the 4 instead of the 3 then we would need a 1 a 2 a 3 and a 5. Got that???

New York supporters need to wake up to the fact we are the worst team in the league. We are not one or two players away. We are an expansion franchise with a lead player coming off season ending knee surgery. We are not a step away from being a playoff team. We are not respected or feared in our own building. We are lottery.

We need everything.

Let's not overstate the issue. The key is rebuilding the top 6 rotation. We have some capable role players for the back of the rotation. What we're looking to do is upgrade the top of the rotation. Melo, Schved, Galloway are rotation players IMO. So we're talking about adding another 3-4 quality players to round out the top of the rotation. People keep exaggerating the situation. Yes we stunk this year, but in the NBA it is possible to upgrade a team significantly in one off season. They may not be title contenders but it is possible to improve this roster a great deal.

nixluva - your optimism knows no bounds and that is just the byproduct of looking at things in a vacuuum. We may upgrade the team, but that is what EVERY franchise seeks to do. Upgrade. From championship team on down, every franchise uses the of season to get better.

If we were in a situation where the Knicks got the "upgrade" and everyone else stood pat, it would be lovely. Sadly, that is not the case. Upgrading does not make you better, it only means you are not falling further behind. There is not a single player on our roster that is coveted by another team. That should be all you need to remember.

Yes, Uncle Phil will improve the roster. He better. Winning fewer games would not be a good look.

It is true that all teams look to try and improve every off season. Not every team will be successful in improving this summer. That's not how it works. Some teams are capped out. Some are too young and only looking to build thru the draft. Some teams have bad management and no direction. I think this team is actually in a very good position. I think that there are enough quality FA's this summer that this team should be able to revamp the roster to a nice degree.

The Knicks are in a sweet spot of having a top 5 pick and cap space while at the same time still retaining their All Star player. It's not the case that the Knicks are starting completely from scratch. It's entirely possible that this team will be significantly better next season with the right additions. But it's only the beginning of the process. It's not all on next year as if we have to win a title next season. We could however see a very good improvement in this roster this summer. There are no guarantees, but let's not assume that this team will be languishing in the basement of the NBA just based off of this season.

misterearl wrote:Sweet Spot?

nixluva - we are starting the race at the back of the pack. The premise is that the turnaround, in the win column, not on paper, will be a gradual one. Yes, the future will look bright on draft day. The free agent signings will be exciting. It will be fun and hope will be alive and well.

Only one problem... our guys still gotta lace up the converse/ nike/ adidas shoes and win some basketball games to earn respect.

That is a process that will require approximately the same amount of time required by the 1973 Philadelphia 76ers.

You keep saying this but that doesn't make it true!

Your premise about the Knicks starting from the back of the bus is flawed. It would really only make sense if we were doing a traditional rebuild were we drafted in successive years and waited for those players to develop. That is NOT what we're doing. We're not Minnesota or even Philly. The Knicks are going to be buyers in the FA market and that is how they intend to build. There are a good number of above average Free Agents that will be available. This is why I created the Win Share 48 thread, so that everyone could clearly see how many quality players there actually will be available this summer.

Outside of the draft we'll be looking to add starting quality players. We already have some good role players who will be able to slide back into their proper roles and minutes. We don't have to add 10 new players in order to make significant improvement.

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:Sweet Spot?

nixluva - we are starting the race at the back of the pack. The premise is that the turnaround, in the win column, not on paper, will be a gradual one. Yes, the future will look bright on draft day. The free agent signings will be exciting. It will be fun and hope will be alive and well.

Only one problem... our guys still gotta lace up the converse/ nike/ adidas shoes and win some basketball games to earn respect.

That is a process that will require approximately the same amount of time required by the 1973 Philadelphia 76ers.

Expectations reduce joy.
If one will expect Knicks to miraculously became good fast he is up to disappointment.
If one expect team to get better slow and steady it will be no reason to be disappointed and he can enjoy the team.
Moreover the club can get lucky and this will bring even more excitement...
So Nix - why set yourself for misery?