nixluva wrote:I LOVE Winslow. He's a winning player. You're dead on with the Butler and Kahwi comparison. This kid has that it factor and a drive and feel for the game that is top notch. Winslow was the X Factor for his team and he also reminds me a bit of Draymond Green. A guy that just does everything for his team. He's not the Primary option but he's that perfect Scotty Pippen type that will make your star look even better.

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Russell Okafor Mudiay all have some kind of flaw--they also have potentially better pure offensive skills. But Winslow has no true flaw. The only thing you ask what is his true position? These other guys are more defined position wise but it doesnt mean that Winslow might not just be the best all a round player out of all of them. Very VERY difficult decision for Knicks. You know in all of these years we really did not have the choices that we "might" have as long as were reasonably lucky. The one thing with Winslow is that he can shoot the three and handle the rock beyond his superior athletic talent and the fact hes a physical specimen. He's the ONLY true ballhandler in the entire draft over 225--meaning a guy who can go end to end with the dribble and he plays as hard as anyone in this draft. He could be the draft steal even high--I dont see bust in anyway with him. He might take some time to define himself and ultimately he might not be as good as a few others but this is the hard part to determine--we wont see the closed door workouts the teams will see.

WaltLongmire wrote:Geez, Briggs, you're like a kid whose been told by his parent that you only buy one piece of candy at Economy Candy in Manhattan, and you're finding it difficult to choose as you walk about the store looking at all that corn syrup and sugar.

You'll have a lot of trouble making it to the actual draft with your sanity if we're picking at #3, which just might end up being the most difficult to choose from when all is said and done, especially if Towns and OK4 are already chosen.

Seems like a good amount of talent available, though. Even if we make a "mistake," we still get a future contributor.

I agree 3 will be utterly confusing. I honestly don't know the answer--depends on who I watch next I guess. But I cant see anyone else being dead set either even if they think one way. We won't see the final tests so to speak--fans will be in the dark. But ultimately I think you are dead on--I dont see a bust anywhere near where we are picking. I think our bust factor is honestly zero and the chance of getting a really good player is very high.

Finestrg wrote:Dynamite player. Reminds me of James Harden a lot. Interested to see if he goes somewhere where he gets a carte blanche green light to pump up shots like Harden does. That may not come right away but I could see him developing into that same type of volume scorer in the NBA eventually...Skilled, big, strong tough wing...Agree -- bust potential is virtually nil.

If we took Winslow, what role do you guys see him fulfilling right away? Starting 2G? Off the bench? Sixth man??

As for where he plays? Let training camp sort that out. 6th man seems ideal because he can defend a few spots probably right out of the game. He's got a bonafide man's body. 6th man makes sense but that will sort itself out in time.

He can play the 2 or the 3 in the league. I think probably a 3 is where he'll settle in, but it'll depend on the style of play.

I agree that after Towns and OK4 go 1, 2, 3-5 with Russell, Mudiay and Winslow might be a toss up that comes down to workouts and team preference.

I still prefer Russell, but I'd have no problem if the Knicks wound up with Winslow.

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I've been saying Winslow is a Kawhi Leonard type for a while now. He just does everything well. I see him as a perfect Spur - which is a high compliment.

He can play the 2 or the 3 in the league. I think probably a 3 is where he'll settle in, but it'll depend on the style of play.

I agree that after Towns and OK4 go 1, 2, 3-5 with Russell, Mudiay and Winslow might be a toss up that comes down to workouts and team preference.

I still prefer Russell, but I'd have no problem if the Knicks wound up with Winslow.

Nobody knows what Phil is thinking besides the fact that he wants a big man that can play defense. So after Towns we have absolutely no idea what Phil's board would look like. Does he think OK4 can get better on defense? If he misses on Towns would he rather trade down to get a big man and a eXtra pick? Does he want a PG to play with Melo over a OK4? Does he want a two way player like a Winslow more than he'd want a PG to play the 2/3 spot. Does he like one of the two European guys over the PG's or OK4? There's a lot of questions that nobody on here knows the answers to about Phil's way of thinking. We know he wants someone who fits his system more than anything else so just because we think someone should be chosen doesn't mean he sees that player as the fit he wants. Everyone is discounting the European guys because they don't know much about them but I wouldn't rule anything out with Phil cause he has a different way of thinking and doing things.

I hope Phil puts his system ish to the side on draft night and drafts the best available talent.

Would people have thought Pippen would be a perfect Triangle player before he played in it? What about Shaq? Shaq can't shoot and supposedly the big man must shoot in the Triangle.

I hope Phil takes the best player on the board and teaches him how to play in the Triangle.

Winslow, I think, would be a good Triangle candidate because he comes from a system at Duke and he seems smart. I can't see a system where he wouldn't be a good basketball player.

I don't know if he has an "all-star" ceiling like some of the guys... but Kawhi Lenoard hasn't been an all-star yet, I don't think.

You get into trouble in the draft if you try to outsmart people. See, for example, ISiah taking Renaldo Balkman over Rondo and Lowry. Just take the best damn player at the draft and figure it out later. We don't have a single position on the floor where a 20 year old young stud couldn't help. Take the best damn player.

crzymdups wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I've been saying Winslow is a Kawhi Leonard type for a while now. He just does everything well. I see him as a perfect Spur - which is a high compliment.

He can play the 2 or the 3 in the league. I think probably a 3 is where he'll settle in, but it'll depend on the style of play.

I agree that after Towns and OK4 go 1, 2, 3-5 with Russell, Mudiay and Winslow might be a toss up that comes down to workouts and team preference.

I still prefer Russell, but I'd have no problem if the Knicks wound up with Winslow.

Nobody knows what Phil is thinking besides the fact that he wants a big man that can play defense. So after Towns we have absolutely no idea what Phil's board would look like. Does he think OK4 can get better on defense? If he misses on Towns would he rather trade down to get a big man and a eXtra pick? Does he want a PG to play with Melo over a OK4? Does he want a two way player like a Winslow more than he'd want a PG to play the 2/3 spot. Does he like one of the two European guys over the PG's or OK4? There's a lot of questions that nobody on here knows the answers to about Phil's way of thinking. We know he wants someone who fits his system more than anything else so just because we think someone should be chosen doesn't mean he sees that player as the fit he wants. Everyone is discounting the European guys because they don't know much about them but I wouldn't rule anything out with Phil cause he has a different way of thinking and doing things.

I hope Phil puts his system ish to the side on draft night and drafts the best available talent.

Would people have thought Pippen would be a perfect Triangle player before he played in it? What about Shaq? Shaq can't shoot and supposedly the big man must shoot in the Triangle.

I hope Phil takes the best player on the board and teaches him how to play in the Triangle.

Winslow, I think, would be a good Triangle candidate because he comes from a system at Duke and he seems smart. I can't see a system where he wouldn't be a good basketball player.

I don't know if he has an "all-star" ceiling like some of the guys... but Kawhi Lenoard hasn't been an all-star yet, I don't think.

You get into trouble in the draft if you try to outsmart people. See, for example, ISiah taking Renaldo Balkman over Rondo and Lowry. Just take the best damn player at the draft and figure it out later. We don't have a single position on the floor where a 20 year old young stud couldn't help. Take the best damn player.

I agree, but it is very hard to know who is or will be the best player after just one year of college competition. If I were one of the folks selecting, I would aim to draft a player who is MORE complete over just an athletically gifted type or a dude who is only good at one thing on the floor.

fishmike wrote:Pip was probably perfect, and Shaq was great because of his passing.. I mean some people talk about the triangle like these guys are playing a different sport. Its still hoops! I mean when you watched those teams did it *look* like they were running a vastly different offense? I mean sure you see less P&R and move give and go things always break down at some point and you need good players. Its not like the Princeton weave... but yea man, Im all for the BPA. We need building blocks

Pip turned into the perfect Triangle player - to be honest Winslow has some Pippen qualities... but how many guys get compared to Pippen and honestly he's one of those guys I don't know if there will ever be another one exactly like him.

But, yeah, exactly - basketball is basketball. Take the best damn player. I worry Phil gets too caught up in the qualities that make a guy a good candidate for the Triangle or not.