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4/17/2015  9:46 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2015/mockdraft
Nice tool to play with, predicting how the NBA lottery will turn out. I ran it 10 times and came away feeling good about our chances of landing in the top 4 spots. Below are my results after runing it 10 times.

Pick 4. Winslow
Pick 3. Mudiay
Pick 1. Towns
Pick 3. OK4 (Philly took Mudiay at 2)
Pick 4. Winslow
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 1. Towns
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 2. Mudiay

Towns was first in all 10 trials. OK4 was second most of the time, except for pick 3 and pick 2 where they passed on OK4 and took Mudiay.

The point is not who they selected. But the fact that I got no less than pick 4.....Which is good because this draft is solid with the first 5 picks. Usually Russell was selected 5th!

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4/17/2015  9:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/17/2015  9:53 AM
blkexec wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2015/mockdraft
Nice tool to play with, predicting how the NBA lottery will turn out. I ran it 10 times and came away feeling good about our chances of landing in the top 4 spots. Below are my results after runing it 10 times.

Pick 4. Winslow
Pick 3. Mudiay
Pick 1. Towns
Pick 3. OK4 (Philly took Mudiay at 2)
Pick 4. Winslow
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 1. Towns
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 2. Mudiay

Towns was first in all 10 trials. OK4 was second most of the time, except for pick 3 and pick 2 where they passed on OK4 and took Mudiay.

The point is not who they selected. But the fact that I got no less than pick 4.....Which is good because this draft is solid with the first 5 picks. Usually Russell was selected 5th!

I ran it another 5 times, and realized a pattern and how they rank who we will select.

This is the tools ranking for what the knicks are looking for. Which is why Mudiay's name comes up so much.

Towns
Mudiay
Winslow

Thats very different from what people were saying around here. But if you think about it, it makes since. Mudiay has that Kobe Bryant or MJ potential. Winslow is that Scotty Pipen type. Towns is just a potential beast waiting to blossom.....Kind of a mix between Gasol and Shaq.

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4/17/2015  9:57 AM
I ran it ten times and this is what I got.

These are all just based off Chad Ford's mock drafts. He's had the distinction of getting EVERY SINGLE PICK in the first round wrong before - so I wouldn't trust too much about it. Except the math for the picks part is probably accurate. I pick #1 three times, pick #3 three times, pick #4 three times and pick #5 once.

1) Pick 5 - Winslow
2) Pick 1 - Towns
3) Pick 4 - Winslow
4) Pick 3 - Mudiay
5) Pick 3 - Okafor
6) Pick 1 - Towns
7) Pick 4 - Winslow
8) Pick 3 - Mudiay
9) Pick 1 - Towns
10) Pick 4 - Winslow

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4/17/2015  9:57 AM
My prediction is 3 or 4 which means russell mudiay and winslow which would be very good choices. Russell is my main choice other than towns
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4/17/2015  9:58 AM
with a top 5 pick we are getting one of the best young players in the world. Its great. I just hope whoever we pick doesnt get the injury (Greg Oden/Danny Manning/Derrick Rose/etc etc) bug. That would be hard luck to stomach but you cant plan for that. Just do the research and make the pick
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4/17/2015  9:58 AM
The idea that the Knicks would get pick 2 and select Mudiay and leave Okafor on the board is pretty insane. Even for Chad Ford.
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4/17/2015  10:01 AM
crzymdups wrote:I ran it ten times and this is what I got.

These are all just based off Chad Ford's mock drafts. He's had the distinction of getting EVERY SINGLE PICK in the first round wrong before - so I wouldn't trust too much about it. Except the math for the picks part is probably accurate. I pick #1 three times, pick #3 three times, pick #4 three times and pick #5 once.

1) Pick 5 - Winslow
2) Pick 1 - Towns
3) Pick 4 - Winslow
4) Pick 3 - Mudiay
5) Pick 3 - Okafor
6) Pick 1 - Towns
7) Pick 4 - Winslow
8) Pick 3 - Mudiay
9) Pick 1 - Towns
10) Pick 4 - Winslow

Seems like worst case, our pick will be either 3 or 4

That means once OK4 and Towns is off the board, who do you pick? Unless Philly passes on OK4 for Mudiay or Russell.

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4/17/2015  10:02 AM
crzymdups wrote:I ran it ten times and this is what I got.

These are all just based off Chad Ford's mock drafts. He's had the distinction of getting EVERY SINGLE PICK in the first round wrong before - so I wouldn't trust too much about it. Except the math for the picks part is probably accurate. I pick #1 three times, pick #3 three times, pick #4 three times and pick #5 once.

1) Pick 5 - Winslow
2) Pick 1 - Towns
3) Pick 4 - Winslow
4) Pick 3 - Mudiay
5) Pick 3 - Okafor
6) Pick 1 - Towns
7) Pick 4 - Winslow
8) Pick 3 - Mudiay
9) Pick 1 - Towns
10) Pick 4 - Winslow

I will always remember Chad's pre-draft article saying he knows it wont happen because of the Lebron hype, but that teams should really consider that Darko is the best player in the draft.

Im sure he's put some good info out there but Ive never been impressed by him

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4/17/2015  10:05 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:My prediction is 3 or 4 which means russell mudiay and winslow which would be very good choices. Russell is my main choice other than towns

Now thats a hard choice.....I have a feeling 1 of these 3 guys will be an NBA superstar.

I think Winslow is a nice Scotty Pipen type. He can score and guard the best player....or just make the right play. Mudiay and Russell have a lot of holes that are risky. But I would be happy with either of them. Basically, any of the top 5 is good with me.

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4/17/2015  10:07 AM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I ran it ten times and this is what I got.

These are all just based off Chad Ford's mock drafts. He's had the distinction of getting EVERY SINGLE PICK in the first round wrong before - so I wouldn't trust too much about it. Except the math for the picks part is probably accurate. I pick #1 three times, pick #3 three times, pick #4 three times and pick #5 once.

1) Pick 5 - Winslow
2) Pick 1 - Towns
3) Pick 4 - Winslow
4) Pick 3 - Mudiay
5) Pick 3 - Okafor
6) Pick 1 - Towns
7) Pick 4 - Winslow
8) Pick 3 - Mudiay
9) Pick 1 - Towns
10) Pick 4 - Winslow

I will always remember Chad's pre-draft article saying he knows it wont happen because of the Lebron hype, but that teams should really consider that Darko is the best player in the draft.

Im sure he's put some good info out there but Ive never been impressed by him

Yup. Darko was still picked before Melo, Bosh and Wade. I hope Chad got a cut of Darko's rookie deal!

I just hope we get a player. I wouldn't even mind Winslow. I think that kid will be very good. I'm starting to come around to the idea that Okafor would be the perfect offensive pairing with Melo. Though I don't know what we'd do about defense.

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4/17/2015  10:12 AM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I ran it ten times and this is what I got.

These are all just based off Chad Ford's mock drafts. He's had the distinction of getting EVERY SINGLE PICK in the first round wrong before - so I wouldn't trust too much about it. Except the math for the picks part is probably accurate. I pick #1 three times, pick #3 three times, pick #4 three times and pick #5 once.

1) Pick 5 - Winslow
2) Pick 1 - Towns
3) Pick 4 - Winslow
4) Pick 3 - Mudiay
5) Pick 3 - Okafor
6) Pick 1 - Towns
7) Pick 4 - Winslow
8) Pick 3 - Mudiay
9) Pick 1 - Towns
10) Pick 4 - Winslow

I will always remember Chad's pre-draft article saying he knows it wont happen because of the Lebron hype, but that teams should really consider that Darko is the best player in the draft.

Im sure he's put some good info out there but Ive never been impressed by him

Yup. Darko was still picked before Melo, Bosh and Wade. I hope Chad got a cut of Darko's rookie deal!

I just hope we get a player. I wouldn't even mind Winslow. I think that kid will be very good. I'm starting to come around to the idea that Okafor would be the perfect offensive pairing with Melo. Though I don't know what we'd do about defense.

To me, the perfect pairing with Melo, is somebody that compliments his weakness. OK4 doesn't do that, but he enhances Melo's strengths. Still have the same holes with or without OK4, and thats defense and rebounding. He would be a good pickup, similar to the Giants selecting ODBjr with a high pick, eventhough we have Victor C. Selecting OK4 is like buying insurance for Melo's health or future trades. He fills that gap whenever Melo is out. And gives us 2 players that can't be guarded 1 on 1. OK4's defense is his offense. He will get players in foul trouble. But defense and free throws are the 2 weaknesses I hate to see in a player. You should never be weak in those two areas at the same time. (Free throw and Defense). If we pick OK4, I hope he proves me wrong.

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4/17/2015  10:15 AM
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blkexec wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2015/mockdraft
Nice tool to play with, predicting how the NBA lottery will turn out. I ran it 10 times and came away feeling good about our chances of landing in the top 4 spots. Below are my results after runing it 10 times.

Pick 4. Winslow
Pick 3. Mudiay
Pick 1. Towns
Pick 3. OK4 (Philly took Mudiay at 2)
Pick 4. Winslow
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 1. Towns
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 2. Mudiay

Towns was first in all 10 trials. OK4 was second most of the time, except for pick 3 and pick 2 where they passed on OK4 and took Mudiay.

The point is not who they selected. But the fact that I got no less than pick 4.....Which is good because this draft is solid with the first 5 picks. Usually Russell was selected 5th!

I ran it another 5 times, and realized a pattern and how they rank who we will select.

This is the tools ranking for what the knicks are looking for. Which is why Mudiay's name comes up so much.

Towns
Mudiay
Winslow

Thats very different from what people were saying around here. But if you think about it, it makes since. Mudiay has that Kobe Bryant or MJ potential. Winslow is that Scotty Pipen type. Towns is just a potential beast waiting to blossom.....Kind of a mix between Gasol and Shaq.

That is my exact top 3
1.Towns
2.Mudiay
3.Winslow
4.OK4
5.Russell
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4/17/2015  10:19 AM
blkexec wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I ran it ten times and this is what I got.

These are all just based off Chad Ford's mock drafts. He's had the distinction of getting EVERY SINGLE PICK in the first round wrong before - so I wouldn't trust too much about it. Except the math for the picks part is probably accurate. I pick #1 three times, pick #3 three times, pick #4 three times and pick #5 once.

1) Pick 5 - Winslow
2) Pick 1 - Towns
3) Pick 4 - Winslow
4) Pick 3 - Mudiay
5) Pick 3 - Okafor
6) Pick 1 - Towns
7) Pick 4 - Winslow
8) Pick 3 - Mudiay
9) Pick 1 - Towns
10) Pick 4 - Winslow

I will always remember Chad's pre-draft article saying he knows it wont happen because of the Lebron hype, but that teams should really consider that Darko is the best player in the draft.

Im sure he's put some good info out there but Ive never been impressed by him

Yup. Darko was still picked before Melo, Bosh and Wade. I hope Chad got a cut of Darko's rookie deal!

I just hope we get a player. I wouldn't even mind Winslow. I think that kid will be very good. I'm starting to come around to the idea that Okafor would be the perfect offensive pairing with Melo. Though I don't know what we'd do about defense.

To me, the perfect pairing with Melo, is somebody that compliments his weakness. OK4 doesn't do that, but he enhances Melo's strengths. Still have the same holes with or without OK4, and thats defense and rebounding. He would be a good pickup, similar to the Giants selecting ODBjr with a high pick, eventhough we have Victor C. Selecting OK4 is like buying insurance for Melo's health or future trades. He fills that gap whenever Melo is out. And gives us 2 players that can't be guarded 1 on 1. OK4's defense is his offense. He will get players in foul trouble. But defense and free throws are the 2 weaknesses I hate to see in a player. You should never be weak in those two areas at the same time. (Free throw and Defense). If we pick OK4, I hope he proves me wrong.

I said perfect offensive pairing. I could see OK4 and Melo developing an absolutely devastating inside-out game in the Triangle.

The defense would be... hard to envision.

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4/17/2015  10:23 AM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I ran it ten times and this is what I got.

These are all just based off Chad Ford's mock drafts. He's had the distinction of getting EVERY SINGLE PICK in the first round wrong before - so I wouldn't trust too much about it. Except the math for the picks part is probably accurate. I pick #1 three times, pick #3 three times, pick #4 three times and pick #5 once.

1) Pick 5 - Winslow
2) Pick 1 - Towns
3) Pick 4 - Winslow
4) Pick 3 - Mudiay
5) Pick 3 - Okafor
6) Pick 1 - Towns
7) Pick 4 - Winslow
8) Pick 3 - Mudiay
9) Pick 1 - Towns
10) Pick 4 - Winslow

I will always remember Chad's pre-draft article saying he knows it wont happen because of the Lebron hype, but that teams should really consider that Darko is the best player in the draft.

Im sure he's put some good info out there but Ive never been impressed by him

Yup. Darko was still picked before Melo, Bosh and Wade. I hope Chad got a cut of Darko's rookie deal!

I just hope we get a player. I wouldn't even mind Winslow. I think that kid will be very good. I'm starting to come around to the idea that Okafor would be the perfect offensive pairing with Melo. Though I don't know what we'd do about defense.

I think a guy like OK4 will make adding defense easy. He's just sooo good on offense and he boxes out like he's been a pro for a decade. Even if we overpaid for some defensive guys I do think a lineup like this could pull a worst to first in this division:
C Robin Lopez
PF OK4
SF Melo
SG DemarCarrol
PG Jose
bench: Galloway, Shved, Cole, etc, etc
You could start a guy like Galloway and that line up would be huge, able to score easily and dominate the glass. I actually like Jose to facilitate and as a shooter, but if he's not in the cards play Shved or Galloway there.
I would pretty excited to see that team if healthy.

Regardless we are gettin guys in FA, we are getting a blue chip player in the draft, and we have a GM/Pres who is really focused on long athletic guys who play both ends and is hell bent on establishing a style of play

Isnt this what we have been pining for like 15 years?

We are ALL lottery tools! Looking forward to letting it play out.

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4/17/2015  10:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/17/2015  10:28 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
blkexec wrote:
blkexec wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2015/mockdraft
Nice tool to play with, predicting how the NBA lottery will turn out. I ran it 10 times and came away feeling good about our chances of landing in the top 4 spots. Below are my results after runing it 10 times.

Pick 4. Winslow
Pick 3. Mudiay
Pick 1. Towns
Pick 3. OK4 (Philly took Mudiay at 2)
Pick 4. Winslow
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 1. Towns
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 2. Mudiay

Towns was first in all 10 trials. OK4 was second most of the time, except for pick 3 and pick 2 where they passed on OK4 and took Mudiay.

The point is not who they selected. But the fact that I got no less than pick 4.....Which is good because this draft is solid with the first 5 picks. Usually Russell was selected 5th!

I ran it another 5 times, and realized a pattern and how they rank who we will select.

This is the tools ranking for what the knicks are looking for. Which is why Mudiay's name comes up so much.

Towns
Mudiay
Winslow

Thats very different from what people were saying around here. But if you think about it, it makes since. Mudiay has that Kobe Bryant or MJ potential. Winslow is that Scotty Pipen type. Towns is just a potential beast waiting to blossom.....Kind of a mix between Gasol and Shaq.

That is my exact top 3
1.Towns
2.Mudiay
3.Winslow
4.OK4
5.Russell

"He's got strength, he's got the size, can get to the basket, take a bump and finish ... He's a natural point guard. He's going to be an NBA caliber talent." "Pretty explosive north to south, like John Wall. John had to tighten it up. This kid's the same way. So he's got to learn to play a little east to west."
Mudiay is "a bully guard," the executive said. "He has a monster personality to attack, and he will attack. He doesn't finish okay. But he has a chance to be good with his size and frame. He's got a lot of positive upsides. Maturity will help him."

"One veteran birddog has Russell as his No. 1 pick in the entire Draft, ahead of two big men who are the top two selections in most mocks and are considered the top names by most teams: Duke's Jahlil Okafor and Kentucky's Karl-Anthony Towns. His reasoning is thus: the NBA game has become a game where teams hunt 3-pointers, layups and free throws on offense. Russell, who shot 41 percent on 3-pointers and got to the line 4.5 times a game for the Buckeyes, can do them all."

"Bigs can't do all of those things," the scout said. "The only people who can do all three are perimeter players, and usually the guys with the ball in their hands. He can shoot the ball. He will get fouled. And he can make a play for others to make other people better. If you're talking about putting together a team for the core future of your team, you have to give as much thought to this guy, and (Mudiay), as you do the two big guys."

– Western Conference scout on Emmanuel Mudiay

http://www.nba.com/news/features/david_aldridge/david-aldridge-big-board-point-guards-2015-nba-draft/

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4/17/2015  10:39 AM
crzymdups wrote:
blkexec wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I ran it ten times and this is what I got.

These are all just based off Chad Ford's mock drafts. He's had the distinction of getting EVERY SINGLE PICK in the first round wrong before - so I wouldn't trust too much about it. Except the math for the picks part is probably accurate. I pick #1 three times, pick #3 three times, pick #4 three times and pick #5 once.

1) Pick 5 - Winslow
2) Pick 1 - Towns
3) Pick 4 - Winslow
4) Pick 3 - Mudiay
5) Pick 3 - Okafor
6) Pick 1 - Towns
7) Pick 4 - Winslow
8) Pick 3 - Mudiay
9) Pick 1 - Towns
10) Pick 4 - Winslow

I will always remember Chad's pre-draft article saying he knows it wont happen because of the Lebron hype, but that teams should really consider that Darko is the best player in the draft.

Im sure he's put some good info out there but Ive never been impressed by him

Yup. Darko was still picked before Melo, Bosh and Wade. I hope Chad got a cut of Darko's rookie deal!

I just hope we get a player. I wouldn't even mind Winslow. I think that kid will be very good. I'm starting to come around to the idea that Okafor would be the perfect offensive pairing with Melo. Though I don't know what we'd do about defense.

To me, the perfect pairing with Melo, is somebody that compliments his weakness. OK4 doesn't do that, but he enhances Melo's strengths. Still have the same holes with or without OK4, and thats defense and rebounding. He would be a good pickup, similar to the Giants selecting ODBjr with a high pick, eventhough we have Victor C. Selecting OK4 is like buying insurance for Melo's health or future trades. He fills that gap whenever Melo is out. And gives us 2 players that can't be guarded 1 on 1. OK4's defense is his offense. He will get players in foul trouble. But defense and free throws are the 2 weaknesses I hate to see in a player. You should never be weak in those two areas at the same time. (Free throw and Defense). If we pick OK4, I hope he proves me wrong.

I said perfect offensive pairing. I could see OK4 and Melo developing an absolutely devastating inside-out game in the Triangle.

The defense would be... hard to envision.

I dont see it that way because OK and Melo both rebound really well. Yes, OK4/Melo are your defensive weaklinks.. no doubt about it but they are both also so offensively gifted that you can balance a team that way. Give me those two guys with some good lunch pale guys around them (Galloway def fits that description, so would Carrol) and you have a team. Melo's defense has never been a liability late in games. OK4's FT shooting is, but he wouldnt be the first or the last big to get subbed in and out late.

I have no skin in the draft pick. They all have things to be excited about.

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i just did it 10 times and not one time did minnesota get the first pick. the knicks only got it once. it's a crapshoot people...
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nyk4ever wrote:i just did it 10 times and not one time did minnesota get the first pick. the knicks only got it once. it's a crapshoot people...
yes it is a crapshoot BUT the reason people were upset was because at least last gives you a guaranteed top 4 spot. Second or third can drop you as far as 6
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4/17/2015  11:05 AM
Fun diversion, I ran it ten times, too. Here are my results:

Pick 2. Mudiay
Pick 4. Mudiay
Pick 2. Mudiay
Pick 1. Towns
Pick 1. Towns
Pick 1. Towns
Pick 5. Winslow
Pick 3. OK4
Pick 1. Towns
Pick 3. Mudiay

I like my results, although I am not picking Mudiay at #2 (would grab Russell).
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4/17/2015  11:06 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:i just did it 10 times and not one time did minnesota get the first pick. the knicks only got it once. it's a crapshoot people...
yes it is a crapshoot BUT the reason people were upset was because at least last gives you a guaranteed top 4 spot. Second or third can drop you as far as 6

Knicks are second. They can't drop lower than 5, which is traditionally a very strong pick.

They have over a fifty percent chance of getting a top 3 pick.

One month and change until we know for sure what the deal is.

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