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4/16/2015  8:16 PM
On this forum there is a high level of knee jerk reaction to any quote and utterance made and often taken out of context. Seems to me that when you take the totality of the comments from Phil, Mills, Fish and Melo it's clear that most of the panic is wrong and not very helpful. We really don't need to have all of the ultra negative and panic strewn comments that the Media is all too happy to foment with leading articles and quotes taken out of context.

“I try to keep myself away from thinking like that, but as a human being, those thoughts definitely come into play,” he said. “You sit down at night, and you’re thinking, ‘Did I really make the right decision?’ and things like that.”

But things have changed that frame of mind, he said. For instance, Anthony said he was surprised and confused when the team’s president, Phil Jackson, first moved to dismantle the team’s roster, notably sending J. R. Smith and Iman Shumpert to the Cleveland Cavaliers in a trade. Anthony joked that it was difficult to ever know what Jackson was thinking. He said as he came to understand Jackson’s motives, it was as if smoke had cleared.

“The moves that he made, once he started explaining to me behind closed doors about what was going on, his thought process behind everything, it started to make sense,” Anthony said. “So I don’t second-guess it.”

The plan will be critical this summer, as the Knicks will have a top-five draft pick and close to $30 million in salary-cap space. Anthony has gained clarity on these circumstances, too, joking that his personal office looked like a general manager’s office, with names and hypothetical outcomes moving around on a big board.

Anthony said he would defer to the front office this summer, help it if it needed him to recruit players and offer feedback when asked. He described the draft class, without mentioning anyone specific, as “powerful.” He noted that it was a great situation, but one that also brought its own pressures. He acknowledged that trading the draft pick provided intriguing possibilities, but his preference seemed to lean toward keeping it.

“I think you need a draft pick,” he said. “If we get a top pick, we take our chances with who we’re going to draft, regardless of who that is, and then we build other pieces around that with the money we have that’s left.”

Anthony said his knee felt much better. He has begun doing light workouts on his legs, and he said he could return to the court just before June. Even his inability to play basketball all these months, he said, provided him more clarity on the game.

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“It was a lot of basketball I was able to watch, a lot of clarity, and a lot of things I saw from the outside looking in that maybe I wouldn’t have seen out there playing on the basketball court,” he said.

A reporter brought up the idea that Jackson’s triangle offense had come under criticism as an outdated system that relied upon midrange jump shots. Anthony agreed that the game was evolving, but he said the offense could work given the right personnel.

“If this is the system that we’re going to run, then we’re going to run it,” Anthony said. “I don’t think it’s something that will be changed, and we all have to accept that.”

It was not the most stirring endorsement of the team’s system. But Anthony noted that too much emphasis was placed on the system and that other teams used similar concepts without the same scrutiny that the Knicks had been receiving.

Anthony said his layoff from the game had even given him a newfound clarity regarding the desires of the team’s fans, many of whom had started wishing for the team to lose games to give it a better chance at a high pick.

“I understand what was people’s frustration with us winning a couple games down the stretch,” he said. “But for me, as a competitor, you can’t come to me and say, I need you to lose these games. There’s no way. I would look at you like you had 10 heads.”

Now if you add to this the full comments made by Phil over the season it's clear that this isn't some crackpot approach to team building. All we've read from Phil is sound and reasonable principles and discipline for rebuilding this team. Phil has said that he values the pick and wasn't soliciting trading it, but would listen to offers. He wants players with multiple skills, smart and team oriented. They aren't going to just chase big names but look for players that with the system and culture. Basically just sound decision making. Nothing that would support this running idea that we have clowns running the organization and they won't be able to make good decisions. It really needs to stop.

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4/16/2015  8:23 PM
Clarity with the Knicks. Keep your expectations very low--don't buy game tickets and have other teams to counter balance them. I don't see Dolan owning this club much longer --this is a long tenure for what amounts to a CEO of a public company. His time won't be much longer. Then hopefully we will get an owner who is down with it.
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4/16/2015  8:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/16/2015  8:28 PM
Dolan is a few more attacks on fans away from being black balled from the league
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4/16/2015  8:35 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Clarity with the Knicks. Keep your expectations very low--don't buy game tickets and have other teams to counter balance them. I don't see Dolan owning this club much longer --this is a long tenure for what amounts to a CEO of a public company. His time won't be much longer. Then hopefully we will get an owner who is down with it.

And this is what I mean. What are you even talking about? What does any of that have to do with what this team does over the next few months to revamp the roster? You seem to have decided to just ignore everything that is going on with the franchise in order to only focus on the most negative aspects of the recent past. I can understand disappointment but given what is about to happen there should also be some sense of opportunity. We have an opportunity for major change and likely in a positive direction. Why not focus on that?

Ask yourself when was the last time this team was #2 in the Lottery with a legit chance at a top 1-5 pick? Also with a draft class that looks pretty good. Maybe not all time great but a good crop of prospects.

Then we have a decent amount of cap space with some good players available.

We have some young players to continue to develop and a couple of stashed players in Thanasis and Labeyrie that we should get a look at this summer along with our draft pick.

We have a system in place and a GM and coach in charge who have at the very least experienced multiple championships together running that very same system.

Melo our star player seems to be healing well and is on board with what is happening. So basically the entire franchise is in sync for the 1st time in a long time.

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4/16/2015  9:03 PM
I prefer direct quotes to mindless speculation. This is why I post so many quotes when I respond. IMO you learn more from this than all the drivel the Media loves to interject. As a diehard Knicks fan I feel it's important for us to actually focus on what is real in terms of what the intentions of Phil and his staff are. So this Clarity thread is devoted to these things.

The Draft Pick
Last Thursday night, Jackson chuckled about knowing whom he would pick in the upcoming draft by joking, “I do…” On May 19, the Ping-Pong balls will decide the Knicks fate in the 2015 Draft. The lottery determines the draft order and New York is guaranteed a top selection due to its 2014-15 regular season record.

“A first draft pick can move an entire organization as Patrick Ewing did here in the early 80s,” Jackson acknowledged. “We want to see if that player is the one that can move the whole franchise ahead as a direct cause. All the other options are there on the table for us and what happens behind that is we have zero big men. We have Carmelo [Anthony] as our only big man that’s under contract, so we have to pick not only draft picks but also free agents to fill out our roster, so what combination will go together with the people that we draft and a free agent market.”

The 2015 class figures to be stacked with talented guards and big men, especially near the top of the draft. On April 26 we’ll know exactly how deep the draft is following the deadline for early entry eligibility.

“It’s a very talented crop and we’re happy to have this opportunity and we’re going to make the most of it,” Jackson stated.

The last lottery selection for New York occurred in the 2009 season when the organization picked Jordan Hill out of the University of Arizona at No. 8. Six years later, Jackson and the front office are preparing for the next young player to hit the hardwood for the orange and blue.

“We want a player that has multiple skills,” he added. “I’m very impressed with the young players that are playing in college right now.”

Free Agency Strategy
Starting on July 1, teams with cap space will begin to court prospective restricted and unrestricted free agents. With a significant amount of money under the cap, the prestige of Jackson, and the lure of New York City, the Knicks are prepared to be a player in the market. However, the front office will take a calculated approach to an important summer for the franchise.

“We will not go after the biggest name that’s out there,” Mills confirmed. “We will go after players that fit in the system and style of play, so it may in fact be one of the big names but one thing for certain it will be a person that fits system wise with us. One of the things that Phil brings to the table for us is allows us to sort of clear the deck, to speak, so that we know exactly the skills that players need to have to be successful in our system and we’re going to go after players like that. It will be a combination of big names and guys that are just system fits.”

Members of the Knicks staff have traveled overseas in recent weeks to scout European players and seek out reasonable buyouts. Jackson and Mills expressed the importance of exploring all options to build the roster for the next season and beyond. As part of their due diligence, conversations will take place with agents of players to pitch the Knicks plan for the short and long term.

“You’re constantly planting seeds on why this would be a good place for their players and that’s a process that takes place all the way throughout the year,” Mills disclosed.

Who Will Return?
The Knicks re-shaped the roster midseason and entered evaluation mode to assess the players on the team that would fit the desired style and culture for the franchise. On Thursday night, Jackson and Mills praised Lou Amundson, Lance Thomas, and Langston Galloway for their play on the floor and professional approach to the game.

“They brought a lot of joy to us just by watching how they play,” Jackson smiled. “Great energy, team players, they do a job out there and they all can play defense and they’re two-way players as we say. So, that kind of says in a nutshell about what’s going to happen with this team. That’s the direction we’re looking to go.”

This does not rule out the potential return of other players on the roster as Jackson and Mills will make those decisions in early July.

“On July 1st, we chase free agents that we know are likely to come to this organization and we do that in a way that compliments our draft choice and compliments the team and the way we want to play basketball,” Jackson asserted.

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4/16/2015  9:11 PM
I don't really follow the Rangers but Dolan is reported to have stayed away from them and they are doing great. It appears that he is letting Phil do what he thinks is right. I agree with Nix, give this a chance. This was as close to a total tear down as you are going to get. I think Jax has autonomy so I don't expect the same mistakes again as have been made in the past. The Knicks aren't trading their pick for Derrick Rose or spending all of their cap on Brook Lopez. I want to watch the process and see if Phil gets this right. I think it is his to do what he wants with it.
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4/16/2015  9:42 PM
Every Knick fan wants to give it a chance, but when you lose as bad as we have, it's tough to just sit there without being the least bit concern that the game may have pass phil by... The negatives clearly out weighed any positives, and that's how you judge someone.
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4/16/2015  9:59 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Every Knick fan wants to give it a chance, but when you lose as bad as we have, it's tough to just sit there without being the least bit concern that the game may have pass phil by... The negatives clearly out weighed any positives, and that's how you judge someone.

I actually don't believe that every fan is willing to give it a chance. It seems to me that many fans have given up and have no faith in this regime or have been ginning up false stories and making exaggerated claims in order to make the franchise seem more lost and incompetent than they actually are.

This is why I post the things I do. It at least shows the lie to many of the media generated negative hype. The media is purposely misrepresenting things in order to make the story of the Knicks being a mismanaged franchise seem true. So when Phil says forget the Triangle they write it as him saying he's ready to abandon the system when in fact that's not what he was saying. They write that Phil is trading his pick because that makes him look foolish and furthers their narrative. I could go on and on with similar points and too many fans are guilty of the same things.

Some fans run with whatever little snippet they can find which would support their negative feelings toward the team. Most of this stuff just isn't true. That's why I post what I do. I'm going to post things in this thread that counteract the false media narrative. It drives me crazy reading things that just have no basis in truth or are just gross exaggeration.

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4/16/2015  10:14 PM
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every Knick fan wants to give it a chance, but when you lose as bad as we have, it's tough to just sit there without being the least bit concern that the game may have pass phil by... The negatives clearly out weighed any positives, and that's how you judge someone.

I actually don't believe that every fan is willing to give it a chance. It seems to me that many fans have given up and have no faith in this regime or have been ginning up false stories and making exaggerated claims in order to make the franchise seem more lost and incompetent than they actually are.

This is why I post the things I do. It at least shows the lie to many of the media generated negative hype. The media is purposely misrepresenting things in order to make the story of the Knicks being a mismanaged franchise seem true. So when Phil says forget the Triangle they write it as him saying he's ready to abandon the system when in fact that's not what he was saying. They write that Phil is trading his pick because that makes him look foolish and furthers their narrative. I could go on and on with similar points and too many fans are guilty of the same things.

Some fans run with whatever little snippet they can find which would support their negative feelings toward the team. Most of this stuff just isn't true. That's why I post what I do. I'm going to post things in this thread that counteract the false media narrative. It drives me crazy reading things that just have no basis in truth or are just gross exaggeration.

thats bull****. EVERY fan wants this team to do well but the past 15 years has been very tough so frustration is understandable. I think you mistake criticism for bashing. Lets face it being positive about everything would be a bit a fake
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4/16/2015  10:19 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Every Knick fan wants to give it a chance, but when you lose as bad as we have, it's tough to just sit there without being the least bit concern that the game may have pass phil by... The negatives clearly out weighed any positives, and that's how you judge someone.

I am more then willing to give this team a chance; I was not and still am not on board with the hiring of a guy who had just retired from playing. I simply hope that he takes the time off to go around and study other coaches' approach to help him to become a much better dude on the sideline. I pray that he improves and help march this team forward. This season was horrendous and he was the main culprit.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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4/16/2015  10:21 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:Every Knick fan wants to give it a chance, but when you lose as bad as we have, it's tough to just sit there without being the least bit concern that the game may have pass phil by... The negatives clearly out weighed any positives, and that's how you judge someone.

I am more then willing to give this team a chance; I was not and still am not on board with the hiring of a guy who had just retired from playing. I simply hope that he takes the time off to go around and study other coaches' approach to help him to become a much better dude on the sideline. I pray that he improves and help march this team forward. This season was horrendous and he was the main culprit.

i had no issue with fisher. He has always been a smart basketball guy and has a winning pedigree. My issue is that i still believe dolan makes decisions which he shouldnt
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4/16/2015  10:25 PM
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Knicks1969 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every Knick fan wants to give it a chance, but when you lose as bad as we have, it's tough to just sit there without being the least bit concern that the game may have pass phil by... The negatives clearly out weighed any positives, and that's how you judge someone.

I am more then willing to give this team a chance; I was not and still am not on board with the hiring of a guy who had just retired from playing. I simply hope that he takes the time off to go around and study other coaches' approach to help him to become a much better dude on the sideline. I pray that he improves and help march this team forward. This season was horrendous and he was the main culprit.

i had no issue with fisher. He has always been a smart basketball guy and has a winning pedigree. My issue is that i still believe dolan makes decisions which he shouldnt

I have no reason to believe that Dolan is now making decisions. I want to see Mills gone and replaced by Fisher and Shaw hired to replace Fisher on the bench.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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4/16/2015  10:27 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every Knick fan wants to give it a chance, but when you lose as bad as we have, it's tough to just sit there without being the least bit concern that the game may have pass phil by... The negatives clearly out weighed any positives, and that's how you judge someone.

I actually don't believe that every fan is willing to give it a chance. It seems to me that many fans have given up and have no faith in this regime or have been ginning up false stories and making exaggerated claims in order to make the franchise seem more lost and incompetent than they actually are.

This is why I post the things I do. It at least shows the lie to many of the media generated negative hype. The media is purposely misrepresenting things in order to make the story of the Knicks being a mismanaged franchise seem true. So when Phil says forget the Triangle they write it as him saying he's ready to abandon the system when in fact that's not what he was saying. They write that Phil is trading his pick because that makes him look foolish and furthers their narrative. I could go on and on with similar points and too many fans are guilty of the same things.

Some fans run with whatever little snippet they can find which would support their negative feelings toward the team. Most of this stuff just isn't true. That's why I post what I do. I'm going to post things in this thread that counteract the false media narrative. It drives me crazy reading things that just have no basis in truth or are just gross exaggeration.

thats bull****. EVERY fan wants this team to do well but the past 15 years has been very tough so frustration is understandable. I think you mistake criticism for bashing. Lets face it being positive about everything would be a bit a fake

I don't think it is about being positive about everything but it is about giving this regime a chance. Once the it was clear the team wasn't going to be competitive the rest of the malcontents were sent out the season became about what young guys might be worth a flyer next year. I have no regrets about te Tyson trade, or the JR Shump trade. Those guys needed to go. I think things are changing. The Knicks didn't trade future picks to chase the 8th seed. They did bring in a bunch of young guys. If the nicks trade their pick for a star with a career threatening injury and sign a guy who can't have his contract insured then it's business as usual. I don't think that is happening.
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4/16/2015  10:29 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every Knick fan wants to give it a chance, but when you lose as bad as we have, it's tough to just sit there without being the least bit concern that the game may have pass phil by... The negatives clearly out weighed any positives, and that's how you judge someone.

I actually don't believe that every fan is willing to give it a chance. It seems to me that many fans have given up and have no faith in this regime or have been ginning up false stories and making exaggerated claims in order to make the franchise seem more lost and incompetent than they actually are.

This is why I post the things I do. It at least shows the lie to many of the media generated negative hype. The media is purposely misrepresenting things in order to make the story of the Knicks being a mismanaged franchise seem true. So when Phil says forget the Triangle they write it as him saying he's ready to abandon the system when in fact that's not what he was saying. They write that Phil is trading his pick because that makes him look foolish and furthers their narrative. I could go on and on with similar points and too many fans are guilty of the same things.

Some fans run with whatever little snippet they can find which would support their negative feelings toward the team. Most of this stuff just isn't true. That's why I post what I do. I'm going to post things in this thread that counteract the false media narrative. It drives me crazy reading things that just have no basis in truth or are just gross exaggeration.

thats bull****. EVERY fan wants this team to do well but the past 15 years has been very tough so frustration is understandable. I think you mistake criticism for bashing. Lets face it being positive about everything would be a bit a fake

I don't think it is about being positive about everything but it is about giving this regime a chance. Once the it was clear the team wasn't going to be competitive the rest of the malcontents were sent out the season became about what young guys might be worth a flyer next year. I have no regrets about te Tyson trade, or the JR Shump trade. Those guys needed to go. I think things are changing. The Knicks didn't trade future picks to chase the 8th seed. They did bring in a bunch of young guys. If the nicks trade their pick for a star with a career threatening injury and sign a guy who can't have his contract insured then it's business as usual. I don't think that is happening.
again i dont see anybody not giving the regime a chance to be honest
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4/16/2015  10:37 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every Knick fan wants to give it a chance, but when you lose as bad as we have, it's tough to just sit there without being the least bit concern that the game may have pass phil by... The negatives clearly out weighed any positives, and that's how you judge someone.

I actually don't believe that every fan is willing to give it a chance. It seems to me that many fans have given up and have no faith in this regime or have been ginning up false stories and making exaggerated claims in order to make the franchise seem more lost and incompetent than they actually are.

This is why I post the things I do. It at least shows the lie to many of the media generated negative hype. The media is purposely misrepresenting things in order to make the story of the Knicks being a mismanaged franchise seem true. So when Phil says forget the Triangle they write it as him saying he's ready to abandon the system when in fact that's not what he was saying. They write that Phil is trading his pick because that makes him look foolish and furthers their narrative. I could go on and on with similar points and too many fans are guilty of the same things.

Some fans run with whatever little snippet they can find which would support their negative feelings toward the team. Most of this stuff just isn't true. That's why I post what I do. I'm going to post things in this thread that counteract the false media narrative. It drives me crazy reading things that just have no basis in truth or are just gross exaggeration.

thats bull****. EVERY fan wants this team to do well but the past 15 years has been very tough so frustration is understandable. I think you mistake criticism for bashing. Lets face it being positive about everything would be a bit a fake

I don't think it is about being positive about everything but it is about giving this regime a chance. Once the it was clear the team wasn't going to be competitive the rest of the malcontents were sent out the season became about what young guys might be worth a flyer next year. I have no regrets about te Tyson trade, or the JR Shump trade. Those guys needed to go. I think things are changing. The Knicks didn't trade future picks to chase the 8th seed. They did bring in a bunch of young guys. If the nicks trade their pick for a star with a career threatening injury and sign a guy who can't have his contract insured then it's business as usual. I don't think that is happening.
again i dont see anybody not giving the regime a chance to be honest

You saying this makes it clear that you've forgotten what has been said on this forum this season. Clearly there are those who don't have any faith in this regime and are predicting failure. They haven't given this regime a chance and have already made up their minds. How you can't seem to remember that is beyond me cuz it was pretty thick on this forum and it pops up even now. That's the entire point of this thread and I wouldn't have to create this thread if reason had taken control of this forum but that is most definitely not the case.

Look at all the threads created off faulty information or taking comments out of context or just reading into partial comments and creating a negative story line out of it. I'm not making this up it's actually what has been happening on this forum. You just saying that it's not happening doesn't erase the evidence.

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4/16/2015  10:41 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every Knick fan wants to give it a chance, but when you lose as bad as we have, it's tough to just sit there without being the least bit concern that the game may have pass phil by... The negatives clearly out weighed any positives, and that's how you judge someone.

I actually don't believe that every fan is willing to give it a chance. It seems to me that many fans have given up and have no faith in this regime or have been ginning up false stories and making exaggerated claims in order to make the franchise seem more lost and incompetent than they actually are.

This is why I post the things I do. It at least shows the lie to many of the media generated negative hype. The media is purposely misrepresenting things in order to make the story of the Knicks being a mismanaged franchise seem true. So when Phil says forget the Triangle they write it as him saying he's ready to abandon the system when in fact that's not what he was saying. They write that Phil is trading his pick because that makes him look foolish and furthers their narrative. I could go on and on with similar points and too many fans are guilty of the same things.

Some fans run with whatever little snippet they can find which would support their negative feelings toward the team. Most of this stuff just isn't true. That's why I post what I do. I'm going to post things in this thread that counteract the false media narrative. It drives me crazy reading things that just have no basis in truth or are just gross exaggeration.

thats bull****. EVERY fan wants this team to do well but the past 15 years has been very tough so frustration is understandable. I think you mistake criticism for bashing. Lets face it being positive about everything would be a bit a fake

I don't think it is about being positive about everything but it is about giving this regime a chance. Once the it was clear the team wasn't going to be competitive the rest of the malcontents were sent out the season became about what young guys might be worth a flyer next year. I have no regrets about te Tyson trade, or the JR Shump trade. Those guys needed to go. I think things are changing. The Knicks didn't trade future picks to chase the 8th seed. They did bring in a bunch of young guys. If the nicks trade their pick for a star with a career threatening injury and sign a guy who can't have his contract insured then it's business as usual. I don't think that is happening.
again i dont see anybody not giving the regime a chance to be honest

You saying this makes it clear that you've forgotten what has been said on this forum this season. Clearly there are those who don't have any faith in this regime and are predicting failure. They haven't given this regime a chance and have already made up their minds. How you can't seem to remember that is beyond me cuz it was pretty thick on this forum and it pops up even now. That's the entire point of this thread and I wouldn't have to create this thread if reason had taken control of this forum but that is most definitely not the case.

Look at all the threads created off faulty information or taking comments out of context or just reading into partial comments and creating a negative story line out of it. I'm not making this up it's actually what has been happening on this forum. You just saying that it's not happening doesn't erase the evidence.

well i dont have time to look Through every thread. Im talking about the majority ive seen. Again i still think you feel any type of knick criticism is a crime but i think in order to get better you have to point out the issues, its not a bad thing
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Rangers are winning the Cup. 1 down, 15 to go
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gunsnewing wrote:Rangers are winning the Cup. 1 down, 15 to go
hope so. If it wasnt for fleaury we would have won 5—1
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4/16/2015  11:03 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every Knick fan wants to give it a chance, but when you lose as bad as we have, it's tough to just sit there without being the least bit concern that the game may have pass phil by... The negatives clearly out weighed any positives, and that's how you judge someone.

I actually don't believe that every fan is willing to give it a chance. It seems to me that many fans have given up and have no faith in this regime or have been ginning up false stories and making exaggerated claims in order to make the franchise seem more lost and incompetent than they actually are.

This is why I post the things I do. It at least shows the lie to many of the media generated negative hype. The media is purposely misrepresenting things in order to make the story of the Knicks being a mismanaged franchise seem true. So when Phil says forget the Triangle they write it as him saying he's ready to abandon the system when in fact that's not what he was saying. They write that Phil is trading his pick because that makes him look foolish and furthers their narrative. I could go on and on with similar points and too many fans are guilty of the same things.

Some fans run with whatever little snippet they can find which would support their negative feelings toward the team. Most of this stuff just isn't true. That's why I post what I do. I'm going to post things in this thread that counteract the false media narrative. It drives me crazy reading things that just have no basis in truth or are just gross exaggeration.

thats bull****. EVERY fan wants this team to do well but the past 15 years has been very tough so frustration is understandable. I think you mistake criticism for bashing. Lets face it being positive about everything would be a bit a fake

I don't think it is about being positive about everything but it is about giving this regime a chance. Once the it was clear the team wasn't going to be competitive the rest of the malcontents were sent out the season became about what young guys might be worth a flyer next year. I have no regrets about te Tyson trade, or the JR Shump trade. Those guys needed to go. I think things are changing. The Knicks didn't trade future picks to chase the 8th seed. They did bring in a bunch of young guys. If the nicks trade their pick for a star with a career threatening injury and sign a guy who can't have his contract insured then it's business as usual. I don't think that is happening.
again i dont see anybody not giving the regime a chance to be honest

You saying this makes it clear that you've forgotten what has been said on this forum this season. Clearly there are those who don't have any faith in this regime and are predicting failure. They haven't given this regime a chance and have already made up their minds. How you can't seem to remember that is beyond me cuz it was pretty thick on this forum and it pops up even now. That's the entire point of this thread and I wouldn't have to create this thread if reason had taken control of this forum but that is most definitely not the case.

Look at all the threads created off faulty information or taking comments out of context or just reading into partial comments and creating a negative story line out of it. I'm not making this up it's actually what has been happening on this forum. You just saying that it's not happening doesn't erase the evidence.

well i dont have time to look Through every thread. Im talking about the majority ive seen. Again i still think you feel any type of knick criticism is a crime but i think in order to get better you have to point out the issues, its not a bad thing

1. This isn't about me. I don't care about people disagreeing with me or liking me or my posts. I've been posting the same way for a decade on this forum. I'm talking about the misrepresentation of the facts and statements that has been going on, on this forum and by the media.

2. This isn't about pointing out the issues. This is about Phil and his staff and what they can do to improve this team this summer and beyond. Phil has a summer full of activity and decisions to make which will revamp this roster.

3. My point is that we finally have a solid chain of leadership and a clear vision to build towards. We also have some very good options with which to revamp the team. A top 5 draft pick and cap space to use to rebuild. In addition to some young prospects we're developing.

So contrary to much of the negativity this is a very interesting time for this franchise and fans and it's going to be taking place in just a couple of months.

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4/16/2015  11:12 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every Knick fan wants to give it a chance, but when you lose as bad as we have, it's tough to just sit there without being the least bit concern that the game may have pass phil by... The negatives clearly out weighed any positives, and that's how you judge someone.

I actually don't believe that every fan is willing to give it a chance. It seems to me that many fans have given up and have no faith in this regime or have been ginning up false stories and making exaggerated claims in order to make the franchise seem more lost and incompetent than they actually are.

This is why I post the things I do. It at least shows the lie to many of the media generated negative hype. The media is purposely misrepresenting things in order to make the story of the Knicks being a mismanaged franchise seem true. So when Phil says forget the Triangle they write it as him saying he's ready to abandon the system when in fact that's not what he was saying. They write that Phil is trading his pick because that makes him look foolish and furthers their narrative. I could go on and on with similar points and too many fans are guilty of the same things.

Some fans run with whatever little snippet they can find which would support their negative feelings toward the team. Most of this stuff just isn't true. That's why I post what I do. I'm going to post things in this thread that counteract the false media narrative. It drives me crazy reading things that just have no basis in truth or are just gross exaggeration.

thats bull****. EVERY fan wants this team to do well but the past 15 years has been very tough so frustration is understandable. I think you mistake criticism for bashing. Lets face it being positive about everything would be a bit a fake

I don't think it is about being positive about everything but it is about giving this regime a chance. Once the it was clear the team wasn't going to be competitive the rest of the malcontents were sent out the season became about what young guys might be worth a flyer next year. I have no regrets about te Tyson trade, or the JR Shump trade. Those guys needed to go. I think things are changing. The Knicks didn't trade future picks to chase the 8th seed. They did bring in a bunch of young guys. If the nicks trade their pick for a star with a career threatening injury and sign a guy who can't have his contract insured then it's business as usual. I don't think that is happening.
again i dont see anybody not giving the regime a chance to be honest

You saying this makes it clear that you've forgotten what has been said on this forum this season. Clearly there are those who don't have any faith in this regime and are predicting failure. They haven't given this regime a chance and have already made up their minds. How you can't seem to remember that is beyond me cuz it was pretty thick on this forum and it pops up even now. That's the entire point of this thread and I wouldn't have to create this thread if reason had taken control of this forum but that is most definitely not the case.

Look at all the threads created off faulty information or taking comments out of context or just reading into partial comments and creating a negative story line out of it. I'm not making this up it's actually what has been happening on this forum. You just saying that it's not happening doesn't erase the evidence.

well i dont have time to look Through every thread. Im talking about the majority ive seen. Again i still think you feel any type of knick criticism is a crime but i think in order to get better you have to point out the issues, its not a bad thing

1. This isn't about me. I don't care about people disagreeing with me or liking me or my posts. I've been posting the same way for a decade on this forum. I'm talking about the misrepresentation of the facts and statements that has been going on, on this forum and by the media.

2. This isn't about pointing out the issues. This is about Phil and his staff and what they can do to improve this team this summer and beyond. Phil has a summer full of activity and decisions to make which will revamp this roster.

3. My point is that we finally have a solid chain of leadership and a clear vision to build towards. We also have some very good options with which to revamp the team. A top 5 draft pick and cap space to use to rebuild. In addition to some young prospects we're developing.

So contrary to much of the negativity this is a very interesting time for this franchise and fans and it's going to be taking place in just a couple of months.

i think you are overreacting to the so called negativity. Most people incluing myself are excited for the draft and free agency. However being fair and objective we still have a long way to go and phil still has to prove himself
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