Bonn1997 wrote:So where would you (Hol and Nalod) place the Warriors in NBA history out of all nba teams? Top what?

Really hard to say..Think about it..We saw some dynasties with Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq and Kobe, Bron in Miami, Detroit...What they do going forward will be important in terms of legacy..Right now they are one of the better teams in the league..I think a Cavs team at full strength will beat them...I think OKC at full strength is better with the right coach..

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:So where would you (Hol and Nalod) place the Warriors in NBA history out of all nba teams? Top what?

Really hard to say..Think about it..We saw some dynasties with Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq and Kobe, Bron in Miami, Detroit...What they do going forward will be important in terms of legacy..Right now they are one of the better teams in the league..I think a Cavs team at full strength will beat them...I think OKC at full strength is better with the right coach..

That's a copout. You won't even give a number? Do you think they're top 50 all time?

Im going to only go with teams that I saw...I thought some teams that lost to MJ were better like Portland Trailblazers with Clyde, Terry Porter etc..But I'll say they are a nudge better than the Portland team that won with Walton or maybe on the same tier..How about if I give your in terms of tier...I think they are on the same tier as Doc and the Sixer team that won...On the same tier as Houston with Hakeem..Essentially good teams that won when the rest of the league wasn't at full strength..

I don't see them are a dynasty type team...They will however be very good...

You might ask why I have this view..I am not convinced that Curry and their perimeter offense cannot be stopped...I think their front line can be exploited..I couldn't understand why Houston didnt put Corey Brewer on Curry and post him on offense...Make him work defensively..Cleveland tried it late with Shump in the last game..But Shump is just horrible around the rim..

TripleThreat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:So where would you (Hol and Nalod) place the Warriors in NBA history out of all nba teams? Top what?

What do you call the guy who graduates last in his class at medical school?

Doctor.

Not sure why people want to mince over degrees of greatness. I guess if it amuse them, have at it.

Bill Parcells once said that all you can do as a team, a player or a coach is to play the games they put in front of you. It's not like you get to choose.

One thing I do find patently disturbing is the media coverage of the Finals, where everyone is essentially blowing LBJ nonstop. I have seen this kind of athlete worship/slobberfest since Brett Favre played a MNF game right after his father died and threw four first half touchdowns.

Why can't the league just be honest about it? Stephen Curry is a great player, but he is simply not as marketable as LBJ and some other NBA "stars" Curry is a humble soft spoken team player. He doesn't get caught at the airport with an assault rifle. He's not caught with a bag of coke while shooting up a nightclub. He's not banging a Kardashian. He doesn't have his own cologne or talk about being the next Jay Z and dating a pop star/wannabe actress.

Instead of giving Curry true credit by giving him Finals MVP, they give it to Iggy so nothing can take away from the LBJ - The One Man Army musical. Which is hilarious because LBJ put together a team that fell apart on him, forcing him to play like he was a one man army in the first place.

I am disheartened by this "Golden State won .... but if you think about it.., it should all really be about LeBron James" This is the kind of "who can sell the most shoes and cheeseburgers" narrative that David Stern liked to push.

I am disgusted that the league let the networks and sponsors push them around so much that they even kowtow to the false altar of LBJ's ego.

Though I think that Iggy deserve the the MVP, I do certainly see why people say that LeBron could have been the MVP as well..It's not for the reasons you have stated..He played a phenomenal series and put up historic numbers on par with if not better than the all time greats...U can take that away from him...Do the media and league kiss his arse..Sure..But the performance was historic..

TripleThreat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:So where would you (Hol and Nalod) place the Warriors in NBA history out of all nba teams? Top what?

What do you call the guy who graduates last in his class at medical school?

Doctor.

Not sure why people want to mince over degrees of greatness. I guess if it amuse them, have at it.

Bill Parcells once said that all you can do as a team, a player or a coach is to play the games they put in front of you. It's not like you get to choose.

One thing I do find patently disturbing is the media coverage of the Finals, where everyone is essentially blowing LBJ nonstop. I have seen this kind of athlete worship/slobberfest since Brett Favre played a MNF game right after his father died and threw four first half touchdowns.

Why can't the league just be honest about it? Stephen Curry is a great player, but he is simply not as marketable as LBJ and some other NBA "stars" Curry is a humble soft spoken team player. He doesn't get caught at the airport with an assault rifle. He's not caught with a bag of coke while shooting up a nightclub. He's not banging a Kardashian. He doesn't have his own cologne or talk about being the next Jay Z and dating a pop star/wannabe actress.

Instead of giving Curry true credit by giving him Finals MVP, they give it to Iggy so nothing can take away from the LBJ - The One Man Army musical. Which is hilarious because LBJ put together a team that fell apart on him, forcing him to play like he was a one man army in the first place.

I am disheartened by this "Golden State won .... but if you think about it.., it should all really be about LeBron James" This is the kind of "who can sell the most shoes and cheeseburgers" narrative that David Stern liked to push.

I am disgusted that the league let the networks and sponsors push them around so much that they even kowtow to the false altar of LBJ's ego.

Add Tim Duncan to Curry. Duncan, a quiet champion who shies away from fame, it would seem, was on 5 title teams spanning 3 decades, but you would never know it.

Star players have driven the NBA narrative for about 35 years and the ubiquity of sports TV, the internet, and marketing fuels this even more. Add video games to this mix, by the way.

Easier to market superstar vs superstar, or go on and on about the "best player in the world," and "best of all time, than to simply market a good team with likable stars who have no edge or arrogance.

The networks almost seem let down that in a team sport, "The Worlds Best Player" does not triumph over the better team. Tough when Superman is seen to be human. Not too tough to come up with next years marketing campaign, though- LBJ- The Redemption.