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BRIGGS
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4/11/2015  4:58 PM
Moves in importance
#1 Carmelo Anthony 5 years 125mm--defense--well???
#2 Trades for Jose Calderon to start PG--could be the worst defensive player in the NBA and at the worst position to be bad. contract ran for 3 years 23mm.
#3 Jason Smith--1 year 3.5mm defense--not very good
The guys he brought in Galloway---ok a little small to defend bigger 2's. Lance Thomas--nothing really average D Lou the vampire Admundson--plays well every 1/4 game 32 years old and shoots FTs like someone who never played basketball before.

The guys we got rid of Tyson Chandler Iman Shumpert defensive players. ok you dont like them-or whatever--but thats your D

Then now I think there may be a swinging pendulum that goes to far right for DEFENSE--because many defensive players are also raw offensively in a league where you need to score 100+ to win.
Ricky Ledo--good defender--ah no

Any attempt to bring in defensive guys from the D league in 50 games that had zero importance ah no.

Thansis--hes a will see right? Not exactly penciling him in anywhere

C Early--maybe average--hes a tweener

We couldve drafted a shot blocking C in Walter Taveras--but we didnt.

So the plan is to draft Willie Stein if we dont get pick #1 and what else?

This is going to take a LONG time and we dont have a draft pick next year.

Jose Calderon is taking up 7.5mm in space for 2 years running

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4/11/2015  5:17 PM
Some valid points Briggs but I think you are jumping to conclusions in terms of who he'll pick.

We all heard the defense quotes from Phil but that doesn't mean he wouldn't take Okafor at 1, 2 or 3. He could always try to add defense via free agency.

I do agree though that Phil initial few moves don't give me great confidence.
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4/11/2015  5:24 PM
In phils defense the carmelo deal was most likely a dolan move. The tyson trade was tricky because tysons value had gone down after a bad year. However taking calderons contract was terrible. I cant Judge phil until this summer after the draft and free agency
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4/11/2015  5:26 PM
LOL @ this post. You put it so eloquently Briggs! Certainly not awe-inspiring stuff this year from Big Phil
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4/11/2015  5:38 PM
gunsnewing wrote:LOL @ this post. You put it so eloquently Briggs! Certainly not awe-inspiring stuff this year from Big Phil

The only thing I see is that Phil did not have the same theories he started with over a year ago. If he holds true to theory--then there is NO way Calderon is a Knick. I'm not sure what to think to be honest.

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BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:LOL @ this post. You put it so eloquently Briggs! Certainly not awe-inspiring stuff this year from Big Phil

The only thing I see is that Phil did not have the same theories he started with over a year ago. If he holds true to theory--then there is NO way Calderon is a Knick. I'm not sure what to think to be honest.

the calderon move was a head scratcher. I mean we basically took a bad contract off dallas hands which isnt surprising because the knicks are famous for doing that
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4/11/2015  5:57 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:LOL @ this post. You put it so eloquently Briggs! Certainly not awe-inspiring stuff this year from Big Phil

The only thing I see is that Phil did not have the same theories he started with over a year ago. If he holds true to theory--then there is NO way Calderon is a Knick. I'm not sure what to think to be honest.

the calderon move was a head scratcher. I mean we basically took a bad contract off dallas hands which isnt surprising because the knicks are famous for doing that

Well we have 1/2 our cap into non defenders. I understand we tried to draft some guys but if we were going to take a foreign player--why not Taveras--we had him if we wanted. Hes 7-3 265 and hes the number 1 shotblcoker per minute in Europe right now. I would say that made sense--we had no big men.

This draft just like 2013 we miss Muscala and taveras by being cutsie with Hardaway and Early who can be found in the D league .

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4/11/2015  7:05 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:LOL @ this post. You put it so eloquently Briggs! Certainly not awe-inspiring stuff this year from Big Phil

The only thing I see is that Phil did not have the same theories he started with over a year ago. If he holds true to theory--then there is NO way Calderon is a Knick. I'm not sure what to think to be honest.

the calderon move was a head scratcher. I mean we basically took a bad contract off dallas hands which isnt surprising because the knicks are famous for doing that

Well we have 1/2 our cap into non defenders. I understand we tried to draft some guys but if we were going to take a foreign player--why not Taveras--we had him if we wanted. Hes 7-3 265 and hes the number 1 shotblcoker per minute in Europe right now. I would say that made sense--we had no big men.

This draft just like 2013 we miss Muscala and taveras by being cutsie with Hardaway and Early who can be found in the D league .


I don't have a problem with Early but the Knicks had 2 shooting guards when they drafted hardaway. Gobert was the pick to make in the hardaway draft.
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4/11/2015  7:10 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:LOL @ this post. You put it so eloquently Briggs! Certainly not awe-inspiring stuff this year from Big Phil

The only thing I see is that Phil did not have the same theories he started with over a year ago. If he holds true to theory--then there is NO way Calderon is a Knick. I'm not sure what to think to be honest.

the calderon move was a head scratcher. I mean we basically took a bad contract off dallas hands which isnt surprising because the knicks are famous for doing that

Well we have 1/2 our cap into non defenders. I understand we tried to draft some guys but if we were going to take a foreign player--why not Taveras--we had him if we wanted. Hes 7-3 265 and hes the number 1 shotblcoker per minute in Europe right now. I would say that made sense--we had no big men.

This draft just like 2013 we miss Muscala and taveras by being cutsie with Hardaway and Early who can be found in the D league .


I don't have a problem with Early but the Knicks had 2 shooting guards when they drafted hardaway. Gobert was the pick to make in the hardaway draft.

Yes you are 100% correct. I remember being very high on Gobert.
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4/11/2015  7:46 PM
Galloway is a solid NBA defender, but you are right, all those other guys couldn't play defense if their 16 footers depended on it.
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4/11/2015  8:15 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:LOL @ this post. You put it so eloquently Briggs! Certainly not awe-inspiring stuff this year from Big Phil

The only thing I see is that Phil did not have the same theories he started with over a year ago. If he holds true to theory--then there is NO way Calderon is a Knick. I'm not sure what to think to be honest.

the calderon move was a head scratcher. I mean we basically took a bad contract off dallas hands which isnt surprising because the knicks are famous for doing that

Well we have 1/2 our cap into non defenders. I understand we tried to draft some guys but if we were going to take a foreign player--why not Taveras--we had him if we wanted. Hes 7-3 265 and hes the number 1 shotblcoker per minute in Europe right now. I would say that made sense--we had no big men.

This draft just like 2013 we miss Muscala and taveras by being cutsie with Hardaway and Early who can be found in the D league .


I don't have a problem with Early but the Knicks had 2 shooting guards when they drafted hardaway. Gobert was the pick to make in the hardaway draft.

true we missed two bigs

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4/11/2015  8:43 PM
Until we draft a two-way point guard and a two-way center, we don't need to talk about defense. Because what we currently have on our roster, simply can't defend for shiznit. Oh let's not forget that we will also need to address our defensive scheme; what we were using under fisher's year needs to be flushed out of the toilet
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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4/11/2015  9:53 PM
Phil made Krause trade for Bill Cartwright based on defense against other NBA bigs at the time. Playing Harper at PG was about defense. I could go on and on over the years where Phil made clear moves that had a lot to do with better defense. For the most part his history is that he has had good defensive teams. I wouldn't put any weight on the roster this year in terms of what he's going to do going forward. This is the same mistake that people keep making when criticizing Phil. This year wasn't the best example of what he's all about and to make it about this one season rather than all of his previous work is shortsighted.

Why draft Thanasis except for his defense? Keeping Thomas and Amundson was mostly about defense. He clearly wants to have that component to the team. Now that he's gonna have more options to go after the players he needs it should be a better result. Still you have to also understand that there are limits on this plan having to do with who you can actually get. It's not like he's in a fantasy league and can just grab all the best defensive players he wants. Sometimes you have to settle. He clearly settled last summer.

Also it's not ONLY about defense. He want a well balanced team and so there will have to be offensive talents and he's going to want a good offensive team as well as defense.
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4/11/2015  11:22 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:LOL @ this post. You put it so eloquently Briggs! Certainly not awe-inspiring stuff this year from Big Phil

The only thing I see is that Phil did not have the same theories he started with over a year ago. If he holds true to theory--then there is NO way Calderon is a Knick. I'm not sure what to think to be honest.

I think it was more about dumping Tyson than getting Calderon. Phil probably took a flyer on Caldy, but he had identified Tyson as a bad mojo for Knicks (i.e., when a player quits on a team, he gots to go).
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Moonangie wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:LOL @ this post. You put it so eloquently Briggs! Certainly not awe-inspiring stuff this year from Big Phil

The only thing I see is that Phil did not have the same theories he started with over a year ago. If he holds true to theory--then there is NO way Calderon is a Knick. I'm not sure what to think to be honest.

I think it was more about dumping Tyson than getting Calderon. Phil probably took a flyer on Caldy, but he had identified Tyson as a bad mojo for Knicks (i.e., when a player quits on a team, he gots to go).


Yup! Phil watched all the crap we did. I'm sure he had his insights into the locker room and could see Tyson didn't really want to be here. On top of that he wasn't the best fit either.
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BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:LOL @ this post. You put it so eloquently Briggs! Certainly not awe-inspiring stuff this year from Big Phil

The only thing I see is that Phil did not have the same theories he started with over a year ago. If he holds true to theory--then there is NO way Calderon is a Knick. I'm not sure what to think to be honest.

I think it was more about dumping Tyson than getting Calderon. Phil probably took a flyer on Caldy, but he had identified Tyson as a bad mojo for Knicks (i.e., when a player quits on a team, he gots to go).

Yeah but he took on BIG money. If he didnt like Chandler he couldve just waived him instead of bringing on salary. He hasnt played a cool hand at all. Also when someone asked if he knew what pick he wanted he shouldve been quiet--he didnt even go through the full process.

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BRIGGS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:LOL @ this post. You put it so eloquently Briggs! Certainly not awe-inspiring stuff this year from Big Phil

The only thing I see is that Phil did not have the same theories he started with over a year ago. If he holds true to theory--then there is NO way Calderon is a Knick. I'm not sure what to think to be honest.

I think it was more about dumping Tyson than getting Calderon. Phil probably took a flyer on Caldy, but he had identified Tyson as a bad mojo for Knicks (i.e., when a player quits on a team, he gots to go).

Yeah but he took on BIG money. If he didnt like Chandler he couldve just waived him instead of bringing on salary. He hasnt played a cool hand at all. Also when someone asked if he knew what pick he wanted he shouldve been quiet--he didnt even go through the full process.


Why are we still rehashing passed moves? Phil had one thing in mind but now he's got to make different moves. As you've pointed out before, he can still make the decision to Stretch Jose if he has to. This is a different plan from where he started but it's probably for the best. You could do a lot worse than having to absorb one bad contract like Jose.

Expecting Phil to be like a prototypical GM is just misreading who he is. He's a guy that says stuff all the time and he simply being who he's always been. The last thing he cares about is being conformist. What to you seems like a mistake is just part of Phil's way of doing things. Doesn't mean he's made a mistake or that he won't make the right decisions going forward. There are very few bad implications of Phil making the statement he made. You think he was talking about Stein so how does that hurt him if it was Stein he wanted?
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nixluva wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:LOL @ this post. You put it so eloquently Briggs! Certainly not awe-inspiring stuff this year from Big Phil

The only thing I see is that Phil did not have the same theories he started with over a year ago. If he holds true to theory--then there is NO way Calderon is a Knick. I'm not sure what to think to be honest.

I think it was more about dumping Tyson than getting Calderon. Phil probably took a flyer on Caldy, but he had identified Tyson as a bad mojo for Knicks (i.e., when a player quits on a team, he gots to go).


Yup! Phil watched all the crap we did. I'm sure he had his insights into the locker room and could see Tyson didn't really want to be here. On top of that he wasn't the best fit either.

Granted, but you can't take back Calderon in that deal. I said it at the time which is why I feel OK talking about it now. He could've shopped Chandler (that deal with Cuban was the only deal out there?) and say Cuban had the only offer--doesn't mean we had to take it. Phil could've declined it and politely yet firmly told him "look Mark, I can't take back Calderon's salary. Let me know if you come up with something else. This is an all-star caliber C we're talking about here, a DPOY." I know for a fact Cuban wanted Chandler back -- he won it all with that guy as his C and came out publicly about how he regretted trading him in the first place. I think if Phil was a little more patient, we could've gotten a better deal.

Funny that WITH Chandler (say we refused Cuban's offer and never moved him), he would've been good for a few more wins at least and we'd be in worse shape for the draft than we are now. That's the silver lining we can all rejoice in but I'm not giving Phil any credit for that at all--that's just how it worked out. Never his intention.
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4/12/2015  2:18 AM
chandlers clumsy ass would have looked worse tan Sammy in this offense
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4/12/2015  5:28 AM
TPercy wrote:chandlers clumsy ass would have looked worse tan Sammy in this offense

The object wasnt to keep him, but rather get a better deal in moving him. Even Phil has admitted the trade was doo-doo, cant believe fans still try to justify something that Phil has denounced himself.
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