CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think Mudiay should be the pick. I know Phil is a Jedi and doesn't like point guards or whatever, but I hope he pulls his head out of his ass long enough to realize the Knicks need a point guard. Or Phil could just retire and let Isiah make the pick?

The Knicks scouted Mudiay. I agree that he shoukd be the pick. I think Phil takes him or stein. The Knicks seem to have a lot of interest in Stein. Not sure if they have a trade scenario in place if stein is available later or if they would consider him at 4.

So tired of the tears for that bum JR Smith. He had every chance to show his worth in NY. All he did was hang out and be hung over. The true traits of a bum. Shumpert also had four years to become a player. Thanks for nothing guys.

BRIGGS wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

tj23 wrote:I am 100% fine with #4 as long as it still nets us Russell or Mudiay.

I think it could potentially net us either PG. Philly likes Russell now, but there is still a lot of visibility to gain on both. Combine, workouts...things could be in flux. Either way, looks like we'll get our PG of the future.

Winslow is a really nice 2-way player, but I feel he has limited upside. Would not take him at 4. If we could trade down and snag Winslow + WCS/Kaminsky, I would no longer regret losing out on a top 2 pick and Towns/OK4.

My prediction as of now: Mudiay. Just a gut feeling.

Moon--my bet5 is a Willie Stein at C with Kaminsky at 4--that would make willie stein more valuable with Frank as a passer--but I like you're line of thinking--thats how Im thinking---Id rather get a multi asset trade.

Honestly BRIGGS, I am still of the mindset that we should explore trading Melo, perhaps to the Lakers. I am in full rebuild mode b/c I don't see the Knicks' window for contention in the next five years. Melo will miss the boat in NYC, so why stay?

If we could take back the #2 to select our big plus Mudiay/Winslow @4, I'd be willing to take less for Melo than he's worth. Something like the #2 and a top-3 protected first rounder in 2016, with a second rounder this year and some players involved via a third team to make it not ridiculous and match salaries.

I am not a Melo hater...he's a stud. But he ****ed up by making us trade with Denver, so he is better off taking a shot in Chitown or LA. Not gwine happen for him in the City.

callmened wrote:all this means to me is i have to read/watch more about mudiay to get comfy with the idea of drafting him

I have a hard time believing the Knicks will take a 19 year old PG whether the decision is right or wrong. I read tonight that the Knicks have not even scheduled a workout and never went to China to see him play. Think about that.

Knicks GM Steve Mills already spoke with the 6-foot-5 Mudiay at the lottery, his agent told SNY.tv.

“I just know they had a chance to sit and talk, shake hands and exchange pleasantries,” Dwon Clifton said of the brief Mills-Mudiay meeting. Clifton added that he expects Mudiay to go in the 2-4 range.

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ESPN’s Fran Fraschilla compared Mudiay to NBA Hall of Famer Jason Kidd.

“In Mudiay, you have a Jason Kidd-type point guard who’s probably 6-4, 215, powerful, strong, quick, jump shot has to be fixed a little bit but in time could be very good as well,” Fraschilla told SNY’s The 4 Quarters Podcast.

Former Knicks coach Larry Brown, currently coaching at SMU, had hoped to coach Mudiay this past season before he opted to play in China instead. Brown compared Mudiay to John Wall of the Wizards and Deron Williams of the Nets.

“I look at John and the way he’s evolved and I feel comfortable that Emmanuel is a lot like that,” Brown told SNY.tv in March.

Brown also compared Mudiay to Deron Williams of the Nets, and touted Mudiay’s abilities as a defender and rebounder in addition to his skill set in running a ball club.

“I think when Deron Williams was healthy and young [they were similar],” Brown said. “He shot the ball better than Emmanuel but Emmanuel’s shot is not broken. If you’re conscientious, you can become a reasonable shooter if you’re shot’s not broken and his shot is not broken. But he doesn’t need to shoot to be effective because I think he’s pass-first. I think he’s a special defender and I think he’s an elite rebounder.”

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

callmened wrote:all this means to me is i have to read/watch more about mudiay to get comfy with the idea of drafting him

I have a hard time believing the Knicks will take a 19 year old PG whether the decision is right or wrong. I read tonight that the Knicks have not even scheduled a workout and never went to China to see him play. Think about that.

I think the Knicks will schedule a workout now that they know the players in range of where they're drafting. Due diligence would suggest that the Knicks MUST scout every player and have good intel on worthy players. It would make no sense not to scout a top prospect. The Knicks can't know for sure that they won't have to keep the #4 pick and so they may very well have to make sure that they get the best player possible. It's just part of the process. The may have intent to see what they can get in a trade but what if you can't make a deal? You MUST make sure that you can get the best player at that pick if you have to keep it.

Proper planning would suggest you're prepared for any eventuality and many different scenarios. You should have a plan for what you would do with picks 1-5 and what you'd do based on every possible draft mock. You should have a plan for what to do if all the top players you want are gone and you can't make a trade. In this case #4 means there are lot of players left to choose from and you should plan workouts to make sure you're making the right decision, whether that's a trade of keeping the pick.

Teams will miss the gun on Kaminsky. Big white slow whatever you want--best player at 4. 7-1 Face up 4 with all of the skills. If I was Steve Mills Id figure out who DOES not want Kaminsky from 5 down and when he stops--then he should work on a scenario where we may look ot trade down and pick up a 2016 #1 and kaminsky OR someone who can get us Jordan Mickey ion the back of the draft.

BRIGGS wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

tj23 wrote:I am 100% fine with #4 as long as it still nets us Russell or Mudiay.

I think it could potentially net us either PG. Philly likes Russell now, but there is still a lot of visibility to gain on both. Combine, workouts...things could be in flux. Either way, looks like we'll get our PG of the future.

Winslow is a really nice 2-way player, but I feel he has limited upside. Would not take him at 4. If we could trade down and snag Winslow + WCS/Kaminsky, I would no longer regret losing out on a top 2 pick and Towns/OK4.

My prediction as of now: Mudiay. Just a gut feeling.

Moon--my bet5 is a Willie Stein at C with Kaminsky at 4--that would make willie stein more valuable with Frank as a passer--but I like you're line of thinking--thats how Im thinking---Id rather get a multi asset trade.

Honestly BRIGGS, I am still of the mindset that we should explore trading Melo, perhaps to the Lakers. I am in full rebuild mode b/c I don't see the Knicks' window for contention in the next five years. Melo will miss the boat in NYC, so why stay?

If we could take back the #2 to select our big plus Mudiay/Winslow @4, I'd be willing to take less for Melo than he's worth. Something like the #2 and a top-3 protected first rounder in 2016, with a second rounder this year and some players involved via a third team to make it not ridiculous and match salaries.

I am not a Melo hater...he's a stud. But he ****ed up by making us trade with Denver, so he is better off taking a shot in Chitown or LA. Not gwine happen for him in the City.

I think Dolan would trade his mother before he traded Melo.

Dolan is primarily a businessman, he's not blowing Melo weekly. He wants to do whatever will get the Garden rocking again. IMO, that's about winning and competing in the Playoffs, and title contention. So his decision-making will be based around profitability, which should align well with getting back to contention.

Maybe he thinks Melo has enough to get there, but last season told me otherwise.