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holfresh
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4/2/2015  3:17 PM
Nothing finalized until June but the framework for a deal that limits Iran's nuclear capabilities are in place...Congress you're up to bat...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-talks.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

LAUSANNE, Switzerland — Iran and European nations said here tonight that they had reached a surprisingly specific and comprehensive general understanding about next steps in limiting Tehran’s nuclear program, but officials said that some important issues needed to be resolved before a final agreement in June that would allow the Obama administration to assert it has cut off all of Iran’s pathways to a nuclear weapon.

Both Germany’s foreign office and President Hassan Rouhani of Iran said that key parameters of a framework for a final accord had been reached, with the details to be negotiated by June 30. But Western diplomats cautioned that on several of the key issues that were debated here for the past eight days between Secretary of State John Kerry and his Iranian counterpart, Mohammad Javad Zarif, there were still significant differences.

Nevertheless, there was no mistaking the upbeat mood surrounding the announcement. “We have stopped a cycle that is not in the interest of anybody,” an exuberant Mr. Zarif said at a news conference after the announcement.

President Obama spoke from the White House on Thursday after a nuclear deal was announced with Iran.
By AP on Publish Date April 2, 2015. Photo by Mike Theiler/Reuters.

Britain’s foreign secretary, Philip Hammond, said in a statement, “This is well beyond what many of us thought possible even 18 months ago and a good basis for what I believe could be a very good deal.” Mr. Kerry is scheduled to give a news conference, at which he is expected to provide some details of the American understanding of what was negotiated.

According to European officials, roughly 5,000 centrifuges will remain spinning enriched uranium at the main nuclear site at Natanz, about half the number currently running. The giant underground enrichment site at Fordo — which Israeli and some American officials fear is impervious to bombing — will be partly converted to advanced nuclear research and the production of medical isotopes. Foreign scientists will be present. There will be no fissile material present that could be used to make a bomb.

A major reactor at Arak, which officials feared could produce plutonium, would operate on a limited basis that would not provide enough fuel for a bomb.

In return the European Union and the United States would begin to lift sanctions, as Iran complied. At a news conference after the announcement, Mr. Zarif said that essentially all sanctions would be lifted after the final agreement is signed.

The announcement was made at a university in Lausanne, with Mr. Kerry standing with his fellow foreign ministers. But the first statement came from the European Union’s foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini, and Mr. Zarif. “Today we have taken a decisive step. We have reached solutions on key parameters of a comprehensive political solution.”

President Obama was scheduled to make an announcement at the White House, hoping that the detail announced here tonight — more comprehensive than had been expected — would hold off congressional action to place additional sanctions on Iran. But it is unclear whether the White House will try to find a way for Congress to indicate its approval or disapproval of whatever agreement emerges on June 30, assuming the final accord can be reached.

Western diplomats were quick to warn that there was more to do. “The fine detail of any deal will be very important, Mr. Hammond said, “in particular specifics of oversight measures and mechanisms for handling U.N. Security Council resolutions.”

For example, it was unclear how and whether Iran would be compelled to answer the International Atomic Energy Agency’s outstanding questions about “possible military dimensions” of Iran’s program in the past.

Mr. Zarif, speaking in Lausanne, said “none of those measures require closing any of our facilities,” something he said the “proud people” of Iran would never allow. He said, for example, that centrifuges would remain in the underground Fordo site, but that no enrichment of uranium would take place there.

It was the kind of careful balance that marks the deal: Allowing Iran to keep its facilties running, but under restrictions that would reach President Obama’s goal that it would take more than a year to produce a weapon’s worth of material.
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Secretary of State John Kerry, in Lausanne, Switzerland, watched President Obama speak Thursday at the White House about the general agreement reached with Iran on its nuclear program. Credit Pool photo by Brendan Smialowski

Still, Mr. Zarif said “we are still some time away from being where we want to be,” suggesting that the negotiation of the details would be difficult.

Just minutes before the announcements, Mr. Zarif sent out a Twitter message saying the negotiators had “found solutions” and were, “Ready to start drafting immediately.” Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, sent a similar tweet.

Obama administration officials have insisted that the current round of talks here produce more than a general understanding. They want a “quantitative dimension” — that is, specific limits on Iran’s nuclear program that the White House can cite to push back against congressional moves for additional sanctions.

Indeed, good news IF Iran operates in "good faith" and allows the inspectors back in.The sanctions "snap back" format is also good - I can...


"It will cut off every pathway that Iran could take to develop a nuclear weapon." - ObamaBOLD words indeed!


It sounds like Iran agreed to nothing. They were claiming all along to not be producing bomb material and now they say that they will...


President Obama had set March 31 as a deadline for reaching a political accord to define the main terms of a final, comprehensive agreement due by the end of June.

The Obama administration has extended that self-imposed deadline. But at the same time the White House has warned publicly that it is prepared to step back from the diplomacy if it is clear that the initial accord cannot be reached.

An all-night round of talks ended at 6 a.m. local time on Thursday, or midnight Eastern time. Mr. Zarif noted that some diplomats had not slept, and fatigue was visible on the faces of some aides who straggled into the breakfast room of the luxury hotel here where the talks are being held under tight security.

Shortly before 11 a.m., the deliberations resumed as Mr. Kerry met with Ms. Mogherini and the chief diplomats of Britain, France and Germany. Russia and China, whose foreign minsters have left the talks, were represented by lower-ranking officials.

Mr. Zarif said the purpose of the meeting would be to assess the “solutions” that Iran had discussed with the Americans and their negotiating partners overnight.

The form of any understanding with Iran has been at issue for weeks.

But there have been other complicated questions, including how quickly sanctions on Iran might be eased and what nuclear research would be permitted on advanced centrifuges.

An idea to suspend certain United Nations sanctions temporarily but to arrange for them to automatically “snap back” into place if Iran does not fulfill its commitments under a nuclear accord has also prompted concerns from Russia that such a procedure might dilute the authority of its Security Council veto power.

For weeks, some critics have complained that the March 31 deadline the Obama administration had set for a preliminary accord might diminish its leverage in the talks by adding to the pressure on American negotiators to make last-minute concessions.

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4/2/2015  4:07 PM
This means absolutely nothing.,
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4/2/2015  4:38 PM
BRIGGS wrote:This means absolutely nothing.,

Was hoping it would trigger more thoughtful responses but ok...It's a start...

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4/3/2015  1:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/3/2015  2:09 AM
There are so many story lines in this deal...How about the Saudi's not wanting the deal because they fear that Iran with a population of 77.4 million people is now the dominant player and largest economy in the Middle East..How about the Saudi's and most Gulf states wanting and needing oil to be trading around 100 dollars a barrel to float their economy, it's below $50 a barrel as I type..Who is going to fund Al Qaeda now?? I know, the Saudis..A deal with Iran floods the market with Iranian Oil...New military dictator in Egypt isn't happy...Obama just removed weapons freeze to Egypt...Seems like we will be selling a few more F16s and bullets in the Middle East...
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4/3/2015  4:33 AM
I don't get why more people don't see the distraction with Iran and Nuclear Weapons.
Russia is an ally of theirs, trade partner, etc. If Russia wants Iran to have Nukes they will have them.
All the more reason for the US to not meddle in the Ukraine, unless...
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4/3/2015  6:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/3/2015  6:39 AM
This is the last thing I give a **** about when coming to good ol' UK.


Never a better example of why it would be nice if people USED THE OFF TOPIC FORUM!!!

[quote="jrodmc"] Melo is stupid. [/quote]
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4/3/2015  6:43 AM
Hector wrote:This is the last thing I give a **** about when coming to good ol' UK.


Never a better example of why it would be nice if people USED THE OFF TOPIC FORUM!!!

A possible nuclear bomb going off is kind of a big deal.
The convention here has been to post these threads here and move them to the OT forum after about a day.

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4/3/2015  8:02 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Hector wrote:This is the last thing I give a **** about when coming to good ol' UK.


Never a better example of why it would be nice if people USED THE OFF TOPIC FORUM!!!

A possible nuclear bomb going off is kind of a big deal.
The convention here has been to post these threads here and move them to the OT forum after about a day.


You have just given the reason why the other forums are ignored & why the place suffers for that.
But hey, you have been here ten years, if that's how you like it everyone else should like that way too I guess.

[quote="jrodmc"] Melo is stupid. [/quote]
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4/3/2015  8:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/3/2015  8:12 AM
Hector wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Hector wrote:This is the last thing I give a **** about when coming to good ol' UK.


Never a better example of why it would be nice if people USED THE OFF TOPIC FORUM!!!

A possible nuclear bomb going off is kind of a big deal.
The convention here has been to post these threads here and move them to the OT forum after about a day.


You have just given the reason why the other forums are ignored & why the place suffers for that.
But hey, you have been here ten years, if that's how you like it everyone else should like that way too I guess.


I get what you're saying but it sounds like more effort than it's worth and unlikely to work at this point if you want to transition people to the other forums.
There are a lot of great minds here and I do enjoy seeing what they think on current events occasionally. It actually really interests me when someone I normally disagree with on bball issues sees world events the same way I do.
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4/3/2015  8:15 AM
A historic framework for what could be a great deal.
You've never been sold a used car before, huh?

More historic BS from the great Obama administration. And who says there won't be any fissile material? The UN? The British?

Great, so our tremendous outgoing POTUS brokers a deal that leaves everything in place but manages to push bomb grade manufacture out long enough so he won't be in office if and when it happens. Nice.

If Satan Bush had brokered some pile of smelly sheehit like this, most of you would be going insane.

Legacy manufacturing starts at home.

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4/3/2015  8:16 AM
Never negotiate out of fear and never fear to negotiate. JFK. Congrats Mr. President, way to focus on what's important and ignore all the distractions.
Bring back dee-fense
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4/3/2015  8:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/3/2015  8:33 AM
jrodmc wrote:A historic framework for what could be a great deal.
You've never been sold a used car before, huh?

More historic BS from the great Obama administration. And who says there won't be any fissile material? The UN? The British?

Great, so our tremendous outgoing POTUS brokers a deal that leaves everything in place but manages to push bomb grade manufacture out long enough so he won't be in office if and when it happens. Nice.

If Satan Bush had brokered some pile of smelly sheehit like this, most of you would be going insane.

Legacy manufacturing starts at home.

This is NOT Obama's deal. I hate how the media presents it that way. It's the United States, Britain, China, France, Russia, and Germany - a coalition of officials representing about 2 billion people. Sure you could say they're all wrong and the brilliant Republican Congress is right or you could urge the Republicans to join the rest of the world.
What's the alternative? War? Do nothing like the Bush admin did while Iran's nuclear facilities further progress?

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4/3/2015  8:46 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:A historic framework for what could be a great deal.
You've never been sold a used car before, huh?

More historic BS from the great Obama administration. And who says there won't be any fissile material? The UN? The British?

Great, so our tremendous outgoing POTUS brokers a deal that leaves everything in place but manages to push bomb grade manufacture out long enough so he won't be in office if and when it happens. Nice.

If Satan Bush had brokered some pile of smelly sheehit like this, most of you would be going insane.

Legacy manufacturing starts at home.

This is NOT Obama's deal. I hate how the media presents it that way. It's the United States, Britain, China, France, Russia, and Germany - a coalition of officials representing about 2 billion people.
What's the alternative? War? Do nothing like the Bush admin did while Iran's nuclear facilities further progress?

I see your point but disagree that it's not his deal. Presidents have the responsibility for all that happens under their watch. As you point out we wouldn't be negotiating had we had a different president. We have Obamacare, which is really the Affordable Care Act. Gas prices go up - Obama gets blamed, gas prices go down same deal. So while other nations are party to the deal we are the lead nation. IMHO it's not bad that President Obama gets the credit.
Had negotiations blown up enemies of the president would have said, Obama doesn't now what he's doing, he's in ver his head blah..blah... blah. Gotta give the man credit, opening up Cuba and now Iran.

Bring back dee-fense
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4/3/2015  9:08 AM
Yeah, I meant it's not JUST his deal
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4/3/2015  9:16 AM
Great point. I think that's also called spreading culpability. If it goes south, or the proud Iranians start testing nukes anyway, someone can blame it on those other 2 billion people.

Not going to comment on what it's possibly going to accomplish: pushing Iran's nuclear capabilities out one year.

Timing is everything.

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4/3/2015  9:48 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Hector wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Hector wrote:This is the last thing I give a **** about when coming to good ol' UK.


Never a better example of why it would be nice if people USED THE OFF TOPIC FORUM!!!

A possible nuclear bomb going off is kind of a big deal.
The convention here has been to post these threads here and move them to the OT forum after about a day.


You have just given the reason why the other forums are ignored & why the place suffers for that.
But hey, you have been here ten years, if that's how you like it everyone else should like that way too I guess.


I get what you're saying but it sounds like more effort than it's worth and unlikely to work at this point if you want to transition people to the other forums.
There are a lot of great minds here and I do enjoy seeing what they think on current events occasionally. It actually really interests me when someone I normally disagree with on bball issues sees world events the same way I do.


Well said, & I appreciate the way you made your point.

I like off topic issues as well, but I just like things in their place.
I'm very obsessive/compulsive when it comes to my message boards I guess

If we could get a vbulletin makeover, this place would be pretty good.

(I want my PM box! I thought management said they were coming!)

[quote="jrodmc"] Melo is stupid. [/quote]
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4/3/2015  10:05 AM
Hector wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Hector wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Hector wrote:This is the last thing I give a **** about when coming to good ol' UK.


Never a better example of why it would be nice if people USED THE OFF TOPIC FORUM!!!

A possible nuclear bomb going off is kind of a big deal.
The convention here has been to post these threads here and move them to the OT forum after about a day.


You have just given the reason why the other forums are ignored & why the place suffers for that.
But hey, you have been here ten years, if that's how you like it everyone else should like that way too I guess.


I get what you're saying but it sounds like more effort than it's worth and unlikely to work at this point if you want to transition people to the other forums.
There are a lot of great minds here and I do enjoy seeing what they think on current events occasionally. It actually really interests me when someone I normally disagree with on bball issues sees world events the same way I do.


Well said, & I appreciate the way you made your point.

I like off topic issues as well, but I just like things in their place.
I'm very obsessive/compulsive when it comes to my message boards I guess

If we could get a vbulletin makeover, this place would be pretty good.

(I want my PM box! I thought management said they were coming!)

The intern is working on it.

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4/3/2015  10:26 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Hector wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Hector wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Hector wrote:This is the last thing I give a **** about when coming to good ol' UK.


Never a better example of why it would be nice if people USED THE OFF TOPIC FORUM!!!

A possible nuclear bomb going off is kind of a big deal.
The convention here has been to post these threads here and move them to the OT forum after about a day.


You have just given the reason why the other forums are ignored & why the place suffers for that.
But hey, you have been here ten years, if that's how you like it everyone else should like that way too I guess.


I get what you're saying but it sounds like more effort than it's worth and unlikely to work at this point if you want to transition people to the other forums.
There are a lot of great minds here and I do enjoy seeing what they think on current events occasionally. It actually really interests me when someone I normally disagree with on bball issues sees world events the same way I do.


Well said, & I appreciate the way you made your point.

I like off topic issues as well, but I just like things in their place.
I'm very obsessive/compulsive when it comes to my message boards I guess

If we could get a vbulletin makeover, this place would be pretty good.

(I want my PM box! I thought management said they were coming!)

The intern is working on it.

I'm sure she is - once she gets out of Marbury's jeep


[quote="jrodmc"] Melo is stupid. [/quote]
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4/3/2015  11:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/3/2015  11:29 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:I don't get why more people don't see the distraction with Iran and Nuclear Weapons.
Russia is an ally of theirs, trade partner, etc. If Russia wants Iran to have Nukes they will have them.
All the more reason for the US to not meddle in the Ukraine, unless...

Alliances can be fickle and I think this deal can test the resiliency Russia's and Iran's. If what Bonn says is true and this deal leads to Iranian oil being sold in Europe, it directly undercuts the Russian economy who seemed to have a monopoly on that market. I can't see Russia being especially thrilled by such a development, which could damage the relations between those two countries. If you look at it from this perspective, this might actually be a brilliant play for NATO nations...that and Germany harnessing 74% of its energy from renewable sources.

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4/3/2015  11:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/3/2015  11:31 AM
jrodmc wrote:A historic framework for what could be a great deal.
You've never been sold a used car before, huh?

More historic BS from the great Obama administration. And who says there won't be any fissile material? The UN? The British?

Great, so our tremendous outgoing POTUS brokers a deal that leaves everything in place but manages to push bomb grade manufacture out long enough so he won't be in office if and when it happens. Nice.

If Satan Bush had brokered some pile of smelly sheehit like this, most of you would be going insane.

Legacy manufacturing starts at home.

The potential benefits outweight the drawbacks in the deal. Iran is becoming far more progressive because of a younger generation with a more liberal mindset. With the climate there changing, the groundwork needs to be laid for reconciliation. The fact that we are allying ourselves with them to fight ISIS in nearby countries is proof enough that we do not need to consistently view this country as an adversery.

And even if Iran were able to manufacture weapon's grade uranium, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden they'd have a nuclear weapon worth a damn. The payload is one of several important technologies that need to be developed for that to even be feasible, particularly in regards to the delivery system. We're several thousand miles away and it is no small feat to target us from their location. And with the opportunity now to become major players in the global energy market, I doubt they risk it for some weapons they'll never even use.

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