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Ugh. Sad for this dude. Hope this isn't a Yao Ming situation.

If you read that press release - they're talking about having to do a BONE GRAFT in his foot. Which only 5%-8% of Jones fractures require. That sounds pretty damn serious. Ugh.

(And I reallllly hope the Knicks don't trade for him.)

As for the Knicks, there's IMO ZERO chance that they make a deal for him. There's no reason to take the chance when we can get our own Franchise player this summer without taking the risk. Anyone who tries to push this rumor is just living in a world of Knick cliche. Phil specifically mentioned the McDyess deal as a huge mistake. Why would he then do the same thing again?

Is that a bit out there? BRIGGS can you help me here?

BRIGGS wrote:This wont deter the Knicks with Dolan.

That's my fear.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Feel bad for KD. I LOVE him as a player.

As for the Knicks, there's IMO ZERO chance that they make a deal for him. There's no reason to take the chance when we can get our own Franchise player this summer without taking the risk. Anyone who tries to push this rumor is just living in a world of Knick cliche. Phil specifically mentioned the McDyess deal as a huge mistake. Why would he then do the same thing again?

Did he actually mention the McDyess deal as a mistake? Do you have a link? Sincere question. That would make me feel much better about the draft.

This is why I keep posting what Phil ACTUALLY says over and over on this forum, just so we have all the facts and the most accurate info on what Phil really thinks as opposed to all the media stuff and some fans that dislike him posting things he hasn't said.

“[People] have told me many times that there’s been this impression that maybe the team should blow it up and should start over again and it’s never happened,” Jackson said. “It’s always been going after the next big star, Antonio McDyess and so forth and so on. We all know that history of the Knicks in the past. I was there when we went out and got Spencer Haywood and then we went out and got Bob McAdoo and we kept searching for the big star to change our fortunes, which has never happened over the last 45 years or so.

“The reality is this is probably the best way to go about the business. And to begin and to restart and to do it the right way and put it together in a way that really makes sense instead of bringing dominant people in to try and fit into this jigsaw puzzle makes it pretty difficult. We hope we’re on the right track even though this isn’t the track we anticipated.”

okay - that's a good quote from Phil. thanks. I hope he sticks to his guns.

though my fear is that if there is a trade on the table for a "superstar" like Durant or Love, Dolan will overrule Phil. Donnie didn't want to give too much for Melo and then Dolan stepped in and overruled him. Something we heard would not happen. I think Phil has a little more respect with Dolan than Donnie did... but we'll see.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This wont deter the Knicks with Dolan.

That's my fear.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Feel bad for KD. I LOVE him as a player.

As for the Knicks, there's IMO ZERO chance that they make a deal for him. There's no reason to take the chance when we can get our own Franchise player this summer without taking the risk. Anyone who tries to push this rumor is just living in a world of Knick cliche. Phil specifically mentioned the McDyess deal as a huge mistake. Why would he then do the same thing again?

Did he actually mention the McDyess deal as a mistake? Do you have a link? Sincere question. That would make me feel much better about the draft.

This is why I keep posting what Phil ACTUALLY says over and over on this forum, just so we have all the facts and the most accurate info on what Phil really thinks as opposed to all the media stuff and some fans that dislike him posting things he hasn't said.

“[People] have told me many times that there’s been this impression that maybe the team should blow it up and should start over again and it’s never happened,” Jackson said. “It’s always been going after the next big star, Antonio McDyess and so forth and so on. We all know that history of the Knicks in the past. I was there when we went out and got Spencer Haywood and then we went out and got Bob McAdoo and we kept searching for the big star to change our fortunes, which has never happened over the last 45 years or so.

“The reality is this is probably the best way to go about the business. And to begin and to restart and to do it the right way and put it together in a way that really makes sense instead of bringing dominant people in to try and fit into this jigsaw puzzle makes it pretty difficult. We hope we’re on the right track even though this isn’t the track we anticipated.”

okay - that's a good quote from Phil. thanks. I hope he sticks to his guns.

though my fear is that if there is a trade on the table for a "superstar" like Durant or Love, Dolan will overrule Phil. Donnie didn't want to give too much for Melo and then Dolan stepped in and overruled him. Something we heard would not happen. I think Phil has a little more respect with Dolan than Donnie did... but we'll see.

I think Dolan has backed himself in a corner and has to let Phil have his way. If he doesnt like it tough crap. After Isiah, Larry Brown, Layden, Donnie... Even a little troll like Dolan has his limitations. If this fails its Phil's failure NOT his.

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Feel bad for KD. I LOVE him as a player.

As for the Knicks, there's IMO ZERO chance that they make a deal for him. There's no reason to take the chance when we can get our own Franchise player this summer without taking the risk. Anyone who tries to push this rumor is just living in a world of Knick cliche. Phil specifically mentioned the McDyess deal as a huge mistake. Why would he then do the same thing again?

Did he actually mention the McDyess deal as a mistake? Do you have a link? Sincere question. That would make me feel much better about the draft.

This is why I keep posting what Phil ACTUALLY says over and over on this forum, just so we have all the facts and the most accurate info on what Phil really thinks as opposed to all the media stuff and some fans that dislike him posting things he hasn't said.

“[People] have told me many times that there’s been this impression that maybe the team should blow it up and should start over again and it’s never happened,” Jackson said. “It’s always been going after the next big star, Antonio McDyess and so forth and so on. We all know that history of the Knicks in the past. I was there when we went out and got Spencer Haywood and then we went out and got Bob McAdoo and we kept searching for the big star to change our fortunes, which has never happened over the last 45 years or so.

“The reality is this is probably the best way to go about the business. And to begin and to restart and to do it the right way and put it together in a way that really makes sense instead of bringing dominant people in to try and fit into this jigsaw puzzle makes it pretty difficult. We hope we’re on the right track even though this isn’t the track we anticipated.”

okay - that's a good quote from Phil. thanks. I hope he sticks to his guns.

though my fear is that if there is a trade on the table for a "superstar" like Durant or Love, Dolan will overrule Phil. Donnie didn't want to give too much for Melo and then Dolan stepped in and overruled him. Something we heard would not happen. I think Phil has a little more respect with Dolan than Donnie did... but we'll see.

I think Dolan has backed himself in a corner and has to let Phil have his way. If he doesnt like it tough crap. After Isiah, Larry Brown, Layden, Donnie... Even a little troll like Dolan has his limitations. If this fails its Phil's failure NOT his.

Dolan won't be calling the shots on this kind of deal. Phil IMO would rather quit than be forced to make a deal he didn't want like Donnie. He's just got too big of an ego to be punk'd to that degree. Also I honestly think Dolan is giving Phil the Glen Sather treatment. He has so much respect for these men that I doubt he'd assume he knew better. Think about how you'd feel if you were in a room with Phil and all his rings and knowing the fans would absolutely go ballistic if you messed with Phil at this critical juncture. Dolan isn't crazy. He knows fans already don't like him and he won't win in a battle with Phil over something like this. HE also knows Phil wouldn't bite his tongue and would take to social media and the press KILLING Dolan for going back on his word.

I agree with you 100% Nix. There is NO way they trade for Durant. If somehow they do, then Phil is gone and so am I. C'mon guys lets see less negativity here and believe Phil is running the show.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Obviously i would much rather have Love/Monroe and Towns/Okafor/Russell than just Durant. I firmly believe we will land either Love or Monroe this summer. Even if its Okafor that is drafted, and defense is an issue, we will still sign one of those 2 players and have an elite offensive frontcourt (although weak defensively.)

Im going to hold off on free agency until the draft but I have zero interest in Love or Monroe. Right now Id love to focus on really being aggressive towards this draft. I'm really disappointed in what we have as a our core roster right now--the guys Jackson wants back. Id love it if we can somehow get that pick #19 from OKC and a couple of more 2's and come away with 2 bigs and 2 guards and add 2 more undrafted players to bring 6 new guys to SL with the anticipation of moving a couple to Europe and maybe 1 to Westchester and 3 or possibly 4 to NY. The draft next year will be porous so the time to hit the hot iron is this year.

We lucked out in terms of when we actually own our pick, no doubt about that. Next year it will be unfortunate not to have our pick, but obviously if we had to choose, this is the year to have a top pick. Seems like 3 franchise players, maybe more. But it is not realistic to think we are going to invest heavily in the draft, other than our own top pick, and maybe adding a late 1st/2nd round pick for a player Phil likes. It's all about finding that happy medium. The reason i like Love and Monroe (despite defensive shortcomings) is we have the opportunity to add a player who is young but will put up all-star numbers right away. Monroe is 24 and Love is 26, so it's possible we will get a player who can have an impact on this team the next 10 years. Add a 19 year old rookie and obviously you are talking even more than that, but the core of Monroe/Love and Okafor/Towns/Russellis a 10+ year opportunity for success. We talk about organic talent, well even though Love/Monroe isn't organic, it's the next best thing. Melo might have 2-3 more years of good, all-star production. As he fades, you have Monroe or Love able to go from the 2nd option to the first. Then you have Towns/Okafor/Russell ready to go from the 3rd to the 2nd, and then someday to the 1st. You have real franchise core continuity. The type of continuity we are seeing in San Antonio right now, and what has allowed Duncan and Dirk in Dallas to produce good numbers in less minutes. This is what this franchise needs. Not players in the same window as Melo, or a supporting cast made up of rookies, but a combination of everything.

I wouldn't even care how they all meshed on the court. I'd collect as many talented player with the intent of stockpiling assets for the inevitable Anthony Davis sweepstakes. That boy will not be staying in New Orleans, so we need to prepare ourselves to indulge the possibility of him becoming a Knick. Kevin Love and our draft pick (e.g. Karl Towns) would be two great bargaining chips to make something happen. And if we follow through on your plan, we'd already have Monroe and Melo on board who are perfect fits for one another.