crzymdups wrote:Yeah George Karl is not taking Melo back.

What about Melo to the Lakers for their draft pick?

crzymdups wrote:Yeah George Karl is not taking Melo back.

What about Melo to the Lakers for their draft pick?

Thats all fussy talk with Karl--he also said Melo has a chance to be a title winner in NY. Sacramento also needs a way to improve. We dont have anything near in place that Sacramento does--including a vet coach. With Cousins Gay and Melo--they could fill in the rest much easier. We have 0 players that compare to those two.

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Yeah George Karl is not taking Melo back.

What about Melo to the Lakers for their draft pick?

Thats all fussy talk with Karl--he also said Melo has a chance to be a title winner in NY. Sacramento also needs a way to improve. We dont have anything near in place that Sacramento does--including a vet coach. With Cousins Gay and Melo--they could fill in the rest much easier. We have 0 players that compare to those two.

Gay and Melo essentially play the same position. Cousins demands the ball a lot. I don't think that's a good fit even basketball-wise.

Plus, Melo has to agree to a trade, too. I just don't see them wanting to get back together. Melo wants to be a media/business mogul in NY. You'd have to trade him to Brooklyn or LA or maybe Chicago.

During the first half of the TNT broadcast, Karl reiterated statements he had made to the media earlier in the week, saying of Melo: “Defensive focus, his demand of himself, is what frustrated us more than anything.”

Very shortly after that, Anthony tweeted: “are u serious. Some people never (cease) to amaze me. Unbelievable.” Then Melo followed that with “WHEN THE GRASS IS CUT THE SNAKES WILL SHOW.” (Anthony did not return a text when asked about the tweets.)

http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/2011/02/25/knicks-sf-carmelo-anthony-responds-to-nuggets-coach-george-karl-today/3170/

I do like the idea of trading Melo for assets but Phil need to try to get two more pieces thru the draft and free agency. If not, then perhaps Melo would agree (See my post about "Melo and the cultural revolution) were I outline a Melo Trade scenario).

Melo's trade value will be determined by his knee.

crzymdups wrote:Bottom line - if Melo gets traded, it's going to be his people at CAA in the driver's seat, because our organization is terrible and has no leadership. How many times has it been reported that no one calls the Knicks about trades because they don't even know who to call in the organization. The organization is a mess and it starts at the top with Dolan.

Dolan won't want to let go of Melo, because that's his signature move (in his warped mind) as owner of the Knicks - when he jumped in and threw Donnie Walsh's credibility out the window and gave up half the team for Melo. Walsh retired, Melo got about 200M dolan bux over two contracts, the Knicks got pasted in the first round a few times and the rest is history.

Do you still think this way with the Hiring of PHil Jax?

Nalod wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Bottom line - if Melo gets traded, it's going to be his people at CAA in the driver's seat, because our organization is terrible and has no leadership. How many times has it been reported that no one calls the Knicks about trades because they don't even know who to call in the organization. The organization is a mess and it starts at the top with Dolan.

Dolan won't want to let go of Melo, because that's his signature move (in his warped mind) as owner of the Knicks - when he jumped in and threw Donnie Walsh's credibility out the window and gave up half the team for Melo. Walsh retired, Melo got about 200M dolan bux over two contracts, the Knicks got pasted in the first round a few times and the rest is history.

Do you still think this way with the Hiring of PHil Jax?

My first misgivings about Phil were when I realized they backed out of the Kyle Lowry trade because the Phil negotiations were starting. My second was trading Tyson. I understood trading JR and Shump, but didn't like it.

Basically, how he handles this draft and this summer's FA will determine how I think of him long-term. Can he hit a few home runs? Sure. I would really truly love for that to happen. I want to watch a competitive team. I am just very worried based on what I've seen from Phil and what I KNOW from Dolan (and also what I know from Melo's input into trades/roster moves so far).

I'm worried. Phil can have a great summer. He can also have a more traditional Dolan Knicks summer where we wind up with no lotto pick, Kevin Love and Rondo. (I mean, don't get me wrong, that'd be a fun squad and I'd tune in, but it's just stupid asset and cap management and starchasing and all the rest)

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Yeah George Karl is not taking Melo back.

What about Melo to the Lakers for their draft pick?

I think thats feasible... I really do

Next year is his 13th in the league & now he has a bum knee.
Any team that trades for him is as stupid as the Knicks have been for a decade & a half.

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:for Thompson Ben Mclemore and their #6/7 pick in the draft. That would give Sacramento their big 3. Its a nice part of the country and Melo would be much closer to a winning situation than he has in any such way here.

Sacramento is the one team where you can't put anything above/below them to do. They just aren't very predictable.

Vivek Ranadive is an absolute gambler in that regard. Would he make a trade for Melo? I'd say Yes.

Would McLemore and a first round, 2nd tier lottery pick be enough? Maybe

Would Melo waive his No Trade Clause to go to Sacramento? No, I can't see it. It would take something like a major divorce and scandal for it to happen.

I do believe that if Ranadive could sit down with Melo, he could explain to him how anyone can be marketed anywhere, I'm just not sure Melo would even understand that. The other issue is no matter what kind of major marketing strategy you have to try to "brand" yourself, the general public will not tend to embrace a guy who hasn't won a championship and on top of that, a guy who seems like a mercenary.

Analysts panned both the Rudy Gay and Darren Collision moves and yet both weren't the giant sinkholes as predicted.

Ranadive might be trying to model what the Cincy Bengals did a decade ago, which is become a haven for wayward talent.

Tyler Perry isn't making his sub standard Madea ready for cable all black cast movies in Sacto though. Melo would literally need to be divorced for this to happen.

Its a good high quality trade for both teams. I think that makes Sacramento on par with many teams talent wise--the harder work is done there.

The Knicks acquire a @G that has the ability in year 3 to rise to a 15-17 point SG and 2 top 7 picks in which the experts are calling the best draft since Carmelo was drafted AND an additional 8-10mm in cap space for this year.

That would give us a starting 2 G 40mm in cash to spend and 2 top 7 picks. Its better for both teams. It would give Phil Jackson a chance to truly mold a team the way he wanted to.