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Woodson: If I were Knicks coach, I would’ve fought to keep Chandler
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mreinman
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3/26/2015  2:18 PM
http://nypost.com/2015/03/26/woodson-if-i-were-knicks-coach-i-wouldve-fought-to-keep-chandler/

Imagine how things might have been different if Knicks president Phil Jackson had been impressed enough with Mike Woodson’s 16-5 finish last season to allow the coach to finish out his contract this season.
One thing is for sure: Woodson would have fought to keep center Tyson Chandler, whom Jackson couldn’t jettison fast enough the day before the NBA draft.
“Had I stayed on board, I probably would’ve pushed to keep Tyson and keep the core group together because that’s what won the 54 games two years ago,’’ Woodson, now a Clippers assistant, said Wednesday night before his new team clobbered the Knicks, 111-80. “But people change. You got to live with it. They’ve had a tough season so far.
“Hopefully they can rebound this summer and put some pieces together and get back to winning basketball games.’’
Woodson, wearing a blue and red Clippers tie, was back at the Garden for the first time since finishing out last season 37-45, after which he was fired. Clippers coach Doc Rivers had Woodson sub for him in the postgame press conference as a reward.
“We are playing for something,’’ Woodson said of his 47-25 club.
Last season’s Knicks clip seemed awful at the time as they finished one game out of the playoffs. But in comparison to the 2014-15, league-worst, 14-58 stink, last season smells like a red rose.
Woodson proved his worth in 2012-13 when he guided the Knicks to an Atlantic Division title, a 54-28 record and the second seed in the Eastern Conference. Only one player — Carmelo Anthony — remains from that team, and he’s rehabbing from season-ending knee surgery. Only three other players remain from the pre-triangle-offense club of last season: Tim Hardaway Jr. (who excelled under Woodson), Cole Aldrich and Andrea Bargnani.
“I’m not going to downplay what we did,’’ Woodson said of the 2012-13 campaign. “I’m pretty happy with our style of play we had here. It’s not easy winning 54 games in this league. … [Former general manager] Glen Grunwald and [owner] James Dolan put a solid group together that year with nice veterans. You can’t take anything away from that team. That team was very competitive.’’
Under rookie coach Derek Fisher, the Knicks have been the NBA’s biggest joke and, with two more losses, will have the worst record in franchise history. Woodson believes he never had a chance at survival once the Zen Master took command on March 18, 2014.
“I think when Phil came in, he had his mind made up based on what he wanted to do,’’ Woodson said. “I could respect that. There’s nothing I can say bad about Phil. He’s had a helluva career as a coach. He had other ideas in terms of direction he wanted to go. I respect that.’’
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Carmelo Anthony often thrived in Mike Woodson’s isolation-driven offense.
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Trading Chandler to bring in oft-injured point guard Jose Calderon, since-waived Samuel Dalembert, free-agent-to-be Shane Larkin and disappointing rookie Cleanthony Early has been a bust. Jackson didn’t get nearly enough assets when he dumped J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert in January’s fire sale. At least he saved Dolan $6.5 million in payroll/luxury tax in buying out Amar’e Stoudemire.
“They’ve had a tough season, I don’t wish that on anyone,’’ said Woodson, who still desires to be a head coach. “I went through it my rookie year in Atlanta [13-69]. You try to learn from it and grow.’’
Woodson heard plenty of “Fire Woodson’’ chants last season, which fans may regret now.
“I don’t backtrack,’’ Woodson said. “Bottom line is we had a tough season. We had a lot of injuries my last year here. I couldn’t get around it. I lost key guys at pivotal times throughout the season and it was tough to rebound once we started to get bodies back toward the latter part of last season when we made that big push to get that eighth spot but fell short.’’
Anthony had his best seasons under Woodson’s isolation offense, which is distinctly different from Jackson’s triangle. Anthony had a subpar season with Woodson gone, but was playing on a torn patellar tendon for a chunk of the time.
“It’s been tough on him too,’’ Woodson said. “I know how competitive he was as a player. He was great for me. I love Carmelo and what he brought to the table for our ballclub. To see what he’s going through now, it’s something he has to get behind him through summer work. I love Melo. He was great for me.’’
Woodson’s Knicks also attempted boatloads of 3-pointers. They were first in the league in 2012-13. Fisher’s triangle isn’t designed to set up the 3-pointer and some consider it antiquated. This season, the Knicks rank 22nd in 3-pointers made.
“The league has changed the last six, seven years,’’ Woodson said. “If you’re not shooting the 3-ball, it’s tough. Every two you take, I’m taking two 3s. The game has changed. That particular year we shot a lot of 3s. We led the league in 3-pointers attempted. … I wasn’t a big proponent of the [3-pointer] 12 years ago when I started coaching. It grew on me.’’
Does it hurt being back?
“I don’t look at it in that light,’’ Woodson said. “I had an opportunity here and I didn’t get it done, I guess. I had to move on and I’m happy as hell to be in LA with Doc. It was a good three years for me [in New York] where I was drafted and played my rookie year and to be able to circle back, it was fantastic.”

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/26/2015  2:20 PM
Yup. NBA Champion. Defensive player of the year (in New York, no less!). The one guy who has gotten the Knicks out of the first round since Camby was here. Who Dolan also got frustrated with and traded in a hissy fit.
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3/26/2015  2:20 PM
crzymdups wrote:Yup. NBA Champion. Defensive player of the year (in New York, no less!). The one guy who has gotten the Knicks out of the first round since Camby was here. Who Dolan also got frustrated with and traded in a hissy fit.

Dolan did not trade him, Phil did.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/26/2015  2:27 PM
Perhaps keeping Tyson would've allowed the team to defend a little better, but I think if Phil and Fish had instituted the Triangle and we had the early injuries to Jose and Bargs and JR was as lost in figuring out the Triangle they still would've lost games and ended up at best a mediocre mess. Glad he's gone, the plan A failed and we can retool this roster with a high draft pick and younger free agents. With him here we might have won a few more games and Phil may have stuck with it longer. He pulled the plug at the right time and now we're in position to land a top pick. Not how we expected this season to go but it was always the option if things didn't pan out.
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3/26/2015  2:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/26/2015  2:42 PM
I hope Crush sees this. He really dragged Tyson's name through the mud with the perception that Woodson and TYSON did not get along. I wonder how Woodson feels about Shumpert? Another one who's name was dragged through the mud and like Tyson has the respects of his current teammates.

The way I have always seen it is Tyson was the only one left who knew what it took to contend for a championship and he didn't agree with how Melo went about his business as the teams supposed star player. Melo proved Thson right last year and this year as well.

The Tyson trade was rushed because in order to resign Melo. They should've got a lot more back the. They did. Imagine what TYSON wouldve fetched at the deadline from Cleveland? We know at least 2
1st rd picks.

Question is who's to blame Dolan or Phil? I'm going to blame Dolan as Phil was very lukewarm on keeping Melo

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3/26/2015  2:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/26/2015  2:29 PM
Tyson's trade value was in the cellar, wasn't exactly a bidding war going on for someone who couldnt stay healthy, and threw his teammates under the bus while ignoring his own sorry play.

Woodson was mailing it in as well by the time he left, should have been fighting for his job.

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3/26/2015  2:37 PM
gunsnewing wrote:The Tyson trade was rushed because in order to resign Melo. They should've got a lot more back the. They did. Imagine what TYSON wouldve fetched at the deadline from Cleveland? We know at least 2
1st rd picks.

Question is who's to blame Dolan or Phil? I'm going to blame Dolan as Phil was very lukewarm on keeping Melo

I wonder if Melo made it known through back channels (CAA) that trading Tyson was one of his preconditions on re-signing? Seems at least plausible.

We know Melo was on board with both letting Lin go and trading for Bargnani. Maybe it's time to stop letting this dude have a vote on the roster.

I also 100% buy that Phil was fine letting Melo go, but Dolan was not.

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3/26/2015  2:37 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Tyson's trade value was in the cellar, wasn't exactly a bidding war going on for someone who couldnt stay healthy, and threw his teammates under the bus while ignoring his own sorry play.

Woodson was mailing it in as well by the time he left, should have been fighting for his job.

yea sorry... but this is much more how I remember it.
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3/26/2015  2:38 PM
tyson played like a ***** last year, he quit on the team and voiced his issues defensively in the media instead of with woodson privately. i have no problem with tyson being traded, he's always been a front-runner and still is.
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3/26/2015  2:41 PM
Dude came back IN-SEASON from a BROKEN LEG.

And led the Knicks to a 16-5 finish.

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3/26/2015  2:44 PM
crzymdups wrote:Dude came back IN-SEASON from a BROKEN LEG.

And led the Knicks to a 16-5 finish.

the diagnosis was that he'd be out 4-6 weeks and he missed 6 weeks.. it's not like he was superman or something.

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crzymdups wrote:Dude came back IN-SEASON from a BROKEN LEG.

And led the Knicks to a 16-5 finish.

That was more Amare. Remember Tyson left the team for a handful of games late in the year and the reason was never disclosed. He was not fully engaged. The feud with Melo was too strong at that point

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3/26/2015  2:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/26/2015  2:47 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Dude came back IN-SEASON from a BROKEN LEG.

And led the Knicks to a 16-5 finish.

That was more Amare. Remember Tyson left the team for a handful of games late in the year and the reason was never disclosed. He was not fully engaged. The feud with Melo was too strong at that point

LOL you're making this a carmelo thing? you're starting to sound like splat.

if tyson gets disengaged because of his feelings being hurt by melo, then he truly is even more of a ***** than i thought.

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3/26/2015  2:47 PM
Tyson did not fit into Phil's plans. It just sucks that they were rushed into trading him for garbage just so Melo resigned
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3/26/2015  2:48 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Dude came back IN-SEASON from a BROKEN LEG.

And led the Knicks to a 16-5 finish.

That was more Amare. Remember Tyson left the team for a handful of games late in the year and the reason was never disclosed. He was not fully engaged. The feud with Melo was too strong at that point

LOL you're making this a carmelo thing? you're starting to sound like splat.

if tyson gets disengaged because of his feelings being hurt by melo, then he truly is even more of a ***** than i thought.

Tyson is an NBA Champion. Raise your hand if you think Melo will ever even play in the Finals.

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3/26/2015  2:49 PM
Another non-franchise changing player.

Move on.

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3/26/2015  2:50 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Dude came back IN-SEASON from a BROKEN LEG.

And led the Knicks to a 16-5 finish.

That was more Amare. Remember Tyson left the team for a handful of games late in the year and the reason was never disclosed. He was not fully engaged. The feud with Melo was too strong at that point

You could say it was Amare, you could say it was JR (both of whom we also gave away for nothing under Phil's watch) - but Tyson anchored the defense. He's a top ten center in the NBA. What do we need now? A center.

Trading Tyson and trading Camby are still the two moves that piss me off the most in the Dolan era. You don't trade a productive defensive center like that. That is the anchor to your team. Everything gets easier from there once you have that anchor.

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3/26/2015  2:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/26/2015  2:51 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Dude came back IN-SEASON from a BROKEN LEG.

And led the Knicks to a 16-5 finish.

That was more Amare. Remember Tyson left the team for a handful of games late in the year and the reason was never disclosed. He was not fully engaged. The feud with Melo was too strong at that point

LOL you're making this a carmelo thing? you're starting to sound like splat.

if tyson gets disengaged because of his feelings being hurt by melo, then he truly is even more of a ***** than i thought.

Tyson wants to win. He knows what it is like to win AS A TEAM. It's not that his feelings were hurt. Although losing hurts a guy like Tyson more than most and that is what I respect most about him.

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3/26/2015  2:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/26/2015  2:51 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Another non-franchise changing player.

Move on.

2013 - Tyson wins Defensive Player of the Year, Knicks go 54-28

2015 - Tyson traded, Knicks go 14-58 and counting.

I see a pretty big change there.

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gunsnewing wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Dude came back IN-SEASON from a BROKEN LEG.

And led the Knicks to a 16-5 finish.

That was more Amare. Remember Tyson left the team for a handful of games late in the year and the reason was never disclosed. He was not fully engaged. The feud with Melo was too strong at that point

LOL you're making this a carmelo thing? you're starting to sound like splat.

if tyson gets disengaged because of his feelings being hurt by melo, then he truly is even more of a ***** than i thought.

Tyson wants to win. He knows what it is like to win AS A TEAM. It's not that his feelings were hurt. Although losing hurts a guy like Tyson more than most and that is what I respect most about him.

Isn't it funny that the Knicks keep having to get rid of players who do really well here because Melo hurt their feelings and the pro-Melo camp calls them soft? Fun pattern.

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