The Triangle doesn't have to be slow. It's about the talent of the players. I've written this many times but the way you're supposed to run the Triangle is to 1st push the ball and look for early offense and only get into the Triangle if there's nothing there. It's mostly about the talent you have. Nothing about the Triangle prevents a team from playing faster except for the talent of the players involved. MDA's offense is good but the Knicks already have a System and they have mixed in some spread looks here and there. They've used more of the PnR. PnR is really not outside of the offense as it was already set up. Thing to remember is that Phil is going to build this team more like a Triangle team and not like an MDA SSOL team. It will be slanted more towards half court and post play rather than spread

1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline.

2. Spacing. I am a fanatic about how players distribute themselves on the offensive end of the court. They must space themselves in a way that makes it most difficult to defend, trap, and help. Players must align a certain number of feet apart. In high school, I’d recommend 12 to 15 feet spacing, in college, 15 to18 feet, and in the NBA, 15 to 20 feet. Proper spacing not only exposes individual defensive players’ vulnerabilities, but also ensures that every time the defense tries to trap, an offensive player will be open.

3. Ball and player movements. Players must move, and must move the ball, with a purpose. Effective off-the-ball activity is much more important than most fans and players think because they’re so used to watching only the movement of the ball and the player in possession of it. But there is only one ball and there are five players, meaning most players will have the ball in their hands 20 percent or less of the time the team is in possession of the ball.

4. Options for the ball handler. The more options a smart player has to attack a defender, the more successful that offensive player will be. When teammates are all moving to positions to free themselves (or another teammate with a pick), the ball handler’s choices are vastly increased.

5. Offensive rebounding and defensive balance. On all shots we take, players must go strong for the rebound while retaining court balance and awareness to prevent the opponent’s fast break.

6. Versatile positioning. The offense must offer to any player the chance to fill any spot on the court, independent of the player’s role. All positions should be interchangeable.

7. Use individual talents. It only makes sense for an offense to allow a team to take advantage of the skill sets of its best players. This doesn’t preclude the focus on team play that is emphasized in the six other principles, but it does acknowledge that some individuals have certain types and degrees of talent, and an offense should accentuate those assets. Michael Jordan taught me this.

Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.
The triangle offense has proven most effective, even against such obstacles, when players commit to and execute the system. The offense hinges on players attending to minute details in executing not just plays but also the fundamentals underlying the plays. Once players have mastered the individual techniques required of their roles, we then integrate those individuals into a team. Once this is done, the foundation for a good offense is solidly in place. The team can then go on the court with the confidence and poise so essential to success.
This method of play is as old as basketball. The triangle set is adjustable to the personnel, but such adaptations can be made without altering the essence of the offense. The only necessary adjustment from one season to the next involves tailoring the series of options based on each individual’s talents.

This thread is about a week short of the day it should have been created.

(8 days for you slow people )

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Triangle doesn't have to be slow. It's about the talent of the players. I've written this many times but the way you're supposed to run the Triangle is to 1st push the ball and look for early offense and only get into the Triangle if there's nothing there. It's mostly about the talent you have. Nothing about the Triangle prevents a team from playing faster except for the talent of the players involved. MDA's offense is good but the Knicks already have a System and they have mixed in some spread looks here and there. They've used more of the PnR. PnR is really not outside of the offense as it was already set up. Thing to remember is that Phil is going to build this team more like a Triangle team and not like an MDA SSOL team. It will be slanted more towards half court and post play rather than spread

1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline.

2. Spacing. I am a fanatic about how players distribute themselves on the offensive end of the court. They must space themselves in a way that makes it most difficult to defend, trap, and help. Players must align a certain number of feet apart. In high school, I’d recommend 12 to 15 feet spacing, in college, 15 to18 feet, and in the NBA, 15 to 20 feet. Proper spacing not only exposes individual defensive players’ vulnerabilities, but also ensures that every time the defense tries to trap, an offensive player will be open.

3. Ball and player movements. Players must move, and must move the ball, with a purpose. Effective off-the-ball activity is much more important than most fans and players think because they’re so used to watching only the movement of the ball and the player in possession of it. But there is only one ball and there are five players, meaning most players will have the ball in their hands 20 percent or less of the time the team is in possession of the ball.

4. Options for the ball handler. The more options a smart player has to attack a defender, the more successful that offensive player will be. When teammates are all moving to positions to free themselves (or another teammate with a pick), the ball handler’s choices are vastly increased.

5. Offensive rebounding and defensive balance. On all shots we take, players must go strong for the rebound while retaining court balance and awareness to prevent the opponent’s fast break.

6. Versatile positioning. The offense must offer to any player the chance to fill any spot on the court, independent of the player’s role. All positions should be interchangeable.

7. Use individual talents. It only makes sense for an offense to allow a team to take advantage of the skill sets of its best players. This doesn’t preclude the focus on team play that is emphasized in the six other principles, but it does acknowledge that some individuals have certain types and degrees of talent, and an offense should accentuate those assets. Michael Jordan taught me this.

Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.
The triangle offense has proven most effective, even against such obstacles, when players commit to and execute the system. The offense hinges on players attending to minute details in executing not just plays but also the fundamentals underlying the plays. Once players have mastered the individual techniques required of their roles, we then integrate those individuals into a team. Once this is done, the foundation for a good offense is solidly in place. The team can then go on the court with the confidence and poise so essential to success.
This method of play is as old as basketball. The triangle set is adjustable to the personnel, but such adaptations can be made without altering the essence of the offense. The only necessary adjustment from one season to the next involves tailoring the series of options based on each individual’s talents.

The problem is, most players never ran the offense, so they are always thinking and playing slow trying to get it right. Every single player this year has said that at some point. I keep seeing the word SMART when associated with the triangle, and i just don't see a lot of smart high IQ players available. The triangle is easily 75% mental

This is why you have to commit to the system and stay with it. Smart players who stay in the system will eventually master it and it will become 2nd nature to them. Also you have to remember that better players will be able to take advantage of the openings that lesser players can't. So right now it looks less impressive than it would with more talent in the mix and running the system.

If you watch the Knicks you can see that they actually aren't too slow anymore but rather are often just unable to convert. Guys are missing easy shots. Cole, Amundson, Smith etc are just missing layups and point blank shots. More talented players won't miss as many of those. The same goes for the entire roster, but mostly the starting lineup. When we have a top 6 full of starting caliber players that will make a huge difference. That's what this summer is all about.