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BRIGGS
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3/21/2015  9:33 AM
No shortcuts--no signing 32 year old guys for more than 10mm.


We have our 30 year old with the 25 mm contract who has a damaged knee--that is enough. To have "sustained" success we need to put 3-4 core players together who are somewhat close in age.

For example

Karl Towns 19
Enes Kanter 22
Alex Shceyd 26
Langston Galloway 23


Put these 4 together and build out from there. That doesnt give them carte blanche to start but certainly a part of a 10 man rotation. IF Alex would like to come back--he must follow a protocol of putting on 10-15 pounds of muscle.

We have 1-2 vets who are leaders but we also want younger players who are leaders like GS has with green etc. I think we can find 2 quality 2nd round picks this year from the senior class and most often these guys come in with pedigree and leadership abilities. They have lead their college teams for years.


We tried to put all vets aroudn Carmelo when he was 28--guess what it failed and it will fail again. Older players cant play extended minutes for 100 games. We need a deep team that is diversified and smart--with good guys.I dont want 1 player like a Lance Stephenson who is not wanted on other rosters because of his attitude. I want guy s to like each other and who will play hard for each other.

NO big money into players + 30 years old--NO damaged good players for more than 1mm.

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knicks1248
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3/21/2015  9:40 AM
All of the young teams in the league are in the lottery, and you end up trading those players for vets any way. You have a young in experience coach, and your suggesting he coach young in experience players, aka the blind leading the blind. Is that the way to go?
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fishmike
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3/21/2015  10:20 AM
you old guys who know how to win to make those 4 effective. Did we learn nothing from 2 years ago? Its a balance. We 100% need an infusion of youth and most important QUALITY youth and Briggs that is priority 1,2 and 3. But after that to make that work you need to balance it with wisdom and experience. NOT at the cost of acquiring that youth, but to supplement it. When the Yankees brought up a young core of Jeter, Mariano, Pettite, Posada, Bernie (couple years earlier), when they had those guys in place THEN they added the older vets.

Knicks need to 1) nail this pick. I think Russell ends up being the best player in this draft, but we should be lucky to get him, Towns or OK4. Lets be real. 2) sign quality youth with upside that fits with that pick long term. 3) if cant execute on that then you look at adding a vet that will give you quality play, and a prospect you may be able to sit on for a few years to play behind that guy. For example a guy like Thanisis could learn a lot playing behind Dunleavy JR, etc.

Youth process yes.. balance is equally important. There is such a thing as spoiling youth. The NBA can phuck these guys up easy. Confidence is everything. 25 is young in baseball!

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Knixkik
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3/21/2015  10:26 AM
knicks1248 wrote:All of the young teams in the league are in the lottery, and you end up trading those players for vets any way. You have a young in experience coach, and your suggesting he coach young in experience players, aka the blind leading the blind. Is that the way to go?

I think there must be a happy medium. The core of players should no doubt be on the younger side. Then add some vets from there. I actually like the young core of Shved, Galloway, and our future pick, and think we should add to it. Kanter (22), Monroe (24), and even Love (26) can all fit. Ready to contribute and still young. Danny Green (27) is a player who is still young but can bring leadership. We need to find a couple of guys in the 27-28 age range that can bring leadership to the table. But if the rule is not adding players over 30 for more than a couple mil per year i think that makes sense.

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3/21/2015  10:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2015  10:33 AM
OKC resign Kanter in light of Durant's injury..Lowe just wrote an article that Durant is probably done in OKC...Phil said he will rebuild through free agency..Shved and Galloway are nice back ups..
gunsnewing
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3/21/2015  10:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2015  11:21 AM
I guess broken down down Durant will be a knick next year.

Was looking forward to finally getting a Towns/Russell Knick jersey. Looks like I have to wait Til next decade at least

BigRedDog
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3/21/2015  11:00 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I guess broken down down Durant will be a knick next year.

Was looking forward to finally getting a Towns/Russell jersey. Looks like I have to wait Til next decade at least

These daily negative rants are really quite annoying.

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
BRIGGS
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3/21/2015  11:18 AM
BigRedDog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I guess broken down down Durant will be a knick next year.

Was looking forward to finally getting a Towns/Russell jersey. Looks like I have to wait Til next decade at least

These daily negative rants are really quite annoying.

He's got a point of view. If anyone takes the time to read what Kevin Durant and then says yeah we got who cares about the pick then u get what u deserve. Jim Dolan doesn't care it's the name and entertainment value to sell tix

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fishmike
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3/21/2015  12:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I guess broken down down Durant will be a knick next year.

Was looking forward to finally getting a Towns/Russell jersey. Looks like I have to wait Til next decade at least

These daily negative rants are really quite annoying.

He's got a point of view. If anyone takes the time to read what Kevin Durant and then says yeah we got who cares about the pick then u get what u deserve. Jim Dolan doesn't care it's the name and entertainment value to sell tix

Well we have the next two years to find that out. He did step back and let the Rangers GM do what he wanted and that included firing a coach who was Dolan's guy. Lets see if Phil has the autonomy he claims and his idea of "building the right way" really is.

I mean you could be right. But he's also said point blank all these great teams have stars they drafted, and that the pick was very important for that reason. He's also clearly investing in grooming and developing young guys rather that hoping for the quick fix veteran.

Time will tell. Its a bad year and easy to be negative. It comes with the territory. It will be a telling summer, but I like the guys hes bringing in. Nice mix of smarts and talent. You thought keeping Lou was stupid but you can clearly see his guy brings a lot of positives and could be an small piece that makes the whole team a little better. He's one of the smartest men in the league.

I really hope we get a look at Ledo

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BRIGGS
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3/21/2015  12:10 PM
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All of the young teams in the league are in the lottery, and you end up trading those players for vets any way. You have a young in experience coach, and your suggesting he coach young in experience players, aka the blind leading the blind. Is that the way to go?
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Steph curry 26
Clay Thompson 23
Dray green 25


Best team in NBA by far

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Vmart
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3/21/2015  12:22 PM
fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I guess broken down down Durant will be a knick next year.

Was looking forward to finally getting a Towns/Russell jersey. Looks like I have to wait Til next decade at least

These daily negative rants are really quite annoying.

He's got a point of view. If anyone takes the time to read what Kevin Durant and then says yeah we got who cares about the pick then u get what u deserve. Jim Dolan doesn't care it's the name and entertainment value to sell tix

Well we have the next two years to find that out. He did step back and let the Rangers GM do what he wanted and that included firing a coach who was Dolan's guy. Lets see if Phil has the autonomy he claims and his idea of "building the right way" really is.

I mean you could be right. But he's also said point blank all these great teams have stars they drafted, and that the pick was very important for that reason. He's also clearly investing in grooming and developing young guys rather that hoping for the quick fix veteran.

Time will tell. Its a bad year and easy to be negative. It comes with the territory. It will be a telling summer, but I like the guys hes bringing in. Nice mix of smarts and talent. You thought keeping Lou was stupid but you can clearly see his guy brings a lot of positives and could be an small piece that makes the whole team a little better. He's one of the smartest men in the league.

I really hope we get a look at Ledo

Dolan isn't a bad owner, you want an owner that spends money. Sure he has made mistakes but he always tries to rectify his mistakes. He brought in Phil at ridiculous suns of money you can honestly see he is trying to win and get the best help possible.

I never see Rangers fans complaining about Dolan he lets his people do the work they are hired to do. I'm confident Dolan will let Phil do his thing.

smackeddog
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3/21/2015  1:36 PM
Never underestimate the x factor of smart vets- they help get you big wins.
RonRon
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3/21/2015  3:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2015  4:10 PM
Question

If Ajincia were to enter to draft this summer, where would he be selected?

Compare Ajincia right now to Karl Towns development/ceiling...
Can both players/talents coexist together and how would they compliment each other TOGETHER on both OFF and DEF?

Which would be the best combo moving forward and next season?

Ajincia and Towns
Ajnicia and OK4
Ajincia and Russell, while waiting for 2017 to upgrade the talent of PF and Center or even this season with players like Brook Lopez and Roy Hibbert with player options

I think both Ajincia and Draymond Green will both get a lot of money this summer, if we can acquire both and add a versatile 2way player like Danny Green, in addition to our 2015 draft pick, we will have a good team next season and have pieces moving forward

For Shved, if we can sign him to a 3year or 4year deal with the final year being a team option, in the range of about 2.8m - 3.5m per year, using both Bayless/DJ Augistine as measures fot the position, I think that is a fair contract
In order to allow Shved to continue to penetrate/facilitate, we must be able to spread the floor for him with shooters, and HIGH IQ players that know how to move without the ball, catch and shoot, and when to cut, when to go crash for the OFF rebound, etc....


Cole Aldrich is very important to this team because his cap hold his low and we can have the 6m MLE instead of the 2.7m BAE
We still have the ability to have to FULL 6m MLE IF we keep Cole ALdrich, using his bird rights to go over the cap, and we can use that money on one player or divide it up however, we want
While we could use that money for a player like Danny Green or at least Wesley Mathhewws with his injury now or sign 2 players like

Randy Foye
Jameers Nelson/Mo Williams

Wesley Johnson

Serephin
Koufus

Ed Davis


In the D League and UFA's for this summer, there are plenty of backup/rotational BIGS

Will CA be part of our team moving forward and if there is a trade/market/value for him if we are able to move him to a contender this summer?

Galloway
Thanasis

Orlando Sanchez

all are NBA ready and are at least rotational young players that could be locked in to 3year deals at near the minimum


Also there will be PLENTY of QUALIFTY PF and CENTERS in 2017 FA class with the rise of the cap of over 20m
So if we can trade down to draft Russell or whoever, we don't have to commit all of our money this year to the PF/C's in this FA class and with our pick as well
It really depends on if we can sign Ajinica and at what type of contract

Ajincia >>> Kanter

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