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fishmike
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3/20/2015  10:16 AM
David West. Has a player option at $12mm next year. He's 34, has been pretty durable and really would be fantastic triangle player. He could be Kurt Thomas part two. Do the right thing for 25-30mpg a night. There will be nights you can lean on him, and other nights you will try to rest him, but he's going to sink mid range jumpers like he's along in the gym, he's going to play excellent team defense, he's a great locker room guy. He's a great rebounder. He knows how to post smaller guys and is a legit stretch big. He doesnt shoot the 3 but like Kurt is money from the 15-18 foot range.

Obviously we could guage his intentions with his agent, but he's a guy I would overpay for because of the intangibles he brings in a short term deal, and keep him around as long as he wants to stay.

After his contract is up his age makes him a MLE player. Maybe one more year at $12mm is enough to lure him in (2 year $25mm).

He would be a good player to have if we draft a big as well. Towns/OK4 would really benefit from having West and Admundson here for their first couple years as well.

If anyone "plays the right way" its West.

Thoughts?

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3/20/2015  10:35 AM
I love David West. I wanted to draft him back when we drafted Sweetney.

I sort of wonder if that Indiana team will hang together and try to make a run next year when PG is fully healthy. They must feel like they have unfinished business.

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3/20/2015  10:47 AM
No way David West is opting out of that deal. We'd have to sign him summer of 2017.
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3/20/2015  10:57 AM
Dude will be 35 this year..I don't see him leaving Indy..Our plans are too long projected to actually make good use of West at this stage..
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3/20/2015  11:45 AM
Not a bad option at all, especially if rondo and a couple other VETS join in..The one thing fisher needs is plenty of vets
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fishmike
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3/20/2015  11:48 AM
VCoug wrote:No way David West is opting out of that deal. We'd have to sign him summer of 2017.
He's got one year at $12mm. If you offer him 2 years $25mm why wouldnt he take that? or at least consider it.. he's goot for next year regardless but noway he's making $14 the year after at age 35.

For the Knicks he fills two needs.. one the court and in the lockerroom

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3/20/2015  11:49 AM
I like him, I miss having veteran, tough PFs on our team, but I'm not sure if it's the right time to get him. Maybe if we luck out, I'd sign him on a 2 year deal.
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3/20/2015  11:58 AM
Not sure what he has left but I have always been a huge fan of him.

He was the guy that we should have gotten instead of Amare in the summer of doom

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2015  12:47 PM
mreinman wrote:Not sure what he has left but I have always been a huge fan of him.

He was the guy that we should have gotten instead of Amare in the summer of doom

Alas, we tend to chase the big flashy names rather than the under rated players

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3/20/2015  12:47 PM
mreinman wrote:Not sure what he has left but I have always been a huge fan of him.

He was the guy that we should have gotten instead of Amare in the summer of doom

Seen him a bit this year, and he's still playing very well. Like an older player he's going to need some rest, but you limit the minutes when you can, but there will be game you can lean on him. Especially if we draft a big in OK4/Towns a guy like West is the perfect vet to play next to them... especially Towns as he doesnt know how to score or rebound (thats for Guns and your OK4='defenseless' comment )
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3/20/2015  12:59 PM
fishmike wrote:David West. Has a player option at $12mm next year. He's 34, has been pretty durable and really would be fantastic triangle player. He could be Kurt Thomas part two. Do the right thing for 25-30mpg a night. There will be nights you can lean on him, and other nights you will try to rest him, but he's going to sink mid range jumpers like he's along in the gym, he's going to play excellent team defense, he's a great locker room guy. He's a great rebounder. He knows how to post smaller guys and is a legit stretch big. He doesnt shoot the 3 but like Kurt is money from the 15-18 foot range.

Obviously we could guage his intentions with his agent, but he's a guy I would overpay for because of the intangibles he brings in a short term deal, and keep him around as long as he wants to stay.

After his contract is up his age makes him a MLE player. Maybe one more year at $12mm is enough to lure him in (2 year $25mm).

He would be a good player to have if we draft a big as well. Towns/OK4 would really benefit from having West and Admundson here for their first couple years as well.

If anyone "plays the right way" its West.

Thoughts?

Why not just get Milsap? He is younger and brings good leadership.

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3/20/2015  1:02 PM
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:David West. Has a player option at $12mm next year. He's 34, has been pretty durable and really would be fantastic triangle player. He could be Kurt Thomas part two. Do the right thing for 25-30mpg a night. There will be nights you can lean on him, and other nights you will try to rest him, but he's going to sink mid range jumpers like he's along in the gym, he's going to play excellent team defense, he's a great locker room guy. He's a great rebounder. He knows how to post smaller guys and is a legit stretch big. He doesnt shoot the 3 but like Kurt is money from the 15-18 foot range.

Obviously we could guage his intentions with his agent, but he's a guy I would overpay for because of the intangibles he brings in a short term deal, and keep him around as long as he wants to stay.

After his contract is up his age makes him a MLE player. Maybe one more year at $12mm is enough to lure him in (2 year $25mm).

He would be a good player to have if we draft a big as well. Towns/OK4 would really benefit from having West and Admundson here for their first couple years as well.

If anyone "plays the right way" its West.

Thoughts?

Why not just get Milsap? He is younger and brings good leadership.

He is, but people on here lament us signing Melo because he's 30 (which is the new 40), so they'd probably cry if we signed another 30 year old.

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3/20/2015  1:19 PM
I bet he could play to 40!

I doubt he would want to come here, even if we overpay.

And I kinda would like to only throw big money at players on the other side of 30. He'll be 35 this August.

Isn't there a limit on contracts for older players, or is that the NHL?

fishmike
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3/20/2015  1:23 PM
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:David West. Has a player option at $12mm next year. He's 34, has been pretty durable and really would be fantastic triangle player. He could be Kurt Thomas part two. Do the right thing for 25-30mpg a night. There will be nights you can lean on him, and other nights you will try to rest him, but he's going to sink mid range jumpers like he's along in the gym, he's going to play excellent team defense, he's a great locker room guy. He's a great rebounder. He knows how to post smaller guys and is a legit stretch big. He doesnt shoot the 3 but like Kurt is money from the 15-18 foot range.

Obviously we could guage his intentions with his agent, but he's a guy I would overpay for because of the intangibles he brings in a short term deal, and keep him around as long as he wants to stay.

After his contract is up his age makes him a MLE player. Maybe one more year at $12mm is enough to lure him in (2 year $25mm).

He would be a good player to have if we draft a big as well. Towns/OK4 would really benefit from having West and Admundson here for their first couple years as well.

If anyone "plays the right way" its West.

Thoughts?

Why not just get Milsap? He is younger and brings good leadership.

I dont think he does actually. He's good doesnt have a good locker room rep
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3/20/2015  1:54 PM
I like West.

As was stated, he would bring the kind of the presence Thomas/Wallace gave us a few years ago. Has an attitude on the court. He's that guy you hate as an opponent and love if he's on your side.

Can't pay too much for him at this point and his age is an obvious issue. If he was to not take the option, there is probably no way Phil would pay him as much, and I expect that certain playoff ready teams would feel he was a perfect finishing piece on their team and be willing to pay him more than we can.

The Anthony mobility issue pops up again, though. If you start both of them, you have have some defensive limitations, although they would get some rebounds together.

West is a good fit for the Triangle, too- I recall him killing us with that midrange shot. He's been a very underrated player over the years in terms of fan appeal, I guess because he is not an above the rim highlight guy.

Would really love having him if he was 32 and we were only a player or two away from being serious contenders.

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3/20/2015  2:03 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:I like West.

As was stated, he would bring the kind of the presence Thomas/Wallace gave us a few years ago. Has an attitude on the court. He's that guy you hate as an opponent and love if he's on your side.

Can't pay too much for him at this point and his age is an obvious issue. If he was to not take the option, there is probably no way Phil would pay him as much, and I expect that certain playoff ready teams would feel he was a perfect finishing piece on their team and be willing to pay him more than we can.

The Anthony mobility issue pops up again, though. If you start both of them, you have have some defensive limitations, although they would get some rebounds together.

West is a good fit for the Triangle, too- I recall him killing us with that midrange shot. He's been a very underrated player over the years in terms of fan appeal, I guess because he is not an above the rim highlight guy.

Would really love having him if he was 32 and we were only a player or two away from being serious contenders.

yea its a stop gap move... no doubt about it. I would pay him well for 2 years. I would really like to get a young PF to work behind him as well, and after those two years that guy steps in. That would be what a good/normal/planning team would do ;)
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3/20/2015  2:06 PM
7 million x 2
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2015  2:09 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Not sure what he has left but I have always been a huge fan of him.

He was the guy that we should have gotten instead of Amare in the summer of doom

Seen him a bit this year, and he's still playing very well. Like an older player he's going to need some rest, but you limit the minutes when you can, but there will be game you can lean on him. Especially if we draft a big in OK4/Towns a guy like West is the perfect vet to play next to them... especially Towns as he doesnt know how to score or rebound (thats for Guns and your OK4='defenseless' comment )

SOB lol

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3/20/2015  2:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/20/2015  2:14 PM
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:David West. Has a player option at $12mm next year. He's 34, has been pretty durable and really would be fantastic triangle player. He could be Kurt Thomas part two. Do the right thing for 25-30mpg a night. There will be nights you can lean on him, and other nights you will try to rest him, but he's going to sink mid range jumpers like he's along in the gym, he's going to play excellent team defense, he's a great locker room guy. He's a great rebounder. He knows how to post smaller guys and is a legit stretch big. He doesnt shoot the 3 but like Kurt is money from the 15-18 foot range.

Obviously we could guage his intentions with his agent, but he's a guy I would overpay for because of the intangibles he brings in a short term deal, and keep him around as long as he wants to stay.

After his contract is up his age makes him a MLE player. Maybe one more year at $12mm is enough to lure him in (2 year $25mm).

He would be a good player to have if we draft a big as well. Towns/OK4 would really benefit from having West and Admundson here for their first couple years as well.

If anyone "plays the right way" its West.

Thoughts?

Why not just get Milsap? He is younger and brings good leadership.

Of course you take Millsap over West but what if he doesn't want to come here? West is a cheaper option and is more of a leader. He is not going to last as long but he is the kind of player that could change our culture and fortunes in only 2yrs. Good fit for the triangle and he fits next to Towns/OK4

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3/20/2015  2:15 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:David West. Has a player option at $12mm next year. He's 34, has been pretty durable and really would be fantastic triangle player. He could be Kurt Thomas part two. Do the right thing for 25-30mpg a night. There will be nights you can lean on him, and other nights you will try to rest him, but he's going to sink mid range jumpers like he's along in the gym, he's going to play excellent team defense, he's a great locker room guy. He's a great rebounder. He knows how to post smaller guys and is a legit stretch big. He doesnt shoot the 3 but like Kurt is money from the 15-18 foot range.

Obviously we could guage his intentions with his agent, but he's a guy I would overpay for because of the intangibles he brings in a short term deal, and keep him around as long as he wants to stay.

After his contract is up his age makes him a MLE player. Maybe one more year at $12mm is enough to lure him in (2 year $25mm).

He would be a good player to have if we draft a big as well. Towns/OK4 would really benefit from having West and Admundson here for their first couple years as well.

If anyone "plays the right way" its West.

Thoughts?

Why not just get Milsap? He is younger and brings good leadership.

Of course you take Millsap over West but what if he doesn't want to come here? West is a cheaper option and is more of a leader. He is not going to last as long but he is the kind of player that could change our culture and fortunes in only 2yrs

he is the perfect player who can tell melo to go fuk himself when he plays like an azz. He is perfect for melositting.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
we need a good veteran to be a leader on the floor... here's one possibility

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