Alex Scheyd 4 years 18mm

Lou Adumndson 2 years 3.6mm

Cole Aldrich 3 years 6 mm

Bargnani 1 year 4mm
Shane Larkin 2 years 1.8mm

Thats roughly 13mm in contracts and waiving Jose and stretching his contracts adds 4.4mm

Add in 4mm for the draft pick

Now dependent on draft

Enes Kanter C-PF 6-11 260 4 years 64mm (16)

Rodney Stuckey SG/6th man 3 years 20mm (6.75mm)

Will Barton SF(cheaper younger version of Carroll 3 years 10mm)

Lets say we get Towns and two other rookies from whatever scenario

That would put us at

C Kanter
F Towns
F Anthony
G Hardaway
G Shevyd

C Bargnani
F Admundson
F Barton
G Stuckey(6th man)
G Galloway

Aldrich
Early
Larkin (3rd PG)
rookie SG
rookie C

Agree with this 100%
Alex Scheyd 4 years 18mm
Lou Adumndson 2 years 3.6mm
Cole Aldrich 3 years 6 mm
Bargnani 1 year 4mm

Agree
Gone: Quincy Acy ,Lance Thomas

Travis Wear - no reason not to keep. He's a league min guy, knows the system now, plays hard, defends, etc etc.. Of Acy/LThomas/Wear I like Wear the best.
Jason Smith - really puzzling. Is he the poor man's Mike Doleac most of us saw early in the year? Because he's played pretty well in the 2nd half. This one comes down to cost for me... if we whiff on better players I would welcome back Smith under a similar reasonable deal.

The FAs will 100% on who we draft so Ill hold off for now.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:I was pissed Phil didnt pick up Larkin's option. I was wrong on that one... Larkin can go. He doesnt score, cant really guard bigger PGs and his lack of scoring threat makes him an ineffective facilitator

Agree with this 100%
Alex Scheyd 4 years 18mm
Lou Adumndson 2 years 3.6mm
Cole Aldrich 3 years 6 mm
Bargnani 1 year 4mm

Agree
Gone: Quincy Acy ,Lance Thomas

Travis Wear - no reason not to keep. He's a league min guy, knows the system now, plays hard, defends, etc etc.. Of Acy/LThomas/Wear I like Wear the best.
Jason Smith - really puzzling. Is he the poor man's Mike Doleac most of us saw early in the year? Because he's played pretty well in the 2nd half. This one comes down to cost for me... if we whiff on better players I would welcome back Smith under a similar reasonable deal.

The FAs will 100% on who we draft so Ill hold off for now.

I can go either way on Larkin--I think he still holds promise a s a guy who can hit the three play quick as a third PG. If you notice his salary is 900k. I dont love keeping Timmy H but in this line up we need a 3 pt shooter and Tim would be fine for 1 more shot. Id probably play all 5 bigs every game. I would ask too much from Towns in year 1 minutes wise even thought Id like to see him earn the starting spot as a shotblocker/rebounder. I like Wear too--depends on who /what we do in the draft---other rotation s pots might be taken by Thansis or the other foreign player and or rookie draft picks we may acquire so for now I have him as out.

I like Larkin & don't understand why the option wasn't picked up.

But, I don't see how we can go into next season with this back court:

Larkin
Shved
Galloway
Calderon
Hardaway

The simple truth is that group has to be upgraded. Individually, there is some nice talent. But collectively, they have too many holes. Its a numbers game and some must leave/go.

Alexy Shved is doing well in NY but this is not a Lin situation where his market is going to go up. A 2yr deal with the second yr optional would be okay. The knicks will retain his bird rights then can sign him to a larger contract in 2016 after he proves he will dedicate himself to the gym and his craft(shooting/decision making).

Lou Amundson is a 32 year old hustle player. You do not give out money from your cap for guys like him. He is a vet minimum guy. Also, next year will be his 10th year. The Vet min. for 10 yr vets will be just under $1.5m. So, why hurt yourself by giving an extra 300k?

Cole Aldrich can barely play 2 minutes with out turning fuchsia. He is another vet minimum player and is definately not worth $3m.

Bargs sucks.

Now you just wasted $7m for the center position when you could potentially spend $7m on Kostos Koufos.

Larkin unfortunately seems to short to play the pg in the triangle. He has problem with post entry passes.

Kanter no.

Will Barton is a now because you do not try to outbid Denver for that kind of player.

crzymdups wrote:I would start Shved and Galloway in the backcourt before starting Hardaway.

They need a serious talent influx in the backcourt. If we got D'Angelo Russell... that'd be pretty nice.

I still have this weird feeling that Lance Stephenson would be a perfect player for NY, the Triangle and as a Melo running mate. I'm guessing he could he had in a cap space trade. Maybe Hardaway for Lance straight up? We can absorb the salary.

I kinda agree and think we may be best off with Russell in the draft - and while its early to give up on Hardaway, I'd be open to moving him just to try to clear out the backlog of marginal backcourt talent.

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:I was pissed Phil didnt pick up Larkin's option. I was wrong on that one... Larkin can go. He doesnt score, cant really guard bigger PGs and his lack of scoring threat makes him an ineffective facilitator

Agree with this 100%
Alex Scheyd 4 years 18mm
Lou Adumndson 2 years 3.6mm
Cole Aldrich 3 years 6 mm
Bargnani 1 year 4mm

Agree
Gone: Quincy Acy ,Lance Thomas

Travis Wear - no reason not to keep. He's a league min guy, knows the system now, plays hard, defends, etc etc.. Of Acy/LThomas/Wear I like Wear the best.
Jason Smith - really puzzling. Is he the poor man's Mike Doleac most of us saw early in the year? Because he's played pretty well in the 2nd half. This one comes down to cost for me... if we whiff on better players I would welcome back Smith under a similar reasonable deal.

The FAs will 100% on who we draft so Ill hold off for now.

I can go either way on Larkin--I think he still holds promise a s a guy who can hit the three play quick as a third PG. If you notice his salary is 900k. I dont love keeping Timmy H but in this line up we need a 3 pt shooter and Tim would be fine for 1 more shot. Id probably play all 5 bigs every game. I would ask too much from Towns in year 1 minutes wise even thought Id like to see him earn the starting spot as a shotblocker/rebounder. I like Wear too--depends on who /what we do in the draft---other rotation s pots might be taken by Thansis or the other foreign player and or rookie draft picks we may acquire so for now I have him as out.

I like Larkin & don't understand why the option wasn't picked up.

But, I don't see how we can go into next season with this back court:

Larkin
Shved
Galloway
Calderon
Hardaway

The simple truth is that group has to be upgraded. Individually, there is some nice talent. But collectively, they have too many holes. Its a numbers game and some must leave/go.

Calderon has had a nightmare year. Do we make the same mistake we made with Tyson and sell low (or just stretch him) ???

Year before last he was the starter on a 50 win Dallas team and played very well. If there is a guy to wait and see on its Jose.

Galloway/Shved are keepers. If Larkin is around for 900k next year fine.

BRIGGS wrote:Gone Jose Calderon Quincy Acy Lance Thomas Travis Wear Jason Smith

Alex Scheyd 4 years 18mm

Lou Adumndson 2 years 3.6mm

Cole Aldrich 3 years 6 mm

Bargnani 1 year 4mm
Shane Larkin 2 years 1.8mm

Thats roughly 13mm in contracts and waiving Jose and stretching his contracts adds 4.4mm

Add in 4mm for the draft pick

Now dependent on draft

Enes Kanter C-PF 6-11 260 4 years 64mm (16)

Rodney Stuckey SG/6th man 3 years 20mm (6.75mm)

Will Barton SF(cheaper younger version of Carroll 3 years 10mm)

Lets say we get Towns and two other rookies from whatever scenario

That would put us at

C Kanter
F Towns
F Anthony
G Hardaway
G Shevyd

C Bargnani
F Admundson
F Barton
G Stuckey(6th man)
G Galloway

Aldrich
Early
Larkin (3rd PG)
rookie SG
rookie C

I would take Monroe before Kanter. Why do you suddenly start Hardaway over Stuckey, who you have been crazy about? And what about Ajinca? How good do you think Shved is at this point at well, is he good enough to be a starting PG in this league?

C Monroe (max)
PF Towns
SF Anthony
SG Danny Green (8m/yr)
PG Shved (3m/yr)
6th Galloway
7th Ajinca or Lavoy Allen (3m/yr)
8th Hardaway Jr.
9th Amundson (minimum)
10th Early

holfresh wrote:Why would I shoot my entire salary cap wad on 2015 free agency when our best options are third tier players...

That's why I think they should use the cap space as trade leverage. Get Lance from Charlotte.

They should really be treating the core of the team as Melo and the draft pick. Build a team that accentuates those two core pieces. They aren't going to be able to hit a home run in FA, I don't think. Build pieces. Get a lot better next season. Maybe hit a home run in 2016 in FA when the cap goes up.

Nalod wrote:Bargs Sucks? No, Bargs gets injured.

Bargs don't rebound enough for me but there are not too many 14-6 power forwards out there in free agency.
His injury's are bothersome.
Im sure we'd all like think he owes us and will sign for 4mm but he will have options.
What might he have? He can go back to europe for more money and less games to play.
His ex coach in italy is Messina who is assitant for San Antoinio. Spurs usually are looking for the right kind of player with a tougher makeup than him but, for the right money, to be in a smaller media friendly market and settle in to a primarily interational squad with his ex coach and Buddy Bellinni if Duncan retires he'd get major minutes next to Splitter who will rebound and do the muscle work.
Then we can say "F--kin Spurs"............and lament letting him go.

Now, since its not me or anyone here who decides this the problem is what is the nature of his injury problems and is it fixible. The kid has talent and has had bad stretches of games missed, but so have many others who came back and had long careers with fewer misses.

Nalod don't know. I just know he don't suck.

so basically you are saying that his problem is injuries but when he has played in his career he has been a good player??

He has been a terrible player and his numbers show that. He has been a big fat negative sum player and obviously a gross player based on the dough that he was stealing.

Nalod wrote:Bargs Sucks? No, Bargs gets injured.

Bargs don't rebound enough for me but there are not too many 14-6 power forwards out there in free agency.
His injury's are bothersome.
Im sure we'd all like think he owes us and will sign for 4mm but he will have options.
What might he have? He can go back to europe for more money and less games to play.
His ex coach in italy is Messina who is assitant for San Antoinio. Spurs usually are looking for the right kind of player with a tougher makeup than him but, for the right money, to be in a smaller media friendly market and settle in to a primarily interational squad with his ex coach and Buddy Bellinni if Duncan retires he'd get major minutes next to Splitter who will rebound and do the muscle work.
Then we can say "F--kin Spurs"............and lament letting him go.

Now, since its not me or anyone here who decides this the problem is what is the nature of his injury problems and is it fixible. The kid has talent and has had bad stretches of games missed, but so have many others who came back and had long careers with fewer misses.

Nalod don't know. I just know he don't suck.

He sucks because he doesn't play defense rebound or score efficiently nor does he pass well enough to help the offense. He sucks because when players are guarded by him they score more easily and rebound more. He sucks because when he plays the team usually are in the negative. He sucks because he is injury prone. The saying the best ability is availability and Bargs is rarely available. When you have money tied up in a player that isn't a positive player that can't even play would be silly.

Yes, he can look good one game or two games but what about the other games when he is consistantly poor