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BRIGGS
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3/17/2015  8:40 PM
Jees these guys are really too young. Jack Haley was a guy personified with strength and youth--and now hes gone.
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3/17/2015  8:48 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:Jees these guys are really too young. Jack Haley was a guy personified with strength and youth--and now hes gone.

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3/17/2015  8:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/17/2015  8:54 PM
Jeez what the hell is going on??..Its not even the athletes that we hear about but people I know growing up..Rest in Peace Jack..
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3/17/2015  10:35 PM
Wow... only 51.

Bit of an Amundson type, a bit rougher I think- can't picture his game too well in my mind. Played with energy.

RIP

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3/17/2015  10:36 PM
Sad. Seems like he was just playing.
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3/17/2015  10:45 PM
Rest in Peace Jack. Same age as me, wow.
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3/17/2015  11:56 PM
Jees it said Jack had heart and other problems for several years and didnt want anyone to know about it?? This guy so young????
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3/18/2015  12:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2015  12:47 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Jees it said Jack had heart and other problems for several years and didnt want anyone to know about it?? This guy so young????

Old school. And that's how he played.

At some point people of this generation are going to be sending out Tweets and taking selfies from their death beds, and letting everyone know they are on that bed.

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3/18/2015  12:55 AM
Man, so sad. I'm 41 years old -- these aren't old cats that I never really saw play. These guys are players I grew up watching. Feel bad hearing he was battling heart disease for awhile. Hope he didn't suffer too much. RIP JH.
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I'll say it again, I had my heart attack at age 47 and bypass surgery. Its not just for fat or the sloths of the world. Jack played in the freaking NBA! Reggie Lewis, Hank Gathers.....Etc etc........

Its not just that new. Before social media I doubt we get more than just a small bit in the paper and if you don't see it, its not news. Now we see it, and can post it on social media. We talking Jack Haley so its not a big story. IM not downplaying his passing, just saying men be dying for a long time over this.

Im thinking its possible that athletes in the Roid era might be dropping faster as they get well into middle age. Just a theory. Average lineman in the NFL with 10 years experience I recall reading a while back live on average to about 58 years old. Pain killers, roids, head trama all adds up.

Basketball players because of conditionion can have enlarged hearts, with roids and history of kidney problmes from anti inflamitories can all add up. Alonzo Mouning needed a transplant from anti inflamitories in his 30's!!!!

Please, IM not staining anything on Jack Haley passing but pro athletes put a big strain on their bodies. This guy had a family, I feel awful.

For you reading this, try to get your check ups and if you have family history stay on top of it even if you in good shape. Can't outrun Genetics no matter how fast you are!
Used to miss about two weeks of work from all kinds of colds, coughs,and get infections in my lungs, ears, sinus and needed an inhaler when ever I got the smallest sniffle. after my heart surgery I have not missed a day of work since I came back. No cold lasting more than a day and it was just a small sniffle. No flu, no head ache, nothing. My autoimmune system was shyt and now its great. Mypoint? I hated having my surgery but it was the best thing not just for my heart, but overall quality of life. I Play competitive tennis 4 days a week and arobic the other 2 days. I had a choice in my surgery, get a stent and inside of 10 years or get bypass or just get it over with. I was born with some small arteries in my heart. They tore up my chest but took my mamory arteries we don't use and put them in. IN a way I have superior sized ones now than most of you!

My grandparents all died by the time they were 60. My mom had surgery at age 51. My uncle died at age 46. My sister has no problems and been checked out. I got it. Got cousins, some got it, others not.

If you got kids, wife, people counting on you then stay on top of your health. As soon as I had symptoms I was on it and since we had a baseline for years, it was easy to detect a change. I can't speak for Jack Haley, or Reggie Lewis or Hank Gathers or thousands of people aflicted daily but if we ignore things (we are men!!) then bad things happen. Sometimes it can't be prevented or caught, but you increase your odds by not being a baby about it. My heart attack was not painful and I did not know I had one. I felt something weird and it passed in seconds. But I felt really bad afterwards. I was shocked. But Im here to tell you all about it!

I organize a heart walk in my town with the American Heart association and donate blood. I also volunteer at the hospital and visit with patients when asked to discuss my surgery. Some Men freak about having open heart surgery and are total dumb asses about it. I show them my scar, discuss rehab and what to expect. I won't do this with smokers, drug abusers or drinkers. They are too messed up to consider. I will talk with Athletes, and non addicted personalities who are having a hard time with it. Obviously there has to be a short window of time and I can't always get there. Men are immature in nature when it comes to the body. Women who birthed a child are far tougher than most men.

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3/18/2015  12:28 PM
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I'll say it again, I had my heart attack at age 47 and bypass surgery. Its not just for fat or the sloths of the world. Jack played in the freaking NBA! Reggie Lewis, Hank Gathers.....Etc etc........

Its not just that new. Before social media I doubt we get more than just a small bit in the paper and if you don't see it, its not news. Now we see it, and can post it on social media. We talking Jack Haley so its not a big story. IM not downplaying his passing, just saying men be dying for a long time over this.

Im thinking its possible that athletes in the Roid era might be dropping faster as they get well into middle age. Just a theory. Average lineman in the NFL with 10 years experience I recall reading a while back live on average to about 58 years old. Pain killers, roids, head trama all adds up.

Basketball players because of conditionion can have enlarged hearts, with roids and history of kidney problmes from anti inflamitories can all add up. Alonzo Mouning needed a transplant from anti inflamitories in his 30's!!!!

Please, IM not staining anything on Jack Haley passing but pro athletes put a big strain on their bodies. This guy had a family, I feel awful.

For you reading this, try to get your check ups and if you have family history stay on top of it even if you in good shape. Can't outrun Genetics no matter how fast you are!
Used to miss about two weeks of work from all kinds of colds, coughs,and get infections in my lungs, ears, sinus and needed an inhaler when ever I got the smallest sniffle. after my heart surgery I have not missed a day of work since I came back. No cold lasting more than a day and it was just a small sniffle. No flu, no head ache, nothing. My autoimmune system was shyt and now its great. Mypoint? I hated having my surgery but it was the best thing not just for my heart, but overall quality of life. I Play competitive tennis 4 days a week and arobic the other 2 days. I had a choice in my surgery, get a stent and inside of 10 years or get bypass or just get it over with. I was born with some small arteries in my heart. They tore up my chest but took my mamory arteries we don't use and put them in. IN a way I have superior sized ones now than most of you!

My grandparents all died by the time they were 60. My mom had surgery at age 51. My uncle died at age 46. My sister has no problems and been checked out. I got it. Got cousins, some got it, others not.

If you got kids, wife, people counting on you then stay on top of your health. As soon as I had symptoms I was on it and since we had a baseline for years, it was easy to detect a change. I can't speak for Jack Haley, or Reggie Lewis or Hank Gathers or thousands of people aflicted daily but if we ignore things (we are men!!) then bad things happen. Sometimes it can't be prevented or caught, but you increase your odds by not being a baby about it. My heart attack was not painful and I did not know I had one. I felt something weird and it passed in seconds. But I felt really bad afterwards. I was shocked. But Im here to tell you all about it!

I organize a heart walk in my town with the American Heart association and donate blood. I also volunteer at the hospital and visit with patients when asked to discuss my surgery. Some Men freak about having open heart surgery and are total dumb asses about it. I show them my scar, discuss rehab and what to expect. I won't do this with smokers, drug abusers or drinkers. They are too messed up to consider. I will talk with Athletes, and non addicted personalities who are having a hard time with it. Obviously there has to be a short window of time and I can't always get there. Men are immature in nature when it comes to the body. Women who birthed a child are far tougher than most men.

Its great that you use your own experience with heart problems to help others Nalod. Good going.

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3/18/2015  12:32 PM
^^^ Goes hand in hand with Nalod's warnings. I remember reading about this when Maravich died- pretty amazing stuff, IMO.

Article was written 2/4/88

The rare heart defect that killed basketball star Pete Maravich might have been repaired by an operation like common bypass surgery if his complaints of intense shoulder and chest pain in the last six months of his life had led to a thorough examination, according to doctors who reviewed coroner's documents released Wednesday.

And while physicians who reviewed the 16-page file agreed the detailed coroner's findings are consistent with previous disclosures of the strange cause of the basketball star's death Jan. 5, several experts said they were still puzzled by how, under the circumstances, Maravich could have ever played basketball--let alone star for a decade in the National Basketball Assn.

Several doctors suggested that the highly unusual total absence of one of the major arteries to Maravich's heart may have obscured the possibility his heart tissue had also been damaged by any of a variety of factors.

They range from latent weakening resulting from years of excessive drinking--behavior to which Maravich himself alludes in a recently published biography--or an undiagnosed viral infection.


"This is a really bizarre case," said Dr. Frank Litvack, a cardiology diagnostic expert at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, who reviewed the full documentary file. He said the heart defect may occur in only between 1 in 100,000 to 1 in 1 million patients.

Maravich was 40 when he died. He collapsed after playing in a pickup game at a Pasadena church and died shortly after paramedics rushed him to a local hospital.

Tests of Maravich's blood and stomach contents for the presence of alcohol and a wide variety of other drugs, including cocaine, were completely negative, the coroner's written report confirmed.

"Usually patients like this don't go on for 40 years. They don't make it that long," said Dr. Paul Thompson, a sudden death expert at Brown University in Rhode Island who reviewed the Maravich autopsy file Wednesday.

"The problem with the diagnosis," said Dr. Thomas Klitzner, a UCLA specialist in pediatric cardiology and the way heart rhythm disturbances lead to sudden death, "is how did he play basketball for all those years in the NBA?"

Litvack, who reviewed the full documentary file, said damage to Maravich's heart tissue "is not explained purely by the coronary anomaly."

He said, "It is difficult to know why he would have (the damage found in the heart muscle.) It could be anything from a previous viral infection to drinking."

The file, which comprises the official, written results of the autopsy and other post-mortem tests, confirms that Maravich completely lacked one of the major arteries supplying oxygen-rich blood to the tissue of his heart.

The documents also revealed for the first time that Maravich had complained of chest pain in the final six months of his life. Previous reports had indicated he also complained of intense pain in his right shoulder.

The combination of chest and shoulder pain, said doctors questioned by The Times, could have led to the ordering of a treadmill stress test on Maravich, in which the test subject walks on a treadmill while instruments monitor heart function.


Maravich's personal physician, Dr. William Mitchell, of Covington, La., did not respond to calls seeking reaction to the autopsy details.

Thompson said chest and shoulder pain in a 40-year-old man are always potential danger signs that should be taken as a possible warning of heart problems.

Thompson and Dr. Jeffrey Isner, a Tufts University specialist in heart disease processes who has reviewed the Maravich case with Los Angeles County Coroner's Office officials, agreed that the treadmill stress test could have produced results that would lead doctors to order additional tests that would have discovered the strange inherited anomaly in Maravich's heart.

The only procedure that could have definitively diagnosed Maravich is a procedure called cardiac catheterization in which a wire is introduced into the arteries while X-ray machinery, assisted by dye injected into the blood, projects pictures of the organs on a television screen. The catheterization procedure is commonly used to determine if bypass surgery is necessary.

Maravich's defect could probably have been repaired by an operation almost identical to common bypass surgery.

The entire blood supply to Maravich's heart had been supplied, the autopsy file indicated, by a narrow shunt-like vessel that ran circuitously across Maravich's heart from the right to left side.

The natural shunt was never able to supply adequate amounts of blood, resulting in gradual deterioration of the muscle in Maravich's heart, enlargement of the heart and development of fiber-like growths in the tissue, the coroner concluded.

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3/18/2015  12:37 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:^^^ Goes hand in hand with Nalod's warnings. I remember reading about this when Maravich died- pretty amazing stuff, IMO.

Article was written 2/4/88

The rare heart defect that killed basketball star Pete Maravich might have been repaired by an operation like common bypass surgery if his complaints of intense shoulder and chest pain in the last six months of his life had led to a thorough examination, according to doctors who reviewed coroner's documents released Wednesday.

And while physicians who reviewed the 16-page file agreed the detailed coroner's findings are consistent with previous disclosures of the strange cause of the basketball star's death Jan. 5, several experts said they were still puzzled by how, under the circumstances, Maravich could have ever played basketball--let alone star for a decade in the National Basketball Assn.

Several doctors suggested that the highly unusual total absence of one of the major arteries to Maravich's heart may have obscured the possibility his heart tissue had also been damaged by any of a variety of factors.

They range from latent weakening resulting from years of excessive drinking--behavior to which Maravich himself alludes in a recently published biography--or an undiagnosed viral infection.


"This is a really bizarre case," said Dr. Frank Litvack, a cardiology diagnostic expert at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, who reviewed the full documentary file. He said the heart defect may occur in only between 1 in 100,000 to 1 in 1 million patients.

Maravich was 40 when he died. He collapsed after playing in a pickup game at a Pasadena church and died shortly after paramedics rushed him to a local hospital.

Tests of Maravich's blood and stomach contents for the presence of alcohol and a wide variety of other drugs, including cocaine, were completely negative, the coroner's written report confirmed.

"Usually patients like this don't go on for 40 years. They don't make it that long," said Dr. Paul Thompson, a sudden death expert at Brown University in Rhode Island who reviewed the Maravich autopsy file Wednesday.

"The problem with the diagnosis," said Dr. Thomas Klitzner, a UCLA specialist in pediatric cardiology and the way heart rhythm disturbances lead to sudden death, "is how did he play basketball for all those years in the NBA?"

Litvack, who reviewed the full documentary file, said damage to Maravich's heart tissue "is not explained purely by the coronary anomaly."

He said, "It is difficult to know why he would have (the damage found in the heart muscle.) It could be anything from a previous viral infection to drinking."

The file, which comprises the official, written results of the autopsy and other post-mortem tests, confirms that Maravich completely lacked one of the major arteries supplying oxygen-rich blood to the tissue of his heart.

The documents also revealed for the first time that Maravich had complained of chest pain in the final six months of his life. Previous reports had indicated he also complained of intense pain in his right shoulder.

The combination of chest and shoulder pain, said doctors questioned by The Times, could have led to the ordering of a treadmill stress test on Maravich, in which the test subject walks on a treadmill while instruments monitor heart function.


Maravich's personal physician, Dr. William Mitchell, of Covington, La., did not respond to calls seeking reaction to the autopsy details.

Thompson said chest and shoulder pain in a 40-year-old man are always potential danger signs that should be taken as a possible warning of heart problems.

Thompson and Dr. Jeffrey Isner, a Tufts University specialist in heart disease processes who has reviewed the Maravich case with Los Angeles County Coroner's Office officials, agreed that the treadmill stress test could have produced results that would lead doctors to order additional tests that would have discovered the strange inherited anomaly in Maravich's heart.

The only procedure that could have definitively diagnosed Maravich is a procedure called cardiac catheterization in which a wire is introduced into the arteries while X-ray machinery, assisted by dye injected into the blood, projects pictures of the organs on a television screen. The catheterization procedure is commonly used to determine if bypass surgery is necessary.

Maravich's defect could probably have been repaired by an operation almost identical to common bypass surgery.

The entire blood supply to Maravich's heart had been supplied, the autopsy file indicated, by a narrow shunt-like vessel that ran circuitously across Maravich's heart from the right to left side.

The natural shunt was never able to supply adequate amounts of blood, resulting in gradual deterioration of the muscle in Maravich's heart, enlargement of the heart and development of fiber-like growths in the tissue, the coroner concluded.


I remember when Maravich died, he told friends that he felt great playing in his first pickup game in a while. More good information on the importance of regular checkups, a healthy diet, and excercise.

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3/18/2015  1:46 PM
1988, while far from the dark ages it was still 27 years ago and things are a whole lot easier!
Bypass then was a big deal. 5 years ago it was like a proceedure!! Im sure even the last few years its much better. I hope to god they ever have to go in they can go in via the ribcage and not have to open my chest up again.
That sucked.

I was young and in good shape. I worked hard and was back to work part time in 3 weeks! Type "A" wants to let everyone know I was good!!! I was gonna be the best heart patient in the history of mankind!!!! LOL!!

Tough for athletes cuz we used to playing in pain. Sad Pete died at such an early age.
Best fundamentally talented player in the history of the game!!!!! Dude honed his skills. He was not naturally athletic. If they had 3 pt shot He might have hit 100 pts in a game.

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3/18/2015  2:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2015  2:31 PM
Nalod wrote:
I'll say it again, I had my heart attack at age 47 and bypass surgery. Its not just for fat or the sloths of the world. Jack played in the freaking NBA! Reggie Lewis, Hank Gathers.....Etc etc........

Its not just that new. Before social media I doubt we get more than just a small bit in the paper and if you don't see it, its not news. Now we see it, and can post it on social media. We talking Jack Haley so its not a big story. IM not downplaying his passing, just saying men be dying for a long time over this.

Im thinking its possible that athletes in the Roid era might be dropping faster as they get well into middle age. Just a theory. Average lineman in the NFL with 10 years experience I recall reading a while back live on average to about 58 years old. Pain killers, roids, head trama all adds up.

Basketball players because of conditionion can have enlarged hearts, with roids and history of kidney problmes from anti inflamitories can all add up. Alonzo Mouning needed a transplant from anti inflamitories in his 30's!!!!

Please, IM not staining anything on Jack Haley passing but pro athletes put a big strain on their bodies. This guy had a family, I feel awful.

For you reading this, try to get your check ups and if you have family history stay on top of it even if you in good shape. Can't outrun Genetics no matter how fast you are!
Used to miss about two weeks of work from all kinds of colds, coughs,and get infections in my lungs, ears, sinus and needed an inhaler when ever I got the smallest sniffle. after my heart surgery I have not missed a day of work since I came back. No cold lasting more than a day and it was just a small sniffle. No flu, no head ache, nothing. My autoimmune system was shyt and now its great. Mypoint? I hated having my surgery but it was the best thing not just for my heart, but overall quality of life. I Play competitive tennis 4 days a week and arobic the other 2 days. I had a choice in my surgery, get a stent and inside of 10 years or get bypass or just get it over with. I was born with some small arteries in my heart. They tore up my chest but took my mamory arteries we don't use and put them in. IN a way I have superior sized ones now than most of you!

My grandparents all died by the time they were 60. My mom had surgery at age 51. My uncle died at age 46. My sister has no problems and been checked out. I got it. Got cousins, some got it, others not.

If you got kids, wife, people counting on you then stay on top of your health. As soon as I had symptoms I was on it and since we had a baseline for years, it was easy to detect a change. I can't speak for Jack Haley, or Reggie Lewis or Hank Gathers or thousands of people aflicted daily but if we ignore things (we are men!!) then bad things happen. Sometimes it can't be prevented or caught, but you increase your odds by not being a baby about it. My heart attack was not painful and I did not know I had one. I felt something weird and it passed in seconds. But I felt really bad afterwards. I was shocked. But Im here to tell you all about it!

I organize a heart walk in my town with the American Heart association and donate blood. I also volunteer at the hospital and visit with patients when asked to discuss my surgery. Some Men freak about having open heart surgery and are total dumb asses about it. I show them my scar, discuss rehab and what to expect. I won't do this with smokers, drug abusers or drinkers. They are too messed up to consider. I will talk with Athletes, and non addicted personalities who are having a hard time with it. Obviously there has to be a short window of time and I can't always get there. Men are immature in nature when it comes to the body. Women who birthed a child are far tougher than most men.

Awesome..Happy to hear you were able to face it head on...As men, not many are willing to preemptively address it, we wait until it's too late..I have been relatively healthy throughout and just started seeing the Doc regularly a year ago...So far, so good..I realize as we move towards middle age we have to think differently..Eat more healthy, get regular sustainable exercise, and get regular check ups..Thanks for the highlights and good luck with it..

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holfresh wrote:
Nalod wrote:
I'll say it again, I had my heart attack at age 47 and bypass surgery. Its not just for fat or the sloths of the world. Jack played in the freaking NBA! Reggie Lewis, Hank Gathers.....Etc etc........

Its not just that new. Before social media I doubt we get more than just a small bit in the paper and if you don't see it, its not news. Now we see it, and can post it on social media. We talking Jack Haley so its not a big story. IM not downplaying his passing, just saying men be dying for a long time over this.

Im thinking its possible that athletes in the Roid era might be dropping faster as they get well into middle age. Just a theory. Average lineman in the NFL with 10 years experience I recall reading a while back live on average to about 58 years old. Pain killers, roids, head trama all adds up.

Basketball players because of conditionion can have enlarged hearts, with roids and history of kidney problmes from anti inflamitories can all add up. Alonzo Mouning needed a transplant from anti inflamitories in his 30's!!!!

Please, IM not staining anything on Jack Haley passing but pro athletes put a big strain on their bodies. This guy had a family, I feel awful.

For you reading this, try to get your check ups and if you have family history stay on top of it even if you in good shape. Can't outrun Genetics no matter how fast you are!
Used to miss about two weeks of work from all kinds of colds, coughs,and get infections in my lungs, ears, sinus and needed an inhaler when ever I got the smallest sniffle. after my heart surgery I have not missed a day of work since I came back. No cold lasting more than a day and it was just a small sniffle. No flu, no head ache, nothing. My autoimmune system was shyt and now its great. Mypoint? I hated having my surgery but it was the best thing not just for my heart, but overall quality of life. I Play competitive tennis 4 days a week and arobic the other 2 days. I had a choice in my surgery, get a stent and inside of 10 years or get bypass or just get it over with. I was born with some small arteries in my heart. They tore up my chest but took my mamory arteries we don't use and put them in. IN a way I have superior sized ones now than most of you!

My grandparents all died by the time they were 60. My mom had surgery at age 51. My uncle died at age 46. My sister has no problems and been checked out. I got it. Got cousins, some got it, others not.

If you got kids, wife, people counting on you then stay on top of your health. As soon as I had symptoms I was on it and since we had a baseline for years, it was easy to detect a change. I can't speak for Jack Haley, or Reggie Lewis or Hank Gathers or thousands of people aflicted daily but if we ignore things (we are men!!) then bad things happen. Sometimes it can't be prevented or caught, but you increase your odds by not being a baby about it. My heart attack was not painful and I did not know I had one. I felt something weird and it passed in seconds. But I felt really bad afterwards. I was shocked. But Im here to tell you all about it!

I organize a heart walk in my town with the American Heart association and donate blood. I also volunteer at the hospital and visit with patients when asked to discuss my surgery. Some Men freak about having open heart surgery and are total dumb asses about it. I show them my scar, discuss rehab and what to expect. I won't do this with smokers, drug abusers or drinkers. They are too messed up to consider. I will talk with Athletes, and non addicted personalities who are having a hard time with it. Obviously there has to be a short window of time and I can't always get there. Men are immature in nature when it comes to the body. Women who birthed a child are far tougher than most men.

Awesome..Happy to hear you were able to face it head on...As men, not many are willing to preemptively address it, we wait until it's too late..I have been relatively healthy throughout and just started seeing the Doc regularly a year ago...So far, so good..I realize as we move towards middle age we have to think differently..Eat more healthy, get regular sustainable exercise, and get regular check ups..Thanks for the highlights and good luck with it..

For most, the odds are with you!!!
Im not being alarmist.
I dont' know Haley's family history or his condition. If Not all arteries are created equal nor is plaque build build up via diet the sole reason. Some very healthy dudes have fallen.
Some never need go for checks ups.
If there is a famlily history for some cancers, then one gotta look for it. Heart disease, then get a running baseline. If your healthy you want a picture of that. I started at age 33 after my daughter was born. I realized "I got more than just my ego to protect"! And for 14 years all was cool.

I'll never forget coming out of surgery and my kids held my hand as I was coming to. We used to play a hand game when they were little and instinctively I started to do it. It was a message "Im here, IM your dad and Im gonna be for a long time". My daughter laughed, my wife cried and I fell back to sleep. Of course at 2 am when all was quiet and everyone gone I really woke up and the wires and tubes in me pissed me off but 12 hours later most of them were out (drain tubes in lungs is fuching pisser!!!!).

Anyway, I tell guys "you'd take a bullet for your kids, and you have a gun in your house for protection, but you won't get a check up?"

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Finestrg wrote:Man, so sad. I'm 41 years old -- these aren't old cats that I never really saw play. These guys are players I grew up watching. Feel bad hearing he was battling heart disease for awhile. Hope he didn't suffer too much. RIP JH.
same age same sentiments. yikes... RIP Jack Haley
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3/18/2015  3:47 PM
fishmike wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Man, so sad. I'm 41 years old -- these aren't old cats that I never really saw play. These guys are players I grew up watching. Feel bad hearing he was battling heart disease for awhile. Hope he didn't suffer too much. RIP JH.
same age same sentiments. yikes... RIP Jack Haley

me too

so here is what phil is thinking ....
BigDaddyG
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3/18/2015  3:48 PM
Partying with Rodman will shave years off your life.
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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