TPercy wrote:2 way possibilities? This guy is abominable defensively.

No its not and he has potential to be a good defender

callmened wrote:http://www.sbnation.com/2015/4/8/8370347/thunder-defense-statistics-analysis-enes-kanter-serge-ibaka-russell-westbrook-injuries-2015

Kanter joined the Thunder with a terrible defensive reputation and has done nothing to dispel that notion over the past couple months. He's among the weakest shot-blockers in the league at his position despite being nearly 7 feet tall and rarely shows the effort or instincts to be an effective team defender.

Of course when you lose your shot blocking C your defense will suffer. Enes Kanter or most 7 footers dont have a chance to guard Tony Patker or James Harden. Enes Kanter is a 4 who can play 5 on occasion but hes a post scorer who can hit the 18 footer and rebound as good as anyone in the league at 22 years old. The entire OKC team has no style of play right now--they simply hand it to Westbrook and he plays out of control. There is no management to the game at all. I watch them all the time--Enes Kanter is not Bill Russell but his defense is not bad at all. Enes is a guy who can get you 25-15 in the post. I think in a good system he would be a good passer--I've seen it. Hes got immense potential to give a team a staple of 20-10 from the 4 position for 10 years. Its up to the team to balance the talent in the line up. Enes would dominate teams in the smaller east.

callmened wrote:im not here to change your mind BRIGGS. at this point, im just posting info about Enes Kanter for others to see and make up their mind. When i watch him, i see a gifted offensive big man with a nice soft touch and tenacious on the glass. I also see a guy who dogs it on the defensive and gets lost with defensive rotations (by the way, thats the case with all OKC players. brooks is an awful coach who needs to be fired). This guy seems like a 3rd and 4th option who's horrible defense needs to be hidden or surrounded by great defenders

maybe brooks is a bad coach but Kanter was an awful defensive player for Utah. He may not get much better.

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callmened wrote:im not here to change your mind BRIGGS. at this point, im just posting info about Enes Kanter for others to see and make up their mind. When i watch him, i see a gifted offensive big man with a nice soft touch and tenacious on the glass. I also see a guy who dogs it on the defensive and gets lost with defensive rotations (by the way, thats the case with all OKC players. brooks is an awful coach who needs to be fired). This guy seems like a 3rd and 4th option who's horrible defense needs to be hidden or surrounded by great defenders

Hes a pure 1 post option who will just keep getting better in there. Hes a guy you can throw the ball into the post and score at a 60% clip who is also a top 3 rebounder in this league. If we get Okafor--Id say lets look to OKC to see if theyd be interested in trading Ibaka(if hes ok) but they cant keep all those players.

thats where i agree. put kanter next to okafor or towns and that can work. he has expanded his perimeter game and can even put it on the floor. in the right system, he can average 17ppg & 12rebs. the only question is his defense. but if u put him with a good interior defender and wings that can hold their own.

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callmened wrote:im not here to change your mind BRIGGS. at this point, im just posting info about Enes Kanter for others to see and make up their mind. When i watch him, i see a gifted offensive big man with a nice soft touch and tenacious on the glass. I also see a guy who dogs it on the defensive and gets lost with defensive rotations (by the way, thats the case with all OKC players. brooks is an awful coach who needs to be fired). This guy seems like a 3rd and 4th option who's horrible defense needs to be hidden or surrounded by great defenders

Hes a pure 1 post option who will just keep getting better in there. Hes a guy you can throw the ball into the post and score at a 60% clip who is also a top 3 rebounder in this league. If we get Okafor--Id say lets look to OKC to see if theyd be interested in trading Ibaka(if hes ok) but they cant keep all those players.

thats where i agree. put kanter next to okafor or towns and that can work. he has expanded his perimeter game and can even put it on the floor. in the right system, he can average 17ppg & 12rebs. the only question is his defense. but if u put him with a good interior defender and wings that can hold their own.

IMHO I think it would behoove the Knicks to get one of Monroe Kanter or Lopez. Were not getting Leonard et al that stupid--the Knicks know the guys they have a shot with guys like Gasol Aldridge etc..no shot they do have a shot with Monroe(although Detroit will likely max him and hes not passing 34mm $ up)They have a shot with Kanter(I dont think OKC would match) and then we have a chance with Lopez(but risk comes with it) We "should" have a good young post player even if its off the bench Im happy with either or Towns or Ok4 and really there about neck and neck there. Then Kaminsky is a wild card if we trade down a tad. So we should be much better in the middle next year.

You seem to value offense far more than defense. There is an argument for that in the advanced stats world.

Also, you assume that we are getting Towns or Ok4 in your posts but there is a 50% chance that we won't.

just curious ... was Bropez a guy that you touted out of college? You seem to be like Dolan ... that you stick with your guys no matter what

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callmened wrote:

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callmened wrote:im not here to change your mind BRIGGS. at this point, im just posting info about Enes Kanter for others to see and make up their mind. When i watch him, i see a gifted offensive big man with a nice soft touch and tenacious on the glass. I also see a guy who dogs it on the defensive and gets lost with defensive rotations (by the way, thats the case with all OKC players. brooks is an awful coach who needs to be fired). This guy seems like a 3rd and 4th option who's horrible defense needs to be hidden or surrounded by great defenders

Hes a pure 1 post option who will just keep getting better in there. Hes a guy you can throw the ball into the post and score at a 60% clip who is also a top 3 rebounder in this league. If we get Okafor--Id say lets look to OKC to see if theyd be interested in trading Ibaka(if hes ok) but they cant keep all those players.

thats where i agree. put kanter next to okafor or towns and that can work. he has expanded his perimeter game and can even put it on the floor. in the right system, he can average 17ppg & 12rebs. the only question is his defense. but if u put him with a good interior defender and wings that can hold their own.

IMHO I think it would behoove the Knicks to get one of Monroe Kanter or Lopez. Were not getting Leonard et al that stupid--the Knicks know the guys they have a shot with guys like Gasol Aldridge etc..no shot they do have a shot with Monroe(although Detroit will likely max him and hes not passing 34mm $ up)They have a shot with Kanter(I dont think OKC would match) and then we have a chance with Lopez(but risk comes with it) We "should" have a good young post player even if its off the bench Im happy with either or Towns or Ok4 and really there about neck and neck there. Then Kaminsky is a wild card if we trade down a tad. So we should be much better in the middle next year.

You seem to value offense far more than defense. There is an argument for that in the advanced stats world.

Also, you assume that we are getting Towns or Ok4 in your posts but there is a 50% chance that we won't.

just curious ... was Bropez a guy that you touted out of college? You seem to be like Dolan ... that you stick with your guys no matter what

Yep I wanted Lopez in that draft.

Look how skilled this guy is--come on? His potential even above this level is high. He can move around as a mobile 5-4 who has a nose for the ball who can rebound with anyone in the league. In the east Kanter would simply dominate.

callmened wrote:according to OKC fans, forums, podcast, and beat reporters...they absolutely HATE this guys lack of defense. they call it the worst in the league. One example was how on one defensive rotation vs dallas (in that high scoring close game), he rotated to cover a wide open rondo instead of challenging the wide open dirk. they blame their recent struggles on the fact that ibaka isnt there to cover up his horrible defense. the general consensus of OKC is they HOPE they get rid of him but their worried that theyll keep him. Like i said, if hes available i wouldnt mind him on my team. as long as we surround him (hide him) with defensive players

Knater has all the skills to be an all star 4 man. In the east he would be a dominate low post scorer. Now I wouldnt do an Okafor/ Kanter combination--but IF I get anything other than pick #2 meaning 1 -3-4--there is no change in my opinion and I have watched Kanter A LOT.
If you are looking for Kanter to be all team first defense--not happening. But there is no reason why he cannot be a nice part of a team defensive concept. Hes mobile pretty athletic for 260 and he plays hard. To spend an offseason with him working on defensive fundamentals is easy--the HARD part is teaching anyone is innate offensives skills. At the end of the day--if you cant throw the ball into the post and score--you are not winning big in the playoffs. And worse--if we dont get a big skilled guy--Boston will and they already have a lot in place. Then Boston has 3 7 footers and 4 quality guards all under 25 that we will have to contain with building up to. We are WAY WAY WAY behind some of these teams. If you wathced Kanter--you have to believe he will work hard in the offseason to improve his D--he plays hard. He runs the court. One thing if he didnt do that--but he does.

You know what this reminds me of Dirk Nowitski--for a long time Dirk was thought of as a "bad" defender" but when they won a chip--they played a quality brand of team defense. You cant win in the NBA without guys who can get you 22-28 points. The odds of having ANY ability to get a player like this at 22 is RARE indeed. This guy scores 25 points pretty easily and he does it from the 3 pt line in--that will expand over time--this guy could be an offensive juggernaut type 4. He just needs to learn to play a brand of D within a system and its NUTS to think he cant do it.