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knicks1248
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3/16/2015  1:04 PM
IT's not far Fetch, but the way this franchise's luck has gone the last 2 decades

http://worthly.com/sports/20-biggest-nba-draft-busts-history/

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fishmike
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3/16/2015  1:17 PM
someone want to post the list? I refuse to visit this sites that make you click through 30 pages to read a 20 name list so you can beef up some site's ad traffic.

What makes a draft bust could be a good chat

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3/16/2015  1:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2015  1:22 PM
fishmike wrote:someone want to post the list? I refuse to visit this sites that make you click through 30 pages to read a 20 name list so you can beef up some site's ad traffic.

What makes a draft bust could be a good chat

I'm going to guess these will be amongst it:

Darko, Oden, Olowokandi, Bennett, Bargs, Kwame Brown

Maybe Joe Smith if they're being harsh

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3/16/2015  1:25 PM
from ESPN:
10 – Marcus Fizer (2000 No. 4 pick): 2.7 win shares in 6 seasons
Marcus Fizer was the No. 4 pick in the 2000 draft by the Chicago Bulls. In six seasons, Fizer averaged less than 10 points and five rebounds per game. He started just 35 games in his career and never played on a playoff team or a winning team.

No. 9 – Andrea Bargnani (2006 No. 1 pick): 17.8 win shares in 8 seasons


Bargnani
Andrea Bargnani was the No. 1 pick by the Toronto Raptors in 2006 out of Italy. He was the last international player drafted first overall. In eight NBA seasons, the 7-footer has shot below 50 percent from the field in each season and has never averaged seven rebounds per game. He has been on a winning team just once in those eight seasons.

No. 8 – Darko Milicic (2003 No. 2 pick): 7.1 win shares in 10 seasons
Much like how Bowie was drafted between Hakeem Olajuwon and Jordan, Darko Milicic will forever be known for being drafted between LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony. The No. 2 pick in 2003 by the Detroit Pistons, Milicic averaged less than nine points per game in each of his 10 seasons. He was waived by the Boston Celtics one game into the 2012-13 season and hasn’t played in the NBA since.

No. 7 – Patrick O’Bryant (2006 No. 9 pick): 0.5 win shares in 4 seasons
The Golden State Warriors drafted 7-footer Patrick O’Bryant from Bradley with the ninth pick in the 2006 draft. He averaged 2.1 points and 1.4 rebounds per game in his four-season NBA career while making a grand total of three starts. He never grabbed more than seven rebounds in a single game.

No. 6 – Jonathan Bender (1999 No. 5 pick): 3.8 win shares in 8 seasons
After winning MVP of the 1999 McDonald’s All American game, Jonathan Bender entered the NBA Draft and was picked fifth by the Raptors, then was traded to the Indiana Pacers for Antonio Davis. Bender’s best season was his third season, when he averaged 7.4 points and 3.1 rebounds per game. He was waived by the Pacers following the 2005-06 season and came back in 2009 for a brief stint with the New York Knicks.

No. 5 – Pervis Ellison (1989 No. 1 pick): 21.8 win shares in 11 seasons
The top pick in the 1989 draft, Pervis Ellison’s career seemed to be promising when he averaged 20 points and 11.2 rebounds per game for the Washington Bullets in his third season, but a series of injuries plagued his career. After his fourth season, Ellison averaged just 5.1 points and 4.9 rebounds per game for the rest of his career.

No. 4 – Kwame Brown (2001 No. 1 pick): 20.8 win shares in 12 seasons
Kwame Brown became the first player ever to come straight out of high school and get picked first overall in the NBA Draft when the Washington Wizards picked him in 2001. Brown played 12 seasons before being waived by the Philadelphia 76ers prior to playing any games this season. The big man has averaged 6.6 points and 5.5 rebounds per game for his career.

No. 3 – Adam Morrison (2006 No. 3 pick): -1.4 win shares in 3 seasons
Adam Morrison was the third pick in the 2006 draft by the Charlotte Bobcats. He had a decent rookie season, averaging 11.8 points per game. But he missed the entire next season with a torn ACL in his left knee. He played two more seasons with the Bobcats and Los Angeles Lakers but didn’t get much playing time. However, he did win two championships with the Lakers.

No. 2 - Nikoloz Tskitishvili (2002 No. 5 pick): -1.6 win shares in 4 seasons
Georgian 7-footer Nikoloz Tskitishvili was the fifth pick in 2002 by the Denver Nuggets. He started just 16 games in his four-year career, averaging less than three points and two rebounds per game. He shot just 30 percent from the field and played for four different teams in his short career.

No. 1 - Michael Olowokandi (1998 No. 1 pick): 2.5 win shares in 9 seasons
The Clippers used the No. 1 pick in 1998 on Michael Olowokandi, a 7-footer from Pacific. He lasted nine seasons in the NBA, averaging double-digit points just twice and never averaging double-digit rebounds. He finished his career averaging 8.3 points and 6.8 rebounds per game. His last season was 2006-07, when he played 24 games for the Celtics.

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gunsnewing
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3/16/2015  1:29 PM
Nik Tskits has to be #1. At least those other guys had their moments
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3/16/2015  1:35 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Nik Tskits has to be #1. At least those other guys had their moments

Can you catch malaria from him?

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3/16/2015  1:39 PM
I feel bad but I think Kenny "sky" Walker has to be on that list.
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3/16/2015  1:41 PM
Yinka Stinka (RIP)?
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/16/2015  1:41 PM
To me... we desperatly need to execute on this pick. That means not only scouting the best prospect with the highest chance of success but also looking at mistakes of the past and avoiding some of the pitfalls other clubs have fallen into.

#1) health. Unless there is an injury history this the free pass. Greg Oden could have been one of the best bigs to play the game. Cant fault Portland for this... just bad luck. Unless there are some clear red flags (like Julius Randle's foot) not much you can do to avoid this. Sometimes it might even help you get a player that has slipped (Danny Granger).

#2) Potential over production. Looking at a guy's skills, size and athleticism and projecting success based on that. Remember Darko and Skita crushed the workouts. They were other worldly. Not much game data to go one however...

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fishmike
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3/16/2015  1:42 PM
mreinman wrote:Yinka Stinka (RIP)?
remember Bob Page?
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mreinman
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3/16/2015  1:44 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Yinka Stinka (RIP)?
remember Bob Page?

nope. a broadcaster?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/16/2015  1:47 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Yinka Stinka (RIP)?
remember Bob Page?

nope. a broadcaster?

Betty Page's haircut?

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knicks1248
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3/16/2015  2:20 PM
Darko will always be the head liner when it comes to bust, it was the deepest draft in decades, and the got the worst pick possible.
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fishmike
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3/16/2015  3:06 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Yinka Stinka (RIP)?
remember Bob Page?

nope. a broadcaster?

Bob Page used to do the MSG sportsdesk back in the 90s. He was so miserable. He acted like he hated his job. Since MSG covered all the NY sports they would do the MSG teams (Knicks, Rangers, Yankees pre-YES) as well as the others.

He used to just rag all over the Nets who were terrible at the time, and once called Yinka Dare "Stinka." He was funny in his misery

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3/16/2015  3:28 PM
my worry is we win a few more games, luck out (bad) and end up drafting 5th
knicks1248
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3/16/2015  3:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2015  3:29 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Yinka Stinka (RIP)?
remember Bob Page?

nope. a broadcaster?

Bob Page used to do the MSG sportsdesk back in the 90s. He was so miserable. He acted like he hated his job. Since MSG covered all the NY sports they would do the MSG teams (Knicks, Rangers, Yankees pre-YES) as well as the others.

He used to just rag all over the Nets who were terrible at the time, and once called Yinka Dare "Stinka." He was funny in his misery


I remember that guy back in the early 90, what a funny dude. Didn't he get fired for some comments he said?

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