Points: 26.8
Assists: 7.1
Rebounds: 5.8
TS: 60.3
FG: 44.3

He is also playing some inspired defense.

Today, Harden shot 7/16 from the field for a meager FG% of 43.7. This just shows how silly this silly FG stat is.

HE SCORED 34 POINTS TODAY ON ONLY 16 SHOTS! WHO CARES ABOUT FG!

He went 17/18 from the line, and 3/5 from 3. That does not show up in his FG at all.

Houston went in to LAC and beat the clippers today without Howard, I still don't love the rockets team at all but Harden definitely deserves the MVP.

People who knock him at this point are just envious of him or just plain silly or blind.

mreinman wrote:James Harden is playing off the charts this year and should win the MVP.

Points: 26.8
Assists: 7.1
Rebounds: 5.8
TS: 60.3
FG: 44.3

He is also playing some inspired defense.

Today, Harden shot 7/16 from the field for a meager FG% of 43.7. This just shows how silly this silly FG stat is.

HE SCORED 34 POINTS TODAY ON ONLY 16 SHOTS! WHO CARES ABOUT FG!

He went 17/18 from the line, and 3/5 from 3. That does not show up in his FG at all.

Houston went in to LAC and beat the clippers today without Howard, I still don't love the rockets team at all but Harden definitely deserves the MVP.

People who knock him at this point are just envious of him or just plain silly or blind.

Who care about FG???..What a silly statement...FG is the thing you can count on to predict what a player will do over the course of a year, perhaps over his career..It's that good a statistical gauge..FTs is a volatile stat that changes on a game to game basis...Harden averages 9.9 fts per game, his ft attempts for this game increase by a phenomenal 82%..How does one work that into your game plan for future games??

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:James Harden is playing off the charts this year and should win the MVP.

Points: 26.8
Assists: 7.1
Rebounds: 5.8
TS: 60.3
FG: 44.3

He is also playing some inspired defense.

Today, Harden shot 7/16 from the field for a meager FG% of 43.7. This just shows how silly this silly FG stat is.

HE SCORED 34 POINTS TODAY ON ONLY 16 SHOTS! WHO CARES ABOUT FG!

He went 17/18 from the line, and 3/5 from 3. That does not show up in his FG at all.

Houston went in to LAC and beat the clippers today without Howard, I still don't love the rockets team at all but Harden definitely deserves the MVP.

People who knock him at this point are just envious of him or just plain silly or blind.

Who care about FG???..What a silly statement...FG is the thing you can count on to predict what a player will do over the course of a year, perhaps over his career..It's that good a statistical gauge..FTs is a volatile stat that changes on a game to game basis...Harden averages 9.9 fts per game, his ft attempts for this game increase by a phenomenal 82%..How does one work that into your game plan for future games??

TS is the stat that you can count on and it also gives you an idea of how many points a player is getting per shot. FG does not tell you that.

Not sure what you are trying to say or prove. Does FG tell you what kind of shots hes taking or how many points that he is getting per shot?

How does his FT's going up by 82% this game have to do with anything? You can't predict FTA, 3PA, 2PA etc ... so what. He is very consistent his whole career with all those across the board.

James Harden has a 44% FG for his career. Does that tell you what type of player he is? No, it tells you not to ever look at that stat and that its only used by old people.

It seems that you have an agenda against him and therefore will try anything to discredit him / be right about him.

Does FG tell you what kind of shots hes taking or how many points that he is getting per shot?

James Harden has a 44% FG for his career. Does that tell you what type of player he is?

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:James Harden is playing off the charts this year and should win the MVP.

Points: 26.8
Assists: 7.1
Rebounds: 5.8
TS: 60.3
FG: 44.3

He is also playing some inspired defense.

Today, Harden shot 7/16 from the field for a meager FG% of 43.7. This just shows how silly this silly FG stat is.

HE SCORED 34 POINTS TODAY ON ONLY 16 SHOTS! WHO CARES ABOUT FG!

He went 17/18 from the line, and 3/5 from 3. That does not show up in his FG at all.

Houston went in to LAC and beat the clippers today without Howard, I still don't love the rockets team at all but Harden definitely deserves the MVP.

People who knock him at this point are just envious of him or just plain silly or blind.

Who care about FG???..What a silly statement...FG is the thing you can count on to predict what a player will do over the course of a year, perhaps over his career..It's that good a statistical gauge..FTs is a volatile stat that changes on a game to game basis...Harden averages 9.9 fts per game, his ft attempts for this game increase by a phenomenal 82%..How does one work that into your game plan for future games??

TS is the stat that you can count on and it also gives you an idea of how many points a player is getting per shot. FG does not tell you that.

Not sure what you are trying to say or prove. Does FG tell you what kind of shots hes taking or how many points that he is getting per shot?

How does his FT's going up by 82% this game have to do with anything? You can't predict FTA, 3PA, 2PA etc ... so what. He is very consistent his whole career with all those across the board.

James Harden has a 44% FG for his career. Does that tell you what type of player he is? No, it tells you not to ever look at that stat and that its only used by old people.

It seems that you have an agenda against him and therefore will try anything to discredit him / be right about him.

Does FG tell you what kind of shots hes taking or how many points that he is getting per shot?

Sure it does, it tells you how many two point shots versus three point shots he has taken...TS% doesn't show that...

James Harden has a 44% FG for his career. Does that tell you what type of player he is?

It sure does, tells you he gets his points at the ft line..Tell you don't foul him, make it difficult for him to score without fouling, which by the way occurs in the playoffs...

It's lame that you and others revert to calling people old or stats from the stone age which is not disproving the points I make...

Why when challenged on an outlandish statement, I must have an agenda??

Exactly the opposite.

You must have an agenda because you seem intent on ignoring the obvious and even saying things that are wrong or exactly opposite of the intention.

Old people (not necessarily you) can be stuck in their ways and logic cannot convince them that they should see things the correct way. You can prove it to them yet they often they are incapable of accepting it.

Granted, Harden is younger and more spry so it may be harder for an older dog like Melo to learn new tricks, but what choice does he have if he is serious about having a legacy as a player?

Harden proves that you can adapt.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:James Harden is playing off the charts this year and should win the MVP.

Points: 26.8
Assists: 7.1
Rebounds: 5.8
TS: 60.3
FG: 44.3

He is also playing some inspired defense.

Today, Harden shot 7/16 from the field for a meager FG% of 43.7. This just shows how silly this silly FG stat is.

HE SCORED 34 POINTS TODAY ON ONLY 16 SHOTS! WHO CARES ABOUT FG!

He went 17/18 from the line, and 3/5 from 3. That does not show up in his FG at all.

Houston went in to LAC and beat the clippers today without Howard, I still don't love the rockets team at all but Harden definitely deserves the MVP.

People who knock him at this point are just envious of him or just plain silly or blind.

Who care about FG???..What a silly statement...FG is the thing you can count on to predict what a player will do over the course of a year, perhaps over his career..It's that good a statistical gauge..FTs is a volatile stat that changes on a game to game basis...Harden averages 9.9 fts per game, his ft attempts for this game increase by a phenomenal 82%..How does one work that into your game plan for future games??

Actually, I think MR much posed the rhetorical question and then answered it pretty clearly by saying:

while it is not the highest FG% it is significantly enhanced by three point shots and such a high ratio of his scoring coming from trips to the line where he is converting at a good percentage.

I thought they were pretty clear in their meaning.

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Well, no individual stat (FG% or TS% or something else) tells the whole story of what happens. Regarding scoring, if I could only know two numbers, I'd want to know both the TS% and PPG. The best players will obviously be efficiently scoring a lot of points. Each factor that contributes to the those totals (like FT%, 2 pointers, etc.) probably matters a little but significantly less than the two totals IMO.

this ... and as far as consistency, Harden every year is about 60 with his TS (which is remarkable).

What that says is that he takes what he is given and finds a way to make his shots and possessions count.

If a guy scores 20 points on 10-20 from the field, great 50% FG ... awesome? not so much.

TS at least combines the three methods of scoring.

I am much more interested in points per possession/shot type stats that give me more insight to a players production.

What stat do you use to gauge a UK poster's effectiveness per post?

mreinman wrote:

Splat wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Well, no individual stat (FG% or TS% or something else) tells the whole story of what happens. Regarding scoring, if I could only know two numbers, I'd want to know both the TS% and PPG. The best players will obviously be efficiently scoring a lot of points. Each factor that contributes to the those totals (like FT%, 2 pointers, etc.) probably matters a little but significantly less than the two totals IMO.

this ... and as far as consistency, Harden every year is about 60 with his TS (which is remarkable).

What that says is that he takes what he is given and finds a way to make his shots and possessions count.

If a guy scores 20 points on 10-20 from the field, great 50% FG ... awesome? not so much.

TS at least combines the three methods of scoring.

I am much more interested in points per possession/shot type stats that give me more insight to a players production.

What stat do you use to gauge a UK poster's effectiveness per post?

Alba of course

How does that work? I'm not wise to the ways of Alba metrics.

EDIT: Duh. I have 1 Alba post. Got it. Thus, I'm a laggard and a non-entity.

Vmart wrote:When the refs swallow the whistle what you got? Getting to the line is subjective. FG % is vital part of the game.

Vmart wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Vmart wrote:When the refs swallow the whistle what you got? Getting to the line is subjective. FG % is vital part of the game.

Deandre Jordan is shooting 71% from the field. Subjective.

Precisely, you can't rely on subjectivity. Free throw shooting is a plus but you can't rely on that to be the major facet of the game. Shot making is in your control.

what is in your control is to have an efficient TS. That means that what ever of the 3 you are doing well, it will show up in your TS. If you are not getting the calls but you are raining threes, that is fine too. If you are just hitting 60% from 2's, that's also good.

TS tells you if a player is playing efficiently regardless of where he is getting his points.

Is 20 points on 20 shots good? Of course it's not. But its 50% FG!!! Big whoop. How is that different than 5 for 10 and twenty points?