Thats why I dont argue with people. And to go back that was a post of me saying Blake Griffin was the next Karl Malone. At the time most people wanted to take Ricky Rubio #1 and thought Blake was "undersized"

BRIGGS wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=30706&page=2

Thats why I dont argue with people. And to go back that was a post of me saying Blake Griffin was the next Karl Malone. At the time most people wanted to take Ricky Rubio #1 and thought Blake was "undersized"

???

BRIGGS wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=30706&page=2

Thats why I dont argue with people. And to go back that was a post of me saying Blake Griffin was the next Karl Malone. At the time most people wanted to take Ricky Rubio #1 and thought Blake was "undersized"

If I bookmark this post for the future, will you mind if in one year I use it to say I told you so about you saying I told you so.

dk7th wrote:i still have no idea what is going on. i am assuming an insult is involved. if so, it went over my head.

I can't remember where I put my keys. Forget about some post from the past.

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

dk7th wrote:i still have no idea what is going on. i am assuming an insult is involved. if so, it went over my head.

I can't remember where I put my keys. Forget about some post from the past.

am i being quoted and is the quote revealing how dumb i am?

I cannot say for sure, but I can feed monkeys:

BRIGGS wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

dk7th wrote:i still have no idea what is going on. i am assuming an insult is involved. if so, it went over my head.

I can't remember where I put my keys. Forget about some post from the past.

am i being quoted and is the quote revealing how dumb i am?

I think when hou say ok4 scks u can look back jn a couple of years and look pretty stupid. I haven't seen 1 post from you other than melo stinks- can you tell us all whod you like in the draft lets say5-6pciks deep in tiers say 2-10-20-30-40and in free agen y to improve the knicks.

i do not think okafor sucks as a college player but i am trying to project success on him as a pro and i just don't see the high ceiling for all the hype he gets now. my concerns for him, selfishly as a knicks fan, are his conditioning, his low release point, and his defensive ability. all these things need to be addressed because the nba is far more grueling, the players are taller and bigger.

is there anything wrong with what i said, or inaccurate?

as to who my top guys are, right now i have to go with towns and cauly-stein. but that said, my intent is to follow the ncaa tourney much more closely this season than in the past, at least by the round of 16. by then we can revisit this subject.

agreed?

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

dk7th wrote:i still have no idea what is going on. i am assuming an insult is involved. if so, it went over my head.

I can't remember where I put my keys. Forget about some post from the past.

am i being quoted and is the quote revealing how dumb i am?

I think when hou say ok4 scks u can look back jn a couple of years and look pretty stupid. I haven't seen 1 post from you other than melo stinks- can you tell us all whod you like in the draft lets say5-6pciks deep in tiers say 2-10-20-30-40and in free agen y to improve the knicks.

What are going on about Briggs? If you were right and chose the correct player, wouldn't that be satisfaction enough? Why are you priming the pump to embarrass someone at a future date? You do a great job being the board's #1 Scout, but you're diminishing yourself by doing this.

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StarksEwing1 wrote:
Phil wants either towns or russell so thats great for u s
how do you know that? i am not being snarky just curious. some posters (who i think don't really understand basketball too well) think okafor is the blue chip player that phil must acquire or he's nuts. me, when i see okafor i see a guy who may have conditioning issues and is going to get abused on defense. somebody also mentioned that his release point is too low and he's going to get his shot stuffed in the nba. i agree.

My take is okafor is going to be a great 4 man who will be a tier 1 all star franchise player from the 4 position --so I must also be really stupid about basketball.

BRIGGS wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

dk7th wrote:i still have no idea what is going on. i am assuming an insult is involved. if so, it went over my head.

I can't remember where I put my keys. Forget about some post from the past.

am i being quoted and is the quote revealing how dumb i am?

I think when hou say ok4 scks u can look back jn a couple of years and look pretty stupid. I haven't seen 1 post from you other than melo stinks- can you tell us all whod you like in the draft lets say5-6pciks deep in tiers say 2-10-20-30-40and in free agen y to improve the knicks.

i do not think okafor sucks as a college player but i am trying to project success on him as a pro and i just don't see the high ceiling for all the hype he gets now. my concerns for him, selfishly as a knicks fan, are his conditioning, his low release point, and his defensive ability. all these things need to be addressed because the nba is far more grueling, the players are taller and bigger.

is there anything wrong with what i said, or inaccurate?

as to who my top guys are, right now i have to go with towns and cauly-stein. but that said, my intent is to follow the ncaa tourney much more closely this season than in the past, at least by the round of 16. by then we can revisit this subject.

agreed?

That's cool. The only point I was bringing out is its essy to say what's wrong or who stinks and a whole different deal to rectify

By the way ill go as far as go say I'd steer clear of willie stein in the draft. I tend to value offense over defensive high end skills in the nba. I don't think over 3 years stein has devloped much more than being an opportunity player on offense with no jumpshot and or posting skills. To make a will stein work you need guys who can score. Hes a tim mosgov ty chandler pote8ntially valuable as a 5th guy

as far as what's wrong with towns i can't say much, although i wonder about his lower body-- those legs are long and gangly and i hope he doesn't fall into the trap of building up his upper body which could end up making him top heavy which in turn will lead to knee problems and foot problems.

obviously cauly-stein is limited offensively but is going to be an opportunist as you say. he has an nba-ready body, long, lean, cat-like, and quick. you can't teach natural gifts and athleticism like that. i think there is a place in a starting lineup for players like him in today's nba, as most contenders do in fact have guys who can score. that does not include the knicks but we are talking about the top players in the ncaa, nit just the ones who would fit on the knicks.

one last thing: assuming the triangle remains the framework, i will be looking at the passing skills and court vision of okafor and towns very closely.

EDIT: it is even more crucial that we get a passing big man than a backcourt player in my opinion, because in the triangle offense melo anthiny will need a player one position "up" from him to work with than in a more conventional, guard run offense... not to mention defensive superiority.

BRIGGS wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

dk7th wrote:i still have no idea what is going on. i am assuming an insult is involved. if so, it went over my head.

I can't remember where I put my keys. Forget about some post from the past.

am i being quoted and is the quote revealing how dumb i am?

I think when hou say ok4 scks u can look back jn a couple of years and look pretty stupid. I haven't seen 1 post from you other than melo stinks- can you tell us all whod you like in the draft lets say5-6pciks deep in tiers say 2-10-20-30-40and in free agen y to improve the knicks.

i do not think okafor sucks as a college player but i am trying to project success on him as a pro and i just don't see the high ceiling for all the hype he gets now. my concerns for him, selfishly as a knicks fan, are his conditioning, his low release point, and his defensive ability. all these things need to be addressed because the nba is far more grueling, the players are taller and bigger.

is there anything wrong with what i said, or inaccurate?

as to who my top guys are, right now i have to go with towns and cauly-stein. but that said, my intent is to follow the ncaa tourney much more closely this season than in the past, at least by the round of 16. by then we can revisit this subject.

agreed?

That's cool. The only point I was bringing out is its essy to say what's wrong or who stinks and a whole different deal to rectify

By the way ill go as far as go say I'd steer clear of willie stein in the draft. I tend to value offense over defensive high end skills in the nba. I don't think over 3 years stein has devloped much more than being an opportunity player on offense with no jumpshot and or posting skills. To make a will stein work you need guys who can score. Hes a tim mosgov ty chandler pote8ntially valuable as a 5th guy

as far as what's wrong with towns i can't say much, although i wonder about his lower body-- those legs are long and gangly and i hope he doesn't fall into the trap of building up his upper body which could end up making him top heavy which in turn will lead to knee problems and foot problems.

obviously cauly-stein is limited offensively but is going to be an opportunist as you say. he has an nba-ready body, long, lean, cat-like, and quick. you can't teach natural gifts and athleticism like that. i think there is a place in a starting lineup for players like him in today's nba, as most contenders do in fact have guys who can score. that does not include the knicks but we are talking about the top players in the ncaa, nit just the ones who would fit on the knicks.

one last thing: assuming the triangle remains the framework, i will be looking at the passing skills and court vision of okafor and towns very closely.

EDIT: it is even more crucial that we get a passing big man than a backcourt player in my opinion, because in the triangle offense melo anthiny will need a player one position "up" from him to work with than in a more conventional, guard run offense... not to mention defensive superiority.

If I was drafting anyone I woukd just get the best talent I could. Okafor will be here 10 years after yhe triangle is gone if it even comes back next year. I think people are consumed wiyh ok4 as 5 when he's a 4 I'm sure we coukd gind a combination of players at 5 who could compensat. Its the fard part to get the 20+ scorer. He's going to be much better than some of the naysayers believ. It was kind of strange reading one of g he smart err posters on here talking abiut lateral quickness on d as priority. To me a priority is finding a pivot who will command tremendous defensive attention who will work hard to get better who will give me a consistent 22-10 and I can work from there at the next posiyion.

okay i prize lateral quickness in the perimeter but you need quick feet to three-quarter a guy in the post to defend against the entry pass, and qhick hops to recover if the guy releases for a lob. okafor is not capable of that.

more than commanding defensive attention, okafor needs to demonstrate that he can pass out of double-teams and/or find cutters. in the playoffs this is paramount. yes scoring and rebounding are important but making others better with "clutch passing" like laker-era shaq, duncan, chris webber, griffin when paul was out, etc. etc.

as i said, i will be looking at these players' passing games, triangle or no triangle.

as to acquiring talent for its own sake, which is what you are clearly advocating... not a fan of that approach.

Hector wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=30706&page=2

Thats why I dont argue with people. And to go back that was a post of me saying Blake Griffin was the next Karl Malone. At the time most people wanted to take Ricky Rubio #1 and thought Blake was "undersized"

He's had a pretty good career so far but he's far from the next Karl Malone.