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Is there evidence of a 30 year old player in any sport coming off major knee surgery
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3/12/2015  12:17 PM
Who was able to regain their same level of play for multiple years.
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3/12/2015  12:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2015  12:47 PM
Grant Hill after 7 consective years of surgery and rehab, though he wasn't the "same YOUNG player" he was in his prime, he was surprisinly VERY solid on The Sun's for a couple of years, especially on DEFENSE/Facilitating/all round skills

However, CA's is very different from Hill and other older players, though he probably has the most range/ability to shoot *if he improved his shot selection which is suppose to happen in the Triangle with added talents/post play threats*

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3/12/2015  12:50 PM
RonRon wrote:Grant Hill after 7 consective years of surgery and rehab, though he wasn't the "same YOUNG player" he was in his prime, he was surprisinly VERY solid on The Sun's for a couple of years, especially on DEFENSE/Facilitating/all round skills

However, CA's is very different from Hill and other older players, though he probably has the most range/ability to shoot *if he improved his shot selection which is suppose to happen in the Triangle with added talents/post play threats*

Well thats not much to go on Ron--that doenst answer the ? what player +30 years old with major knee surgery has come back to play at top form for multiple years? Even a young guy like D Rose is having massive problems at 24 years old. You can comeback--but it seems to stay with you or morph into something else quickly.

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3/12/2015  12:56 PM
Jerry Rice when he tore his ACL and mcl in the first game of the season then came back in week 14 or 15. He then proceeded to crack his patella that season. However, the following season he had another 1000 yd season.

Keep in mind this was back before the new medical advances and Rice came back from an ACL and MCL in the same season. That's crazy.

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3/12/2015  12:57 PM
I write this thread with merit and it really conjoins with the dont trade the pick under ANy circumstance thread.

Carmelo is 30 years old and he just had his PATELLA tendon rebuilt. That is the tendon that sheared on Mcdyess and lead to complete collapse of his knee.

I look at the pick as a compliment and a LONG term replacement to melo. If Melo cant come back correctly or re injures-atleast we have a foundation in place.

I see Melo having knee pain again by game 30 with his usage.

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3/12/2015  1:00 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Jerry Rice when he tore his ACL and mcl in the first game of the season then came back in week 14 or 15. He then proceeded to crack his patella that season. However, the following season he had another 1000 yd season.

Keep in mind this was back before the new medical advances and Rice came back from an ACL and MCL in the same season. That's crazy.

Yeah thats what I fear--just like Mcdyess--once you mess with that Patella tendon--it leaves the entire knee open to re-injury. They need to bring him along as slow as molasses and keep him at 28-30 minutes. they wont and his knee will explode within 40 games.

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3/12/2015  1:02 PM
Allan Houston Mcdyess Amare--the Knee injury has worked out very well for the Knicks.
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Here's the best article i've found on the subject of Melo's knee surgery and expected outcomes.

The expected recovery is between four and six months, suggesting Melo’s rehab could potentially spill over into next season’s training camp. Furthermore, the surgery will raise questions about Anthony’s long-term health. Looking at over 70 examples of knee debridement procedures in the NBA, 45 percent of players that required the surgery would undergo additional surgery on the involved leg at a later point in their career. These figures include players like Joakim Noah, Tyreke Evans, and Knicks rookie Cleanthony Early who have all undergone a debridement within the last calendar year as well as several players whose careers ended within a year of their initial debridement. Anthony himself is already included in these figures having undergone a debridement procedure on his left knee prior to the lockout-shortened season.

As previously mentioned, Anthony’s latest surgery will be on a specific area of the knee, the patellar tendon. In the procedure, the degenerative tissue will be excised as well as any calcifications or nodules. The specific technique required depends on the extent and location of the damage. In some serious cases, the patellar tendon must actually be resected.

Very few reported cases of NBA players undergoing patellar tendon debridements have occurred, though two recent examples do stand out. Miami guard Dwyane Wade underwent a patellar tendon debridement prior to the 2007-08 season. Since then Wade has undergone two OssaTron treatments on the repaired area and another debridement before the 2012-13 season. Coincidently, Wade’s current teammate, Danny Granger, is the other notable individual to require a patellar tendon debridement. The surgery, performed during the 2012-13 season while Granger was with the Pacers, cost him the final 21 games of the season and all 19 of Indiana’s postseason games. Like Wade, Granger also needed another debridement procedure following the initial surgery, going under the knife shortly after signing with the Heat this past summer.

While every case is different and Anthony may very well return to a high-level of play, history suggests the knee could easily continue to be a problem moving forward. Regular maintenance and a specific, continuous rehab protocol can help minimize the affects but the early returns on New York’s $124 million investment have to be frustrating for all involved parties.

http://instreetclothes.com/2015/02/18/understanding-carmelo-anthonys-patellar-tendon-debridement/

It seems to me that Melo is not going to be a guy we can depend on being totally healthy for the rest of his career. It's just not the kind of injury that you get and forget afterwards. I think he's going to have to change how he plays a bit. Instead of his usual explosive jumping on his shots, he might consider going with the Dirk one leg lean back and more of a set shot low jump shot. I switched to that style and it's allowed me to continue playing without aggravating my knees. I don't know if Melo will do this but I think he's already started to add the Dirk style shot to his game so maybe he knows this already. Perhaps he'll be more of a perimeter player and do less of the low post fighting and constant repeat jumping to fight for rebounds.

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3/12/2015  1:05 PM
That would be the smart thing to do but I doubt it. He should've shut it down and have the surgery 3months before he did but kept playing 40mins
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3/12/2015  1:08 PM
nixluva wrote:Here's the best article i've found on the subject of Melo's knee surgery and expected outcomes.

The expected recovery is between four and six months, suggesting Melo’s rehab could potentially spill over into next season’s training camp. Furthermore, the surgery will raise questions about Anthony’s long-term health. Looking at over 70 examples of knee debridement procedures in the NBA, 45 percent of players that required the surgery would undergo additional surgery on the involved leg at a later point in their career. These figures include players like Joakim Noah, Tyreke Evans, and Knicks rookie Cleanthony Early who have all undergone a debridement within the last calendar year as well as several players whose careers ended within a year of their initial debridement. Anthony himself is already included in these figures having undergone a debridement procedure on his left knee prior to the lockout-shortened season.

As previously mentioned, Anthony’s latest surgery will be on a specific area of the knee, the patellar tendon. In the procedure, the degenerative tissue will be excised as well as any calcifications or nodules. The specific technique required depends on the extent and location of the damage. In some serious cases, the patellar tendon must actually be resected.

Very few reported cases of NBA players undergoing patellar tendon debridements have occurred, though two recent examples do stand out. Miami guard Dwyane Wade underwent a patellar tendon debridement prior to the 2007-08 season. Since then Wade has undergone two OssaTron treatments on the repaired area and another debridement before the 2012-13 season. Coincidently, Wade’s current teammate, Danny Granger, is the other notable individual to require a patellar tendon debridement. The surgery, performed during the 2012-13 season while Granger was with the Pacers, cost him the final 21 games of the season and all 19 of Indiana’s postseason games. Like Wade, Granger also needed another debridement procedure following the initial surgery, going under the knife shortly after signing with the Heat this past summer.

While every case is different and Anthony may very well return to a high-level of play, history suggests the knee could easily continue to be a problem moving forward. Regular maintenance and a specific, continuous rehab protocol can help minimize the affects but the early returns on New York’s $124 million investment have to be frustrating for all involved parties.

http://instreetclothes.com/2015/02/18/understanding-carmelo-anthonys-patellar-tendon-debridement/

It seems to me that Melo is not going to be a guy we can depend on being totally healthy for the rest of his career. It's just not the kind of injury that you get and forget afterwards. I think he's going to have to change how he plays a bit. Instead of his usual explosive jumping on his shots, he might consider going with the Dirk one leg lean back and more of a set shot low jump shot. I switched to that style and it's allowed me to continue playing without aggravating my knees. I don't know if Melo will do this but I think he's already started to add the Dirk style shot to his game so maybe he knows this already. Perhaps he'll be more of a perimeter player and do less of the low post fighting and constant repeat jumping to fight for rebounds.


nixluva thanks for posting--i already read it but its just proves as a material back up. Anthony is now damaged goods and we need to think of him as a seondary player who can go limited minutes. He can still help the team of course- as a third or 4th guy.
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3/12/2015  1:11 PM
Grant Hill did come back, but he was a very different player. He could still contribute, but he was no longer an impact player or franchise player.
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3/12/2015  1:12 PM
Two examples is not enough to go on at all. Wade had a 5 year period before the next surgery and Granger's came the next year. You also do not know those players previous medical history. What if they both had prior Knee issues? Who knows. Everyone responds differently. Also, Wade's former trainer(Tim Grover) says a lot of Wade issues could be prevented with the correct training regimen. They had success in the playoffs but Wade has not gone back to him.

So like I said there are many question marks and not enough info to lean one way or another.

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3/12/2015  1:12 PM
Melo would make a good 6th man. Less minutes and a big fat green light to shoot when he's in the game.
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3/12/2015  1:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2015  1:20 PM
JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September...
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3/12/2015  1:31 PM
holfresh wrote:JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September...

Can we pay Melo $6M a year then

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3/12/2015  1:35 PM
holfresh wrote:JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September...

JR Smith is miles from a franchise player who is called on for 40 minutes a night.

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3/12/2015  1:39 PM
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holfresh wrote:JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September...

JR Smith is miles from a franchise player who is called on for 40 minutes a night.

I think the question was a player who was able to regain the same level of play...

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BRIGGS wrote:
holfresh wrote:JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September...

JR Smith is miles from a franchise player who is called on for 40 minutes a night.

thats not what you asked. The question is JR as good as we was before the surgery and his # of shots are down a bit but his minutes and %s are close to where he was 2 years ago when he was 6th man. He's playing 30+ minutes also and moving extremely well.
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BRIGGS wrote:
holfresh wrote:JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September...

JR Smith is miles from a franchise player who is called on for 40 minutes a night.

I think the question was a player who was able to regain the same level of play...

I asked was there a player older than 30 who regained his for for multi years-is there even 1? We know of a lot that have not right?

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3/12/2015  1:56 PM
I gave you Jerry Rice. You could through in Kenyon Martin who had his second microfracture surgery but returned to his explosive self. There are probably many more examples but I imagine most poster do not have a vast library filled with every player injury history on hand.
Is there evidence of a 30 year old player in any sport coming off major knee surgery

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