NYKBocker wrote:I agree but the triangle just needs guards and he should be good enough to be a rotational player.

high IQ guards.. he's a nice player to have on the bench, but clearly not a starter.

Bonn1997 wrote:He's basically equivalent to an extra 2nd round pick.

But I don't see how we can go into next year with him, Alex & THjr without a major upgrade to the back court unless we're aiming to finish 12 & 70 again.

franco12 wrote:he's a nice player. He's gutsy. He hits big shots.

But I don't see how we can go into next year with him, Alex & THjr without a major upgrade to the back court unless we're aiming to finish 12 & 70 again.

Right we need pro vet guards and perhaps a talent upgrade through the draft/

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:he's a nice player. He's gutsy. He hits big shots.

But I don't see how we can go into next year with him, Alex & THjr without a major upgrade to the back court unless we're aiming to finish 12 & 70 again.

Right we need pro vet guards and perhaps a talent upgrade through the draft/

We just need a vet PG who can split time with him. Calderon actually isn't a bad option, just not at the price we have him. But Galloway will be fine eventually, and fits the mold of what we need at that position. He can end up being a solid, well-rounded guard with time.

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Top 5 according to what? You make it sound like there's a factually correct ranking somewhere that has him at 5. I wouldn't put him at 5 but it's silly to care much about how he ranks compared to guys 3, 4, and 5 years younger than him anyway though.

Galloway ranks as follows among NBA Rookies -

Scoring (ppg) - 3rd
Rebounds (pg) - 5th
Assists (pg) - 5th
3 Pt % - 4th
Steals (pg) - 7th
Mins (pg) - 3rd

Not sure what this means in terms of future potential, but if the trending continued, it would appear to valuate higher than a 2nd Round pick. Further, Galloway is still 23 years old which is still reasonably young. Not sure how you are comparing him to other rookies who are 4 and 5 years younger - as the current NBA crop of Rookies are almost all approximately 20 - 23 years old.

If he's 3rd in minutes, of course his per game stats are going to be high.
Breaking news: Galloway gets more points in 30 minutes than other rookies get in 10 minutes.
You'll find many more useful stats on basketball reference and other websites.

So lets recap
- playing top flight defense
- hits big shots
- takes care of the ball
- great shooting potential (#s there just not in NBA yet)
- has a great motor
- recognized around top 10 of his rookie class

There is a smarter than thou voice around these parts confidently labeling Phil's first year an epic fail, but seeing LG in summer, gromming him in the D league and having him play well in the NBA is a nice job of developing a piece moving forward. I think Raja Bell was undrafted also... I can see some similarities there also.

This player is looking more and more like a nice job by Knicks new managment. May be small but its still part of the picture.

BRIGGS wrote:He's a 6-2 shooting guard.

didn't we know this?

You know, the long arm thing was thrown in there also.
Phil don't need pg's.

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Top 5 according to what? You make it sound like there's a factually correct ranking somewhere that has him at 5. I wouldn't put him at 5 but it's silly to care much about how he ranks compared to guys 3, 4, and 5 years younger than him anyway though.

Galloway ranks as follows among NBA Rookies -

Scoring (ppg) - 3rd
Rebounds (pg) - 5th
Assists (pg) - 5th
3 Pt % - 4th
Steals (pg) - 7th
Mins (pg) - 3rd

Not sure what this means in terms of future potential, but if the trending continued, it would appear to valuate higher than a 2nd Round pick. Further, Galloway is still 23 years old which is still reasonably young. Not sure how you are comparing him to other rookies who are 4 and 5 years younger - as the current NBA crop of Rookies are almost all approximately 20 - 23 years old.

If he's 3rd in minutes, of course his per game stats are going to be high.
Breaking news: Galloway gets more points in 30 minutes than other rookies get in 10 minutes.
You'll find many more useful stats on basketball reference and other websites.

and for a 30 mpg rookie his defensive stats and rebounding are fantastic. He's showing he's versatile enough to be a rotation guy and I firmly believe his shot will get better. He may be 6'2 but his wingspan more than compensates and the bottom line is when you watch him for 5 minutes the first thing you see is he does NOT play small. He also doesnt turn the ball over.

So lets recap
- playing top flight defense
- hits big shots
- takes care of the ball
- great shooting potential (#s there just not in NBA yet)
- has a great motor
- recognized around top 10 of his rookie class

There is a smarter than thou voice around these parts confidently labeling Phil's first year an epic fail, but seeing LG in summer, gromming him in the D league and having him play well in the NBA is a nice job of developing a piece moving forward. I think Raja Bell was undrafted also... I can see some similarities there also.

This player is looking more and more like a nice job by Knicks new managment. May be small but its still part of the picture.

Oh this season was still a historic failure by Phil and he's lucky this wasn't one of the years we traded away our pick. A reasonably nice 20 game stretch by a rookie doesn't make this a successful season. We've had countless nice 20 or so game rookie stretches (Landry Fields, Channing Frye, Jeremy Lin, and more) that were followed by much worse play. (And this 20 game stretch ranks below stretches of those other players.) I think his .050 WS 48 is an accurate reflection of his play. Like most rookies, he's a well below average NBA player but he's still making a helpful contribution. He's contributing more than what you'd expect from a < 1 mil per year salary and is a good bargain.
I am glad we have Galloway but if this is all you need to say a season wasn't a failure, you're in Nixluva territory. It's almost impossible to put together a roster that doesn't even have one nice player on a rookie contract.