Carroll can't put up the same numbers, but in some ways he is kind of a poor man's Draymond Green.

smackeddog wrote:I said I'd like him on this team- we only have $26mil to spend, so it makes sense to go after either him or Danny Green, as they should come at a lower price than Wes.

My theory is simple....go after the big dogs like Wes. If you cant get him, pickup the guys that can guard him, like this dude.

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I said I'd like him on this team- we only have $26mil to spend, so it makes sense to go after either him or Danny Green, as they should come at a lower price than Wes.

My theory is simple....go after the big dogs like Wes. If you cant get him, pickup the guys that can guard him, like this dude.

We can only afford one big dog though, so I'd rather we used it in the front court, simply because there are some quality cheaper options at SG. I prefer Green and Carroll than any PF/ C (depending on if we draft Towns or OK4) in the same price range.

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I said I'd like him on this team- we only have $26mil to spend, so it makes sense to go after either him or Danny Green, as they should come at a lower price than Wes.

My theory is simple....go after the big dogs like Wes. If you cant get him, pickup the guys that can guard him, like this dude.

I wouldnt pay Wes Matthews 12-14mm over 4 years. I like the idea of Tim Hardaway waking up and playing more consistent basketball and staying cost-restricted. That way we can potentially get away with signing a much lower cost vet.

I want to keep our salary cap fluid and flexible. I like to think that when a true star becomes available we can be in the game r get there without having to send off 9 #1's.

The BEST thing that can happen to the Knicks is if the management believes we can go forward with Galloway Hardaway etc..Id rather be cost savvy and smart with our money.

I want us to get Okafor or Towns thats #1 2 and 3 on my list. I think if we get 1 of these guys-free agency becomes much easier

FistOfOakley wrote:the thing with paying these type of guys big money.. and yes i equate 8mm or so big money... is that they've been nurtured in a very specific system for years... alot of his action come from drives and kicks or some other form of pass... we run the triangle so alot of his offense and shots are going to come at different angles... can he succeed? maybe... is he going to look as good as he has in atlanta? probably not...

this is why a lot of role players who switch teams for big money don't do well... and that's the danger with giving role players big money... if you can't give them a similar environment for success they are going to have to relearn how to be successful.. these guys are good but they are not so good that they can play anywhere.. that's why they are role players... that's why it took him until he was 28 to be an ok player...

another knock is his age... he will be 32 after his contract with us... it's a big risk to even give him mid level money...

These are good points. I think Phil is moving more in the direction of being conservative with Free Agency. I think Phil realizes that there are very few players worth spending big bucks on when you can get similar production for less. I don't think Phil is going to be quick to blow money on anyone at this point. I think he's going to be more cautious with this opportunity to build this team right.

TPercy wrote:Isn't he a SF? Could he play the 2? Haven't seen much of him.

That's my question. Where does a guy like him see most of his minutes here? Is he a SG or undersized 4?

RonRon wrote:He is a SF/PF, HIGH BB IQ, size/strength/mobility/defensive abiltiies allows him to defend G's and Center's on switches if needed
A great fit on how teams should play and how Atlanta has played as a team, like The Spur's have utilizing all 5 players instead of 1-2 players on ISO's, they have multiple DEFENDERS that could defend multiple positions but are undersized in general, however, with their lack of size comes extra mobility/quickness, allowing them to cheat and recover much quicker, with the HIGH IQ, HUSTLE, and TRUST/COMMUNICATION they have built with each other and Coach Bud, a student of Poppavich

On OFFENSE, he has improved his 3pt shot and usually only takes WIDE OPEN SHOTS, with great ball movement, player movement, sharing the basketball, with penetration from guards, and multiple players to spread the floor, taking what the DEFENSE gives them

They tend to use the MID RANGE from their BIGS like Horford *which plays Center* but was really a PF that has built his body to the strength of a center for the team
Taking wide open shots, making great cuts, and playing TOP NOTCH DEFENSE EVERY NIGHT, without an "ALL STAR" resembling a bit of our Knick's that won a ring with Frazier and Captian Willie Reed as Horford

Way's Atlanta initiates their OFFENSE, depending on match ups, how the defense plays them
In no specific order...

1- Utilizing Korver's ability to spread the floor, catch and shoot, and setting him double screens as he moves without the ball very well, they have multiple ways to can initiate an OFFENSE efficiently
He has taken a page out of RIP, who was one of the best of playing without the ball, who took a page out of Reggie Miller

2- Teague/Dennis Schrodder running the PnR with anyone that can hit the mid range shot and all guards could finish and hit the mid range and deep ball as well

3- utilizing Horford's midrange game at Center, which is suppose to be one of their weakness's that turned in their strenghts, as Centers generally do not like to go out to contend shooters
As Horford also could beat his man off the dribble if contested and has good ability to pass the ball, especially with great cuts and shooters to spread the floor

4- Millsap, like CA, he has the ability to play inside and out, while being highly efficient and willing to make the correct high % shot
All of their Center's, PF's, and SF's, in Horford, Millsap, Carroll can all shoot 3pters if open and are great mid range shoooters, on top of that they can all score in deep post position 1v1, and all are good passers, making it very hard to defend, as they can go to any one person on any play/any given night

5- then their is their bench

They have great depth and the development of Dennis Schrodder has greatly elevated their style of play and defense

Staring lineup, while they may be undersized at the 5 position and maybe even the PF, they have multiple/versatile/skilled players that uses their HIGH IQ/TEAM CHEMISTRY to make up for their size and "lack of STARS"

Teague
Korver
DaMarre Carroll
Millsap
Horford

Dennis Schroeder at PG/SG
With Shelvin Mack as a combo guard that can light it up as well
John Jenkins as another SG with great shooting ability that barely gets to play

Kent Baezemore who played for GS and was drafted by them as their backup G/F
Thabo Sethelosha as a G/F

Mike Scott as a F that has GREAT SHOOTING ABILITY that can play SG, SF, PF if needed as a stretch 4

Pero Antic as a stretch 5 with great size, has a similar built to Pekovic who can play inside and play DEFENSE/GRAB boards but also spread the floor as a backup sretch 5 that is also a RFA
Elton Brand for depth/leadership and Mike Muscula who is another stretch 5

So what position does he start at in NY? He obviously is a starting player in this league on one of the best teams, so he will be a starter if he leaves. Does he start in NY at PF?

TPercy wrote:Isn't he a SF? Could he play the 2? Haven't seen much of him.