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Chico
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6/23/2004  1:25 PM
Shandon Anderson and the #43 pick for Alan Henderson and the #35 pick.

We then buy out Henderson (last year of contract for 8 mill).

Why do we do this?

1) get rid of Shandon

2) open up roster spot

3) more likely to get a difference maker at #35 than #43

The above are clearly worth the 8 mill it would cost us...sheesh zeke would pay 8 mill just to accomplish the first reason, two and three are gravy.

Why does Atlanta do it?

1) Shandon is from Atlanta

2) Shandon is never injured (nba iron man)

3) He's a legit 7th or 8th man

4) They have 3 players on their roster. With 5 picks, they're gonna need some vets to steer the youth. Despite his shortcomings, Shandon is a perfectly legit 2 or 3 off the bench...especially on a rebuilding team
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6/23/2004  1:34 PM
ATL won't give up an expiring deal for a marginal role player w/4 more years left on his deal...i don't care where Shandon is from.
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6/23/2004  1:39 PM
realistic shandon anderson trade = oxymoron
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6/23/2004  1:45 PM
You are right on one point...if Atlanta wants to build a team of young guys they should have a vet in there to help the process. I don't know if they add Shandon because of the lenght and $ of his contract. Finding a couple of vets that are willing to take 2-4 Million a year is probably a better idea for them.
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6/23/2004  2:06 PM
Not gonna work. Atlanta won't take on a longer deal for a similarly bad player, and who cares if he's from Georgia (so was Abdur Rahim). IMO the way we can get rid of Shandon is to find a player with a similar talent level with a longer deal (this player does not exist). Or package him with some other desirable contracts and picks for some really long deals (i.e. they way we dumped Eisley to get Marbury and ultimately take on Penny's contract. Unfortunately we have no McDyess contract, Ward buyout or picks). Or finally, to package him for two overpaid scrubs...i.e. two Moochie Norris. As we know, one Moochie is surely enough...

[Edited by - Vdesai on 06/23/2004 14:07:46]
TMS
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6/23/2004  2:26 PM
the most realistic trade i can think of for Shandon is something like Shandon & a 2nd round pick for Abdul Wahad (why you would do this i have no idea), or Shandon, Mutombo & a 2nd round pick for Raef Lafrentz (an even worse contract than Shandon's)

i can't picture any team giving up any expiring deals or quality players w/reasonable contracts for Shandon.
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6/23/2004  2:29 PM
I would consider that LaFrentz deal, if only because he's a legitimate shotblocker, and can score a little. I doubt Ainge would deal with us though.
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6/23/2004  3:21 PM
How about S.Anderson, KT & Frank Williams for M.Rose & Turk(S&T for about 4mil). Spurs are under the cap. Rose has one yr longer than Anderson. Williams would be a excellent backup to Parker and they need a backup bad. KT can play both PF & Center and get away with it with Duncan by his side. It would be like trading Rose for Anderson & Frank Williams & moving KT for Turk. Knicks replace Anderson with Rose and add Turk who could come off the bench play 4 positions adding size and versatility.
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6/23/2004  3:37 PM
Spurs are looking for cap space so they can sign Kobe or K-Mart & re-sign Manu...i don't think they'd be interested in KT at this point anymore...i think the Knicks should have made that trade last year when they had the chance.

[Edited by - TMS on 06/23/2004 15:37:49]
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Chico
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6/23/2004  4:34 PM
TMS said " ATL won't give up an expiring deal for a marginal role player w/4 more years left on his deal...i don't care where Shandon is from."

Correction: Shandon has 3 years, NOT 4 left on his contract...that's a relevant distinction, it means they (or the Knicks) can trade him as a semi valuable ending contract in just 2 years.

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6/23/2004  5:50 PM
no it doesn't, because any way you cut it, Shandon is just not a good player, period...if i were a GM of any team, i'd rather have an ending contract of a player i wouldn't even be using than a guy like shandon who's due to be paid over $21 million over the next 3 seasons, & double that amount if you include the luxury tax.

sorry, but your idea was just not realistic at all.
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6/23/2004  9:17 PM
Posted by Andrew:

realistic shandon anderson trade = oxymoron

couldn't have said it better myself. Stop wasting time trying to trade Anderson. Just let him rot on the IR until his contract is an expiring one in 2 1/2 years--that's the only time you can get something decent for him.
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6/23/2004  11:28 PM
except dolan won't let that happen. he's paying the bills and if he's paying a dude 7 mill a year, he wants to see him play, (name one decision dolan has made where talent was even a top 3 factor... spree? marv? and yes dolan made those decisions...zeke might be a high paid gm in a high flying league, but he's still dolan's boy.)
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6/24/2004  12:17 AM
name one decision dolan has made where talent was even a top 3 factor

just one? how about putting Frank rather than Moochie (who has a bigger contract) on the playoff roster
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6/24/2004  12:27 AM
at first that example appears to be the exception that proves the rule... however anyone sensible could see Houston wasn't going to possibly play and we weren't going to get by NJ anyway, so Houston should clearly have been put on the IL and both Moochie and Frankie should've been activated. A nonplaying Houston was activated instead of Moochie. A walking Moochie has more talent than a non walking Houston, so the fact is, Dolan kept Houston activated to sell tickets to a sweep, rather than face facts, activate Moochie and give us a flying chance to win just one game. Those are facts, jack.
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6/24/2004  12:39 AM
Posted by Chico:

at first that example appears to be the exception that proves the rule... however anyone sensible could see Houston wasn't going to possibly play and we weren't going to get by NJ anyway, so Houston should clearly have been put on the IL and both Moochie and Frankie should've been activated. A nonplaying Houston was activated instead of Moochie. A walking Moochie has more talent than a non walking Houston, so the fact is, Dolan kept Houston activated to sell tickets to a sweep, rather than face facts, activate Moochie and give us a flying chance to win just one game. Those are facts, jack.

Hey, don't change the rules. You just said name one example. You didn't say irrelevant counter-examples needed to be discussed
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