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Even Spock Knows the Knicks Must Move On Without Melo
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misterearl
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2/28/2015  12:43 PM
This is not personal. Nor is it up for debate. It is painfully obvious that in order to build a new team, the Knicks must free themselves from the heavy-hand ego of a player who believes with every fibre of his being that his scoring is the key to success.

He is a fierce competitor. He is a warrior who plays while hurting. However, he not the answer to playing consistent defense or hitting the open man

No more solo stars.

"the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few."

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nixluva
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2/28/2015  12:50 PM
I think Melo will come back more willing to let others carry the load. Also the other players will be more capable of executing as they started to show last night. It's a process where the rest of the team has to grow in confidence and I believe they will. After these players get used to playing without him they won't want to go back to just standing and watching Melo. They won't have to in this system. All they have to do is just run the system and the ball keeps moving. The rest of the team will be more confident in saying no to Melo and moving the ball or taking the shot themselves.

Lets remember how things went in the start of the 54 win season when everyone was involved. That can be the permanent state of this team if the rest of the players are confident in their ability to get things done themselves.

misterearl
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2/28/2015  12:54 PM
nixluva - what eveidence are you basing this opinion on? It would be great if you could offer some observation that can forward your theory, rather than tinting reality with your hopefulness.

The 54 win team had a coach who allowed the players freedom. The 54 win team also had Jason Kidd.

The system did not create Michael Jordan or Kobe.

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2/28/2015  1:05 PM
So how do you trade a max player with a no trade clause? Seems that ship has sailed. I was watching a classic game from 96, Super Sonics vs Bulls. Having a player that can draw double teams is a big part of the Triangle's role player effectiveness.
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2/28/2015  1:09 PM
Rookie wrote:So how do you trade a max player with a no trade clause? Seems that ship has sailed. I was watching a classic game from 96, Super Sonics vs Bulls. Having a player that can draw double teams and make great passes is a big part of the Triangle's role player effectiveness.

I think you need to add that above.
You're right about the difficulties of trading him.
It's even harder to trade a max player with a no trade clause when he's on crutches!
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2/28/2015  1:12 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Rookie wrote:So how do you trade a max player with a no trade clause? Seems that ship has sailed. I was watching a classic game from 96, Super Sonics vs Bulls. Having a player that can draw double teams and make great passes is a big part of the Triangle's role player effectiveness.

I think you need to add that above.
You're right about the difficulties of trading him.
It's even harder to trade a max player with a no trade clause when he's on crutches!

yes, thanks for the fix

nixluva
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2/28/2015  1:18 PM
misterearl wrote:nixluva - what eveidence are you basing this opinion on? It would be great if you could offer some observation that can forward your theory, rather than tinting reality with your hopefulness.

The 54 win team had a coach who allowed the players freedom. The 54 win team also had Jason Kidd.

The system did not create Michael Jordan or Kobe.


Woody didn't allow the team freedom. He just lucked into a situation that injuries and then Kidd created. Later in the year and in the playoffs Woody went right back to his ISO ball and over reliance on his star player like he did with Joe Johnson and then Melo. In the beginning of that 54 win season the entire team was involved and they were not totally relying on Melo. There's nothing preventing the Knicks from doing the same.

This system allowed the teammates of Micheal and Kobe to be more involved!!! This is a system that keeps everyone involved and as they gain more confidence in their abilities they will be more aggressive when they have the open scoring opportunity. There's literally nothing preventing the rest of the players on this team from running the system and playing team ball. Melo plays on the weak side away from the Triangle and that means that he's not the very 1st option in the offense. They don't have to always swing the ball to his side. There should be a natural balance to how the ball moves and I think there will be.

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2/28/2015  1:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2015  1:29 PM
misterearl wrote:nixluva - what eveidence are you basing this opinion on? It would be great if you could offer some observation that can forward your theory, rather than tinting reality with your hopefulness.

The 54 win team had a coach who allowed the players freedom. The 54 win team also had Jason Kidd.

The system did not create Michael Jordan or Kobe.

What evidence do you have that anyone else wants to come here...We are lucky that Melo stayed...Every one shouts the Knicks/Yankees in contract negotiation because they know we will spend to scare their other suitors...We don't have the luxury to pick and choose at the moment...We have to throw silly money at people to come here..Phil, Melo, Fisher, Houston, Amare etc...Media and fans scare away players...Look at Duncan and KD during all star weekend in NYC, the media blowups...And these are media darlings..

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3/3/2015  1:52 PM
nixluva wrote:
misterearl wrote:nixluva - what eveidence are you basing this opinion on? It would be great if you could offer some observation that can forward your theory, rather than tinting reality with your hopefulness.

The 54 win team had a coach who allowed the players freedom. The 54 win team also had Jason Kidd.

The system did not create Michael Jordan or Kobe.


Woody didn't allow the team freedom. He just lucked into a situation that injuries and then Kidd created. Later in the year and in the playoffs Woody went right back to his ISO ball and over reliance on his star player like he did with Joe Johnson and then Melo. In the beginning of that 54 win season the entire team was involved and they were not totally relying on Melo. There's nothing preventing the Knicks from doing the same.

This system allowed the teammates of Micheal and Kobe to be more involved!!! This is a system that keeps everyone involved and as they gain more confidence in their abilities they will be more aggressive when they have the open scoring opportunity. There's literally nothing preventing the rest of the players on this team from running the system and playing team ball. Melo plays on the weak side away from the Triangle and that means that he's not the very 1st option in the offense. They don't have to always swing the ball to his side. There should be a natural balance to how the ball moves and I think there will be.

Another thread in the neverending saga of Melo the Evil One.

"The game has always been about buckets" - Bill Russell.

In the despair of a 12 win season, we can so easily submit to the outlook that dreams of things like The Moz and flashes of brilliance from 10 day contract people are the wave of the future. Recent history tells us this is not the case.

The Knicks are Melo for the foreseeable future, unless and until we sign or steal someone of greater stature. That's not likely to happen.

We have seen Melo win. The 54 win season was, in the end, more despite the sadly diminished talents of Kidd and Rashweed than it was because of them.
Melo and his money are here to stay. At least for the next 5 years.

No trade clause. Say it with me.

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3/3/2015  2:07 PM
misterearl wrote:This is not personal. Nor is it up for debate. It is painfully obvious that in order to build a new team, the Knicks must free themselves from the heavy-hand ego of a player who believes with every fibre of his being that his scoring is the key to success.

He is a fierce competitor. He is a warrior who plays while hurting. However, he not the answer to playing consistent defense or hitting the open man

No more solo stars.

"the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few."

Melo gets his chance like everyone else. We will eventually see if he's part of the problem or part of the solution. Hard to eval that now yea?

What does everyone's fav player have to say about it?

Most interestingly, Galloway called Carmelo Anthony "unselfish" when asked to describe him, saying that he likes to help the young guys. Galloway also admitted that he's working more on his point guard skills, and that he can "definitely" craft a future as an NBA point guard.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nba/2423/langston-galloway

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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3/3/2015  2:18 PM
misterearl wrote:This is not personal. Nor is it up for debate. It is painfully obvious that in order to build a new team, the Knicks must free themselves from the heavy-hand ego of a player who believes with every fibre of his being that his scoring is the key to success.

He is a fierce competitor. He is a warrior who plays while hurting. However, he not the answer to playing consistent defense or hitting the open man

No more solo stars.

"the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few."

Besides Leonard Nimoy passing in the last week and had surgery two weeks ago, what bought on this great epiphany?

Maybe Spock would approve that even on allstar player is a good place to start. We have but one flower rostered:

When Spock was told of Phil's hiring:

Spock was asked about Jim Dolans E-mail to a critical fan.....

Spock was asked about ball movement when the Triangle is implimented:

Spock comments on why JR and Shump were sent to Cleveland:

"Minority of fans don't like Melo, but based on reality seems he has a big following" To which Spock replied:

fishmike
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3/3/2015  2:37 PM
hahaha... Nalod is the anti-Splat (or vise versa)

Brilliant work

simply awesome

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Even Spock Knows the Knicks Must Move On Without Melo

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