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if you are toronto arent you going to take arajuo?
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BRIGGS
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6/19/2004  11:06 PM
they need a big man who can play right now alongside bosh in the middle. you put arajuo in there, then you have a line up of
C Arajuo 6-11 285
PF Bosh 7-0 230
SF Marshall 6-9 235
SG Carter 6-6 225
PG Rose 6-8 220

thats not a bad squad as long as they do some things to their depth. but they need a big man in the draft IMHO a real BIg man. arajuo sounds about right at 8 with Toronto.
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6/20/2004  12:11 AM
I don't understand why are you so high on Araujo. He does not even put that outstanding numbers in college. Picking him as high as 8 is a very very big reach. Also, Rose at PG does not really work well other then for just certain streches in games. The Raptors would be essentially playing without a real pointguard, and relying for a so so rook to to deliver. That doesn not bode well for them the way I see it.
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6/20/2004  12:25 AM
its a simple deduction. you cannot win without a true big man. toronto struggled with size all last year what makes more sense than drafting the best available C? Arajuo is a very good big player who could have top 10 strength in the entire NBA. As for college 18.5 pts and 10 reb in 30 min shooting 57% is pretty darn good, about as good as it gets these days. this is a tough hombre with a good deal of skill at 6-11 285 there arent to many of those walking around to me its worth pick 8.
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6/20/2004  12:32 PM
Arajuo reminds me of Todd MacCullouch. He's gonna be solid but I'd wait till the teens. Utah will pick him.
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6/20/2004  2:58 PM
I think Raptors are gonna take Gordon or Podkolzine. Arajou will be a Celtic or a Jazz
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6/20/2004  3:05 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

As for college 18.5 pts and 10 reb in 30 min shooting 57% is pretty darn good.

Those are very good college numbers. I can see the Raptors going big with Arajuo or Podkolzine depending on their workouts....or going with a point guard. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't think Rose or Williams is the answer for them at the point...and looking at their draft workouts it seems like they have had all of the lottery point guards in for a workout as well as Arajuo.
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6/20/2004  6:24 PM
Posted by MX25:

I think Raptors are gonna take Gordon or Podkolzine. Arajou will be a Celtic or a Jazz









Yea if the Raptors are gonna get a big guy with their pick then they will most likely try to get Pavel. I doubt the Arajou goes as high as the 8th pick.
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6/20/2004  7:37 PM
big difference between arajuo and pavel. pavel has never proven he can play against any competition 5-5 full court and put up numbers. individual workouts are much different that game conditions. arajuo is a 6-11 285 pound skilled C who is also a very tough hombre. the raptors spent a high pick on a 7-4 C just a few years ago and like fred weiss the guy never materialized. Arajuo is worth the 8th pick, just like Sweetney was worth pick 9 because hes proven commodity with much less risk.
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6/20/2004  8:04 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

big difference between arajuo and pavel. pavel has never proven he can play against any competition 5-5 full court and put up numbers. individual workouts are much different that game conditions. arajuo is a 6-11 285 pound skilled C who is also a very tough hombre. the raptors spent a high pick on a 7-4 C just a few years ago and like fred weiss the guy never materialized. Arajuo is worth the 8th pick, just like Sweetney was worth pick 9 because hes proven commodity with much less risk.










Yea but many are saying that Pavel will most likely be the first Center to go in the draft. Plus, Pavel played very well in the Big Men camp in Europe. I'm not saying Arajou is not as good as Pavel or anything, but I highly doubt that he cracks the top 10 in the draft. Arajou is one of those players who you know can step right in and become a decent center (nothing wrong with that at all), Pavel however, has the potential to become a great center and I think thats why many have him ranked in front of Arajou. If Pavel drops to 8, I doubt the Raptors pick any other center than Pavel.
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6/20/2004  8:10 PM
i think araujo is going to end up in seattle. in fact, seattle may be a team to watch. if they draft araujo and then make the deal for kmart, that gives them a young and strong frontline of kmart, araujo, and collison with rashard at the wing.

briggs - you're right, toronto should take araujo since they have players that can ball at all the other positions but i think they're going to buy into the hype and take pavel (which would be a mistake).

i'm not too familiar with araujo but from what i saw in the tournament, he reminds me somewhat of a tsakalidis but will probably put up better numbers.
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6/20/2004  8:14 PM
If I was Toronto I would probably trade down and take Arajou at pick 15 or w/e. I'm hearing the Celtics would like to move up so maybe Toronto could make a trade with them (Boston has 15th pick). However, I just don't see them taking Arajou over Pavel for the reasons I stated before. Arajou would most likely be a better fit for them.

[Edited by - s3231 on 06/20/2004 20:17:46]
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6/20/2004  9:14 PM
1 more thing...I was reading Arajuo scouting report. And they say his defense could be shaky. Since he's very slow moving side to side and a slow jumper. He gets good position but since he jumps very slow. Guys go over him to get rebounds.
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6/20/2004  9:28 PM
you dont need to jump 9 miles in the air at 6-11 285. does bard miller jump 9 miles? is brad miller fast? this guy is a more muscular version of brad miller. toronto needs size and this guy is the best bet on the board minus the risk. when you walk out of a draft 4 years ago with nothing picking a 7-4 C--you really cant afford risk like that again. to me, pavel represnts HUGE risk while arajuo has proven he can play full court against very good competition. if he can come in and give them 14 points and 10 rebounds and clog the lane, that team has a bunch of solid players with size and length who could be real good.
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6/20/2004  10:13 PM
There is absolutley no way a rook center of Arajuo's talent level would come in and average 14 and 10. That's pipedream for Raptor fans. Arajuo will need some time to develop into those numbers if he ever be able to even put those up. Down the road he might, but not his rook year. As for Brad Miller, he is fast for his position, and is extremely smart bball wise. He is also a decent leaper for a 7 footer, no way is he landlocked like, say KT. And Brad Miller took some years to develop into what he is today. Skilled guys can't just come in and look polished on the next level. They of all types need some time to use there smarts and fundamentals to adopt to the NBA game. Arajuo might be a very solid C down the road, in a season or two, but not right away. Personally, I think Pavel will be a bust, these 7 4 guys never work out, Yao being the only exception. If you want a center who might help right away, I'd go with David Harison. A good old American 7 footer with athletic ability, etc.
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6/21/2004  9:18 AM
It'll be tough for Okafor to come in and get 14 and 10 his rookie year, much less Arajuo.
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6/24/2004  8:16 PM
Good Call Briggs!
if you are toronto arent you going to take arajuo?

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