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EnySpree
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2/24/2015  9:58 AM
#1 we get the top pick and get okafor

#2 dragic burns Miami and signs with the Knicks making them lose 2 first round draft picks for nothing! Woooo!

#3 Wesley Matthews signs with the Knicks

#4 Melo is back and is like new

#5 we sign or make a trade for an under the radar power fwd


We bring back lou amundson, lance thomas, galloway...we call up Thanasis. Bargnani signs back to a cheap deal.


C: Okafor
pf:Brandon Bass/Carlos Boozer type
sf:melo
sg:Wesley Matthews
pg:dragic

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What is yours?

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2/24/2015  10:24 AM
The only use I have for Bargs is if we bring in Sweetney and Tractor Trailer and we need to feed them. You two... go eat the Italian
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2/24/2015  10:26 AM
fishmike wrote:The only use I have for Bargs is if we bring in Sweetney and Tractor Trailer and we need to feed them. You two... go eat the Italian

Why you hate Jerome James so much?

fishmike
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2/24/2015  10:28 AM
all kidding aside this could be a pretty epic offseason, or it could simple be the first of several 'solid' ones. Who knows. This is the year Phil establishes what the next few years are going to be like. Its a biggie
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Knixkik
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2/24/2015  11:04 AM
Dream realistic offseason is:

C Okafor
PF Millsap
SF Anthony
SG Matthews
PG Calderon/Galloway

BRIGGS
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2/24/2015  11:53 AM
Knixkik wrote:Dream realistic offseason is:

C Okafor
PF Millsap
SF Anthony
SG Matthews
PG Calderon/Galloway

A few points

ANY team thats starts Calderon at PG will not be winning more than 43 games at MOST. Lets remember hes also getting older and slower each year now.

We DO NOT want to burn our 30mm in 1 year--its patently absurd WITH the exception that LBJ signed here.

In your scenario our defense is just going to sck eggs. I mean sck. You didnt show me your 2nd unit either. Okafor doesnt play good college D Millsap would be good with towns(perhaps) but ONLy at the right price which I might not even pay.

Wes Matthews is a good player but I would NOT pay his asking price which should be north of 11mm just no way would I pay that.

That entire team has 0 ZILCH NONE nada athletic ability very limited length and you just took us out of ANY possibility of going after KD

Everyone has a fair right of envisioning a better team BUT if we are narrow-minded and shoot our load we will end up crying for many years.

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2/24/2015  12:02 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Dream realistic offseason is:

C Okafor
PF Millsap
SF Anthony
SG Matthews
PG Calderon/Galloway

A few points

ANY team thats starts Calderon at PG will not be winning more than 43 games at MOST. Lets remember hes also getting older and slower each year now.

We DO NOT want to burn our 30mm in 1 year--its patently absurd WITH the exception that LBJ signed here.

In your scenario our defense is just going to sck eggs. I mean sck. You didnt show me your 2nd unit either. Okafor doesnt play good college D Millsap would be good with towns(perhaps) but ONLy at the right price which I might not even pay.

Wes Matthews is a good player but I would NOT pay his asking price which should be north of 11mm just no way would I pay that.

That entire team has 0 ZILCH NONE nada athletic ability very limited length and you just took us out of ANY possibility of going after KD

Everyone has a fair right of envisioning a better team BUT if we are narrow-minded and shoot our load we will end up crying for many years.

I have Calderon and Galloway splitting time for now until we can address the PG situation down the road. Can't do it all at once. Millsap is a good defender, as is Matthews. Would love an elite defender next to Okafor, but defense will be fine. Also, we should still have enough room for a max free agent the following summer. I am simply adding 2 players who fit the system and fit alongside Melo and are 2-way player. Also adding the top draft choice. I think a more realistic option is us not landing the top pick (75% chance at best of not landing it) and drafting Towns and signing Monroe. Would still love Millsap over Monroe, but i will take either. As far as SG, i'm very confident we add either Matthews or Danny Green, but will have to pay well of course. While this isn't the most athletic looking team, its a team of players that fits in the system and should be improved.

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2/24/2015  12:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2015  12:10 PM
C Towns
PF Monroe
SF Melo
SG Butler, Matthews, Green or McDaniels
PG Knight, Bledsoe, Lin, Beverly or Joseph
FistOfOakley
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2/24/2015  12:04 PM
give me a lineup of...

C Towns
PF Lavoy Allen
SF Anthony
SG kj mcdaniels
PG Cory Joseph/delon wright

with 20mm to spare in 2016... i'm doing cartwheels...

fishmike
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2/24/2015  12:17 PM
Knixkik wrote:Dream realistic offseason is:

C Okafor
PF Millsap
SF Anthony
SG Matthews
PG Calderon/Galloway

Milsap is a little old for my taste... but yes to Matthews.

But yea... there are a few (far reaching as they may be) scenarios which catapult the Knicks to contention. To me the most likely "dream" scenario is this:

C OK4
PF Aldridge (max)
SF Melo (healthy)
SG Mathews (4 years $45mm)
PG Jose

Bench: Galloway, THjr, Wear, etc etc

Yea we overpay for the Portland guys, but if we get OK4 the ultimate stretch 4 is Aldridge. He would be shooting open Js all day long. Suddenly Jose and his shooting looks pretty good and our size up front would help his defensive liabilities.

Prob a pipe dream but the pieces are there. Starts with winning the OK4 sweepstakes

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BigRedDog
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2/24/2015  12:26 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:give me a lineup of...

C Towns
PF Lavoy Allen
SF Anthony
SG kj mcdaniels
PG Cory Joseph/delon wright

with 20mm to spare in 2016... i'm doing cartwheels...

Lavoy allen is NOT a starting PF in the NBA. He will get destroyed

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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2/24/2015  12:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2015  12:30 PM
One thing about Aldridge is he will be 30. It would be classic Knicks if they max him and he starts to slow/break down. Guys like Matthews are fine is they don't require the max
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2/24/2015  12:34 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Dream realistic offseason is:

C Okafor
PF Millsap
SF Anthony
SG Matthews
PG Calderon/Galloway

A few points

ANY team thats starts Calderon at PG will not be winning more than 43 games at MOST. Lets remember hes also getting older and slower each year now.

We DO NOT want to burn our 30mm in 1 year--its patently absurd WITH the exception that LBJ signed here.

In your scenario our defense is just going to sck eggs. I mean sck. You didnt show me your 2nd unit either. Okafor doesnt play good college D Millsap would be good with towns(perhaps) but ONLy at the right price which I might not even pay.

Wes Matthews is a good player but I would NOT pay his asking price which should be north of 11mm just no way would I pay that.

That entire team has 0 ZILCH NONE nada athletic ability very limited length and you just took us out of ANY possibility of going after KD

Everyone has a fair right of envisioning a better team BUT if we are narrow-minded and shoot our load we will end up crying for many years.

Jose started 80 games for a 50 win Dallas team last year. He's not nearly as bad as you think. He needs to do what he's good at which is shooting and creating space. He's been exposed here. He needs to be protected where that shooting can stick.

As for spending the $30mm in one spot.. Honestly Briggs I see this as 4 year stretch. Please dont let opportunity to pass you because of 2% chance to sign Durant. Please. Build a good team, yes you will have to overspend but look at the timing... all your 4 year guys will expire when Melo does, so...

1) draft a franchise player
2) spend to build up the base and fill the roster with quality
3) build not only the player base but the underside of the roster. Use the draft, use international, find the undrafted gems
4) in 4 years (after some good ball) Melo and everyone else you overpaid for this year are off the books
5) 4 years of playoffs

The thought of missing out on chances to have cap space for Durant is as Dolan as it gets. Look at Atl... you can do this with GOOD players. Some we will have to overpay for, some we will find cheap. Need to execute on every avenue.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
FistOfOakley
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2/24/2015  12:34 PM
he's pretty good in a 20-25 minute role... he's a solid defender and he would actually be a pretty awesome pair with a guy like ok4 also... he's limited of course... and i wouldn't give him 35minutes a game myself either unless he expanded his offensive game... i also like amir johnson...

these guys aren't major names.. they are just pretty good players that are young and shouldn't go over 18 mm/yr combined and probably not over 15mm...

that lineup will probably be a top 5 defense... offense probably in the 15s dependent on melo and if kj works on his shot...

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2/24/2015  12:36 PM
gunsnewing wrote:One thing about Aldridge is he will be 30. It would be classic Knicks if they max him and he starts to slow/break down. Guys like Matthews are fine is they don't require the max
I agree and feel that way about Milsap. The one guy that would make me change that is OK4, because Aldridge would be the perfect stretch 4. We could move Lamarcus away from the hoop a bit and OK4 is a load down there... and I think if we had OK4 he would seriously consider coming here
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2/24/2015  12:40 PM
how do you stop anyone with ok4 and aldridge and melo in the frontcourt?
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2/24/2015  12:44 PM
fishmike wrote:The only use I have for Bargs is if we bring in Sweetney and Tractor Trailer and we need to feed them. You two... go eat the Italian

Didn't tractor trail or pass away. I think we should let him RIP.

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2/24/2015  12:45 PM
EnySpree wrote:#1 we get the top pick and get okafor

#2 dragic burns Miami and signs with the Knicks making them lose 2 first round draft picks for nothing! Woooo!

#3 Wesley Matthews signs with the Knicks

#4 Melo is back and is like new

#5 we sign or make a trade for an under the radar power fwd


We bring back lou amundson, lance thomas, galloway...we call up Thanasis. Bargnani signs back to a cheap deal.


C: Okafor
pf:Brandon Bass/Carlos Boozer type
sf:melo
sg:Wesley Matthews
pg:dragic

--------

This is only one dream sequence....I have so many.

What is yours?

I like that I would add Larry Sanders to play PF.

newyorker4ever
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2/24/2015  12:46 PM
EnySpree wrote:#1 we get the top pick and get okafor

#2 dragic burns Miami and signs with the Knicks making them lose 2 first round draft picks for nothing! Woooo!

#3 Wesley Matthews signs with the Knicks

#4 Melo is back and is like new

#5 we sign or make a trade for an under the radar power fwd


We bring back lou amundson, lance thomas, galloway...we call up Thanasis. Bargnani signs back to a cheap deal.


C: Okafor
pf:Brandon Bass/Carlos Boozer type
sf:melo
sg:Wesley Matthews
pg:dragic

--------

This is only one dream sequence....I have so many.

What is yours?


My dream scenario is.
G.Dragic
W.Mathews
C.Anthony
Dray Green
J.Okafor


D.Russell
W.Mathews
C.Anthony
P.Milsap
M.Gasol

Which would you choose out of those two if you had that choice??

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2/24/2015  12:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2015  12:56 PM
I've posted a few threads where I tried putting together 15-man rosters for next year using the draft and FA.

Just to keep it simple -- the top of my wish list hasn't changed. First off, our off-season will have to involve Phil talking to many different players at once -- I want plan B, C, D, E and F all ready to go at a moments notice. Depending on what we do in the draft (where we could go 3 ways: we draft a lead guard, one of the top-rated big-men --OR-- we very well could trade down from 3 or lower for max value--say a PG like Jerian Grant + a big man like Frank Kaminsky. Something like that), that'll govern what we do in FA. My top targets haven't really changed despite getting traded at the deadline -- if we drafted a lead guard 1 or 2, I'd throwing a max contract offer at Enes Kanter. If we draft Okafor or Towns 1-2, max contract off for PG Brandon Knight. All I would ask either guy for is a quick decision -- while I had either of those offers out, I'd be exploring deals simultaneously with the next tier of FAs but Kanter or Knight is my plan A. Plans B, C on down will require more thought but there's quite a few ways we could go.

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