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EnySpree
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2/22/2015  5:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2015  5:24 PM
Why is there so much hostility surrounding the team this year?

We've seen way worse! I just don't get it.....

From day one we all knew every single player on the roster was not going to be here in 2015.... so why is there so much anger about or record? Phil got rid of all the complainers, trouble makers and underachievers....

right now we have a skeleton roster.... everything is setting up the draft and free agency. We're going to get a top 4 pick. We can sign whoever wants to come here.

We have a coach in place. We're running a system that players can see what we're trying to do here. So there's no guessing game.

Why so hostile and angry? I just don't get it. The sky is the limit in my opinion. We're set up to do nothing but improve no matter what happens.

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2/22/2015  5:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2015  5:26 PM
Because our fans are passionate and want the team to do well. Im sorry but being an extreme optimist doesnt mean you are a better fan or more loyal
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2/22/2015  6:08 PM
Trade value.

But I'm not one of those who have no faith in Phil but some of the criticisms are fair. He really has zero experience doing this. But being who he is you expect him to turn this around eventually. We can only hope for the best.

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2/22/2015  6:13 PM
I have faith in phil but he is inexperienced as a gm. Dolan on the other hand is the real dark cloud
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2/22/2015  6:17 PM
My only problem with Phil is the hiring of Fisher; mainly because has. Ever coached at any level. It is a disrespect to ofer a coaching job to this dude while knowing that he has never coached before. Yes Kidd saw some success in his first year, but I would never compare fisher's acumen to Kidd. Last I check l, Kidd was always know. As a maestro on the court since way back when he was in college.
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/22/2015  6:18 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Because our fans are passionate and want the team to do well. Im sorry but being an extreme optimist doesnt mean you are a better fan or more loyal

What I said in the first post isn't being an extreme optimist. It's the reality of our situation.

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2/22/2015  6:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2015  6:25 PM
EnySpree wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Because our fans are passionate and want the team to do well. Im sorry but being an extreme optimist doesnt mean you are a better fan or more loyal

What I said in the first post isn't being an extreme optimist. It's the reality of our situation.

here is what im trying to say. We all want to win. We all are excited to have a lottery pick and cap space. BUT we cant assume everything will go smoothly until after the offseason. In my opinion we need to lock up a top 3 pick which depends on how we finish and how the lottery goes. Secondly cap space is very good but doesnt guarantee we will hit a honerun. Remember back in 2010 we had loads of cap room and missed out. I considered amare the 5th best free agent in that class. So im not saying the same will happen to us but we gotta keep an open mind
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2/22/2015  6:25 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:I have faith in phil but he is inexperienced as a gm. Dolan on the other hand is the real dark cloud

Phil never did it....ok. So can be get a chance to try?

He inherited a lottery team capped out with no tradable assets....what could he do with that?

Now he's setting up a top pick and cap space.... let's see what he can do with that

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2/22/2015  6:27 PM
EnySpree wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I have faith in phil but he is inexperienced as a gm. Dolan on the other hand is the real dark cloud

Phil never did it....ok. So can be get a chance to try?

He inherited a lottery team capped out with no tradable assets....what could he do with that?

Now he's setting up a top pick and cap space.... let's see what he can do with that

gotta read carefully. I have been pro phil more than anyone. All i said is that he is inexperienced, i never said he cant do it.
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2/22/2015  6:39 PM
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EnySpree wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Because our fans are passionate and want the team to do well. Im sorry but being an extreme optimist doesnt mean you are a better fan or more loyal

What I said in the first post isn't being an extreme optimist. It's the reality of our situation.

here is what im trying to say. We all want to win. We all are excited to have a lottery pick and cap space. BUT we cant assume everything will go smoothly until after the offseason. In my opinion we need to lock up a top 3 pick which depends on how we finish and how the lottery goes. Secondly cap space is very good but doesnt guarantee we will hit a honerun. Remember back in 2010 we had loads of cap room and missed out. I considered amare the 5th best free agent in that class. So im not saying the same will happen to us but we gotta keep an open mind

We're guaranteed a top 4 the way the rules are set up. That's good enough. Any of The top 4 prospects will help us.

we also had cap space and signed Houston and Childs way back when. Childs was a reach and so was Houston to an extent. So is happened at least twice that I can remember.

It's better than being capped out with no pick. At least we are healthy going forward. We could make something happen at any time now. We just have to get through this season and we're good

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2/22/2015  6:43 PM
EnySpree wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Because our fans are passionate and want the team to do well. Im sorry but being an extreme optimist doesnt mean you are a better fan or more loyal

What I said in the first post isn't being an extreme optimist. It's the reality of our situation.

here is what im trying to say. We all want to win. We all are excited to have a lottery pick and cap space. BUT we cant assume everything will go smoothly until after the offseason. In my opinion we need to lock up a top 3 pick which depends on how we finish and how the lottery goes. Secondly cap space is very good but doesnt guarantee we will hit a honerun. Remember back in 2010 we had loads of cap room and missed out. I considered amare the 5th best free agent in that class. So im not saying the same will happen to us but we gotta keep an open mind

We're guaranteed a top 4 the way the rules are set up. That's good enough. Any of The top 4 prospects will help us.

we also had cap space and signed Houston and Childs way back when. Childs was a reach and so was Houston to an extent. So is happened at least twice that I can remember.

It's better than being capped out with no pick. At least we are healthy going forward. We could make something happen at any time now. We just have to get through this season and we're good

enyspree im not asking you to be negative or to not have confidence in getting better. Despite what you think i actually have confidence going forward. My point is that there also needs to be a backup plan just in case something doesnt work out
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2/22/2015  6:52 PM
StarksEwing1

I'm not attacking you at all so don't take it like that. I'm just speaking on our situation is all.

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2/22/2015  6:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2015  6:59 PM
EnySpree wrote:StarksEwing1

I'm not attacking you at all so don't take it like that. I'm just speaking on our situation is all.

i wasnt accusing you of that. However i know how difficult it is to be critical of the knicks, its tough for me as well. Hopefully everything goes well this summer
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2/22/2015  7:01 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Because our fans are passionate and want the team to do well. Im sorry but being an extreme optimist doesnt mean you are a better fan or more loyal

What I said in the first post isn't being an extreme optimist. It's the reality of our situation.

here is what im trying to say. We all want to win. We all are excited to have a lottery pick and cap space. BUT we cant assume everything will go smoothly until after the offseason. In my opinion we need to lock up a top 3 pick which depends on how we finish and how the lottery goes. Secondly cap space is very good but doesnt guarantee we will hit a honerun. Remember back in 2010 we had loads of cap room and missed out. I considered amare the 5th best free agent in that class. So im not saying the same will happen to us but we gotta keep an open mind

We're guaranteed a top 4 the way the rules are set up. That's good enough. Any of The top 4 prospects will help us.

we also had cap space and signed Houston and Childs way back when. Childs was a reach and so was Houston to an extent. So is happened at least twice that I can remember.

It's better than being capped out with no pick. At least we are healthy going forward. We could make something happen at any time now. We just have to get through this season and we're good

enyspree im not asking you to be negative or to not have confidence in getting better. Despite what you think i actually have confidence going forward. My point is that there also needs to be a backup plan just in case something doesnt work out

Well the back up plan for the draft is this:

Draft okafor....oh he's taken? OK plan b, draft towns.... he's taken too? Aw man....ok then let's take D'Angelo Russell.... well damn he's gone too well I guess we'll have to settle for Emmanuel Mundiay, sigh....

the free agent period

....ring, ring, ring....

hello Marc Gasol this is.... hello? You there?

Hey LaMarcus this is Phil....no not Collins. Yeah I know but I didn't sing that. Yeah I....yes I'll hold

20 calls later....ok I guess we'll just wait to see what Durant is going to do in 2016...then Anthony Davis in 2017....etc

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2/22/2015  7:02 PM
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EnySpree wrote:StarksEwing1

I'm not attacking you at all so don't take it like that. I'm just speaking on our situation is all.

i wasnt accusing you of that. However i know how difficult it is to be critical of the knicks, its tough for me as well. Hopefully everything goes well this summer

Are we best friends?

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2/22/2015  7:03 PM
EnySpree wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:StarksEwing1

I'm not attacking you at all so don't take it like that. I'm just speaking on our situation is all.

i wasnt accusing you of that. However i know how difficult it is to be critical of the knicks, its tough for me as well. Hopefully everything goes well this summer

Are we best friends?

no
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2/22/2015  7:06 PM
The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

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2/22/2015  7:08 PM
knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure
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2/22/2015  7:12 PM
Phil is inexperienced? Um excuse me but WTF did Hinkie ever do that would make him superior to what Phil brings in terms of experience in the league? Before he got the Sixers job this is what he did in his entire career:

Following his graduation from Stanford, Hinkie joined the Houston Rockets in 2005 as a special assistant to general manager Carroll Dawson.[1][4] Hinkie was promoted to vice president in 2007, becoming the youngest vice president in the NBA; in that same year, Daryl Morey became the new Rockets general manager.[5] Hinkie was promoted to Executive Vice President in 2010.[3] In Houston, Hinkie promoted the use of advanced statistics in professional basketball while "second-in-command" to General Manager Daryl Morey, another widely known advocate of advanced basketball analytics.[6] While in Houston, Hinkie played a key role in acquiring future starting point guards Kyle Lowry and Patrick Beverley.[1]

Very impressive quick rise in his career but really what did he actually do? In comparison to Phil who despite what people think was very involved in player personnel decisions and player development over his 30+ years of coaching. I'm sorry but this trope about Phil never having done this before is overplayed. Sure there are some things he's learning but in terms of an overarching vision of how to put a winning team together i'll take Phil's knowledge any day. Seems to me that he would've learned quite a bit in his time watching and helping GM's build the teams he's coached and coached against.

IMO people are freaking lost if they think he has no idea about what he's doing. It's funny that all the armchair GM's can come up with plans and rosters and yet they think Phil can't figure out what he needs to do in order to put a winning team together. I'm sorry that things got off to such a bad start cuz all its done is bring out the Know it all Media types who couldn't wait for things to go wrong so they could jump on Phil and the Knicks.

We haven't even gotten to the end of his 1st full season and already there are threads about how impossible the task is and how we're screwed for years. Votes of No Confidence from fans are unreal. This is not to say that he's going to win a title, but can we at least let him put his team together? People are putting too much into the transition roster he put together at the start of this season. that was NEVER going to be his roster for 2015-16.

Here's the thing. If we can get a core piece in the draft it would be one of the most positive things for this franchise is more than a decade. We need to strike gold in the draft and that will set off the process from there on a good note. IMO as long as we stay in the top 4 we should be able to add an impact player. Until we get to the draft there's really no sense in going off about where the team is at this point. The player or players drafted will be part of the future of this team and set the tone and direction for Free Agency.

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2/22/2015  7:13 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure

Absolutely. Sometimes it's better to be a realist than to be jaded. the only reason why the team should improve is because right now it's the worst in Knicks history.
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