knicks1248 wrote:

“It was tough from a mental standpoint. You start second-guessing yourself and your talent to a certain point. So many guys thrived in that triangle, and you want to put yourself in that class. Not living up to it is kind of disappointing.’’
Asked the toughest part of mastering the Derek Fisher/Jackson system, Smith gave his most detailed complaint yet.
“The toughest thing is we didn’t run enough,’’ Smith said. “With the talent we had, there was no transition offense. It was bring the ball up, run our set and go from there. Everything is a read. So I may not be reading the same thing as the next person is reading. Before you know it, you got turnovers, missed shots and bad transition defense.’’
And you got Smith and Shumpert out the door in Jackson’s fire sale.
Cavaliers rookie coach Dave Blatt, longtime Israeli coaching stud, speaks of Smith and Shumpert as proudly as a father giving a speech on his son’s Bar Mitzvah Day.
“I have no idea on what happened in the past, but I can tell you one thing — J.R. Smith has been a dream for us,’’ Blatt said. “I love the guy. I love coaching him. He comes to work every single day. He’s a great teammate, playing both ends of the court.
“He’s one of the main reasons for our turnaround — together with Iman, who started later because of the injury. They’ve been a godsend for us. They’ve turned the team around.’’

I hope they torch the knicks and this stupid ass triangle system that were teaching players who have just 8 more wks as a knick players..

They weren't helping the Knicks even when there was no triangle. Just move on man you know why Cavs win there is a guy called LeBron on the team. Shump and Smith know they are followers at the moment. They are still feeling the shock of trade give them time and their true colors will come out pouty Shump and pot head JR will emerge.

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

“It was tough from a mental standpoint. You start second-guessing yourself and your talent to a certain point. So many guys thrived in that triangle, and you want to put yourself in that class. Not living up to it is kind of disappointing.’’
Asked the toughest part of mastering the Derek Fisher/Jackson system, Smith gave his most detailed complaint yet.
“The toughest thing is we didn’t run enough,’’ Smith said. “With the talent we had, there was no transition offense. It was bring the ball up, run our set and go from there. Everything is a read. So I may not be reading the same thing as the next person is reading. Before you know it, you got turnovers, missed shots and bad transition defense.’’
And you got Smith and Shumpert out the door in Jackson’s fire sale.
Cavaliers rookie coach Dave Blatt, longtime Israeli coaching stud, speaks of Smith and Shumpert as proudly as a father giving a speech on his son’s Bar Mitzvah Day.
“I have no idea on what happened in the past, but I can tell you one thing — J.R. Smith has been a dream for us,’’ Blatt said. “I love the guy. I love coaching him. He comes to work every single day. He’s a great teammate, playing both ends of the court.
“He’s one of the main reasons for our turnaround — together with Iman, who started later because of the injury. They’ve been a godsend for us. They’ve turned the team around.’’

I hope they torch the knicks and this stupid ass triangle system that were teaching players who have just 8 more wks as a knick players..

They weren't helping the Knicks even when there was no triangle. Just move on man you know why Cavs win there is a guy called LeBron on the team. Shump and Smith know they are followers at the moment. They are still feeling the shock of trade give them time and their true colors will come out pouty Shump and pot head JR will emerge.

wasn't JR 6th man of the year?

Oh, now he's gone suddenly you're a fan of his. Right.

knicks1248 wrote:

“It was tough from a mental standpoint. You start second-guessing yourself and your talent to a certain point. So many guys thrived in that triangle, and you want to put yourself in that class. Not living up to it is kind of disappointing.’’
Asked the toughest part of mastering the Derek Fisher/Jackson system, Smith gave his most detailed complaint yet.
“The toughest thing is we didn’t run enough,’’ Smith said. “With the talent we had, there was no transition offense. It was bring the ball up, run our set and go from there. Everything is a read. So I may not be reading the same thing as the next person is reading. Before you know it, you got turnovers, missed shots and bad transition defense.’’
And you got Smith and Shumpert out the door in Jackson’s fire sale.
Cavaliers rookie coach Dave Blatt, longtime Israeli coaching stud, speaks of Smith and Shumpert as proudly as a father giving a speech on his son’s Bar Mitzvah Day.
“I have no idea on what happened in the past, but I can tell you one thing — J.R. Smith has been a dream for us,’’ Blatt said. “I love the guy. I love coaching him. He comes to work every single day. He’s a great teammate, playing both ends of the court.
“He’s one of the main reasons for our turnaround — together with Iman, who started later because of the injury. They’ve been a godsend for us. They’ve turned the team around.’’

I hope they torch the knicks and this stupid ass triangle system that were teaching players who have just 8 more wks as a knick players..

Papabear Says

I agree

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

“It was tough from a mental standpoint. You start second-guessing yourself and your talent to a certain point. So many guys thrived in that triangle, and you want to put yourself in that class. Not living up to it is kind of disappointing.’’
Asked the toughest part of mastering the Derek Fisher/Jackson system, Smith gave his most detailed complaint yet.
“The toughest thing is we didn’t run enough,’’ Smith said. “With the talent we had, there was no transition offense. It was bring the ball up, run our set and go from there. Everything is a read. So I may not be reading the same thing as the next person is reading. Before you know it, you got turnovers, missed shots and bad transition defense.’’
And you got Smith and Shumpert out the door in Jackson’s fire sale.
Cavaliers rookie coach Dave Blatt, longtime Israeli coaching stud, speaks of Smith and Shumpert as proudly as a father giving a speech on his son’s Bar Mitzvah Day.
“I have no idea on what happened in the past, but I can tell you one thing — J.R. Smith has been a dream for us,’’ Blatt said. “I love the guy. I love coaching him. He comes to work every single day. He’s a great teammate, playing both ends of the court.
“He’s one of the main reasons for our turnaround — together with Iman, who started later because of the injury. They’ve been a godsend for us. They’ve turned the team around.’’

I hope they torch the knicks and this stupid ass triangle system that were teaching players who have just 8 more wks as a knick players..

Think you'll find Mosgov is the best thing to happen to the Cavs. Shump was gone this offseason, JR was clogging up $6mil of cap. Why are you so heart broken at their loss? You were probably blasting them for years when they were on the roster.

That triangle have a negative opinion on a lot of players.Players now are use to the run and gun.
I think Phil in a year or more will leave and Patrick Ewing will take over the team. Just watch and see. Phil was a great coach and so far bad GM

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

“It was tough from a mental standpoint. You start second-guessing yourself and your talent to a certain point. So many guys thrived in that triangle, and you want to put yourself in that class. Not living up to it is kind of disappointing.’’
Asked the toughest part of mastering the Derek Fisher/Jackson system, Smith gave his most detailed complaint yet.
“The toughest thing is we didn’t run enough,’’ Smith said. “With the talent we had, there was no transition offense. It was bring the ball up, run our set and go from there. Everything is a read. So I may not be reading the same thing as the next person is reading. Before you know it, you got turnovers, missed shots and bad transition defense.’’
And you got Smith and Shumpert out the door in Jackson’s fire sale.
Cavaliers rookie coach Dave Blatt, longtime Israeli coaching stud, speaks of Smith and Shumpert as proudly as a father giving a speech on his son’s Bar Mitzvah Day.
“I have no idea on what happened in the past, but I can tell you one thing — J.R. Smith has been a dream for us,’’ Blatt said. “I love the guy. I love coaching him. He comes to work every single day. He’s a great teammate, playing both ends of the court.
“He’s one of the main reasons for our turnaround — together with Iman, who started later because of the injury. They’ve been a godsend for us. They’ve turned the team around.’’

I hope they torch the knicks and this stupid ass triangle system that were teaching players who have just 8 more wks as a knick players..

They weren't helping the Knicks even when there was no triangle. Just move on man you know why Cavs win there is a guy called LeBron on the team. Shump and Smith know they are followers at the moment. They are still feeling the shock of trade give them time and their true colors will come out pouty Shump and pot head JR will emerge.

wasn't JR 6th man of the year?

Oh, now he's gone suddenly you're a fan of his. Right.

Funny I never said anything when JR got off to a good start in Cleveland yet I'm being accused of being a flip flopped by multiple people. I only believe in what I believe in. Huge fan of Mozgov & shump. Hate JR with that said he is in a good spot as their 4th option. Here was was #2 because all our capspace was tied up in Melo, amare & bargnani

I actually liked JR, but even I know he's exactly the same player with the Cavs as he was when he was here, literally the only difference is that that team is a winning team (and it ain't cos of him). Since he was traded he's gone on record as saying he partied too much in NY and didn't always put in the effort. And people (who used to blast him) now mourn for his loss!

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:So now we're defending the virtues of JR and Shump cuz they're on a better team? Here they were expected to actually carry more responsibility. On the Cavs they can move to lesser roles. Good for them that they are having success in Cleveland. That's no reason to trash what we're looking to do here. The Cavs have a complete team and we're rebuilding ours. Sounds stupid to go off on what we're doing and trying to compare situations. There's no comparison. We're in totally different stages of development.

Papabear Says

there is no way in the next 4 years we will build a team ready to compete for a championship. Mistake number 1 if you want to build the triangle and you know your player can't play in that system, you just play them in the system that they are good in and build up thier value and trade them for something instead of a bag of shells. A lot of players do not like the triangle because it hampers their skill set. These young guys today like the run and gun system. Good Luck with the triangle.

What do we care about players that don't want to play here? There will be players who want to play here and be part of a team. We have to continue the process of development and of course draft well and make smart decisions in Free Agency. I simply don't understand the Knicks fans who are so negative and pessimistic about our future. The team is finally doing things the right way. We're not just winging it anymore. We have a plan in place. Let's see this thru and not panic like a bunch of wishy washy ninnies.

nyk4ever wrote:the triangle has nothing to do with anything, the fact that people buy into the hype and blame is stupid. every team in the nba has an offensive system, the knicks just happens to be the triangle. the media hypes the **** out of the triangle and fans who don't know any better buy into what the media is saying. the spurs run a motion offense, you don't hear the media talking about the motion offense do you? the kings back in the day webber/bibby/jwill days played a princeton offense, you never heard the media talking about the kings and their princeton offense. this talk about the triangle is something to complain about and point towards as NOT WORKING, just because fans and media need to blame something. how about blaming the fact that we don't have any good players... YET. and no, jr and shump didn't qualify as good players either.

Don't say it nothing, it's something..Chandler was traded mostly because he didn't fit the system..We got back Calderon..Our coach isn't good but the only guy we could get to run the system...So it's something..

nyk4ever wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:the triangle has nothing to do with anything, the fact that people buy into the hype and blame is stupid. every team in the nba has an offensive system, the knicks just happens to be the triangle. the media hypes the **** out of the triangle and fans who don't know any better buy into what the media is saying. the spurs run a motion offense, you don't hear the media talking about the motion offense do you? the kings back in the day webber/bibby/jwill days played a princeton offense, you never heard the media talking about the kings and their princeton offense. this talk about the triangle is something to complain about and point towards as NOT WORKING, just because fans and media need to blame something. how about blaming the fact that we don't have any good players... YET. and no, jr and shump didn't qualify as good players either.

Don't say it nothing, it's something..Chandler was traded mostly because he didn't fit the system..We got back Calderon..Our coach isn't good but the only guy we could get to run the system...So it's something..

chandler was traded because he was malcontent last year

I am sure if his game suited the triangle he would still be here...But not really the point..The system dictated personnel and coach..We won 10 games this far..Its something..