My hope is the Knicks get a pick 1 or 2 but hopefully #1 and take Towns. I think it's possible to expand on draft success with all of thee big players if we can shift the pick from 2018 into this one and pay a premium for a high 2. I really believe we can change our frontline for the next 12 years in this draft with aggression luck and execution. We can be very laxed with our cap money if we can execute like this--if we bring in 6-11 6-11 6-9--maybe its best to have 1 more developmental year and see if we can rinse and repeat the same process into the backcourt. The bargs trade is just an absolute killer a killer to us at the top end in 2016. No shortcuts. If Melo comes back and hes great and hes healthy and hes playing well and he doesnt like it if were losing--then we trad e him for a maximum return.

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I hope the Knicks get the 2 pick if they pick Towns. I swear can you imagine the media uproar if they pick someone over Okafor? People are already pissed Phil couldn't rebuild the team in a year. Then passing on the next big offensive thing? Christ I wouldn't be able to listen to any sports radio for a freaking week.

No, they're pissed that he took a borderline .500 team and turned it into the worst in franchise history. It's true that we can get a very good draft pick now but they're worried that the historic level of incompetence Phil showed last off-season won't just disappear now.

All of our key players gave up on our team or were hurt. All of them are gone except Bargnani. Next year Phil will being in his guys. Then we'll see how it goes

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I hope the Knicks get the 2 pick if they pick Towns. I swear can you imagine the media uproar if they pick someone over Okafor? People are already pissed Phil couldn't rebuild the team in a year. Then passing on the next big offensive thing? Christ I wouldn't be able to listen to any sports radio for a freaking week.

No, they're pissed that he took a borderline .500 team and turned it into the worst in franchise history. It's true that we can get a very good draft pick now but they're worried that the historic level of incompetence Phil showed last off-season won't just disappear now.

There you go again with your imaginative use of numbers.

5th Jan we traded Shump and JR. Our record at that point (after 33 games) was 11-22. Our record this year after 33 games was 5-28, plus Melo was injured. 6 wins difference, big whoop!

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I hope the Knicks get the 2 pick if they pick Towns. I swear can you imagine the media uproar if they pick someone over Okafor? People are already pissed Phil couldn't rebuild the team in a year. Then passing on the next big offensive thing? Christ I wouldn't be able to listen to any sports radio for a freaking week.

No, they're pissed that he took a borderline .500 team and turned it into the worst in franchise history. It's true that we can get a very good draft pick now but they're worried that the historic level of incompetence Phil showed last off-season won't just disappear now.

There you go again with your imaginative use of numbers.

5th Jan we traded Shump and JR. Our record at that point (after 33 games) was 11-22. Our record this year after 33 games was 5-28, plus Melo was injured. 6 wins difference, big whoop!

karl towns is not duncan.... but he should have a great career... a bigger al horford is probably the best comparison ..

BRIGGS wrote:Karl Towns should be the Knicks number #1 pick. I don't need to see anything more from him Okafor Mudiay Russell or anyone else--if people have been watching CBB all year and watched today--that was the clincher---Towns is the best prospect and there is a decent margin to it.

My hope is the Knicks get a pick 1 or 2 but hopefully #1 and take Towns. I think it's possible to expand on draft success with all of thee big players if we can shift the pick from 2018 into this one and pay a premium for a high 2. I really believe we can change our frontline for the next 12 years in this draft with aggression luck and execution. We can be very laxed with our cap money if we can execute like this--if we bring in 6-11 6-11 6-9--maybe its best to have 1 more developmental year and see if we can rinse and repeat the same process into the backcourt. The bargs trade is just an absolute killer a killer to us at the top end in 2016. No shortcuts. If Melo comes back and hes great and hes healthy and hes playing well and he doesnt like it if were losing--then we trad e him for a maximum return.

When you, or anyone else, are making these evals....are you taking into consideration the match ups and the defensive strategies that other teams are taking when facing Towns or Okafor?

I ask this because when I watch Duke play, Okafor is getting doubled/tripled (I would guess) 80% of the time and he still manages to put up respectable numbers.
I don't see Towns getting doubled as much and playing next to Cauley-Stein, takes a huge load of his shoulders.

With that said, I think the Knicks will do fine with either player.

BRIGGS wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Karl Towns should be the Knicks number #1 pick. I don't need to see anything more from him Okafor Mudiay Russell or anyone else--if people have been watching CBB all year and watched today--that was the clincher---Towns is the best prospect and there is a decent margin to it.

My hope is the Knicks get a pick 1 or 2 but hopefully #1 and take Towns. I think it's possible to expand on draft success with all of thee big players if we can shift the pick from 2018 into this one and pay a premium for a high 2. I really believe we can change our frontline for the next 12 years in this draft with aggression luck and execution. We can be very laxed with our cap money if we can execute like this--if we bring in 6-11 6-11 6-9--maybe its best to have 1 more developmental year and see if we can rinse and repeat the same process into the backcourt. The bargs trade is just an absolute killer a killer to us at the top end in 2016. No shortcuts. If Melo comes back and hes great and hes healthy and hes playing well and he doesnt like it if were losing--then we trad e him for a maximum return.

When you, or anyone else, are making these evals....are you taking into consideration the match ups and the defensive strategies that other teams are taking when facing Towns or Okafor?

I ask this because when I watch Duke play, Okafor is getting doubled/tripled (I would guess) 80% of the time and he still manages to put up respectable numbers.
I don't see Towns getting doubled as much and playing next to Cauley-Stein, takes a huge load of his shoulders.

With that said, I think the Knicks will do fine with either player.

I agree with you and have said this several times. Karl Towns has not faced anywhere near the defensive pressure that Okafor has--not even close AND he has not contributed close to what Okafor has. That being said Towns who had been a little underwhelming to start the season despite immense talent for a 6-10 player seemed to pick it up opnce he was called out by his coach. Then when you just look at his play--his movements--his skills on both ends--atleast to me you see value that exceeds Okafor's in the total game. Perhaps Okafor is a 25 point scorer---hes got a chance. But I think Towns can have more benefit for a team with his shot blocking abilities to go along with his rebounding and offensive game. While you dont see it often--he has more diversity to his offensive game than Okafor--hes longer to the ball than Okafor. He can shoot from 12-16 feet spot up and shoot he can handle better--when he is intense he just seems to really show a complete game. Ive been watching these two all year. If I had pick 1 as of today I would not trade it I would just use it on Towns. Actually right now we dont want Towns to play big minutes anymore--Ive seen what I need to see. I saw they moved him up to #2 this weekend on DX from 4 and Im sure that multiple NBA teams may have him number 1 right now. Its IMPERATIVE IMPERATIVE for the Knicks to fall in last place to guarantee a top4 selection its paramount. It will give us nearly 50-50 odds of getting pick 1 or 2.

If Towns was playing 30+ minutes great. He's not. You have said it. Towns is still unproven. I hope if we get him you guys are right, and Im not saying your wrong, not saying that at all, but he has the option to hang back and play a role. Some games he scores, others he doesnt really bother to because they dont need that. He's on a roster with 2 other bigs. He's not asked to anchor the defense (Stein) or be the primary scorer (OK4)... so the we must draft this guy crowd is assuming his skills will translate into NBA play and thats not always the case.

I mean yea he looked like a beast in that last Auburn game... against a frontcourt of 6-7, 6-8 guys and KY is up 20+ at the half.

I understand the upside but based on the downside Im still sitting pretty easy w/ OK4 or Russell 1/2