BRIGGS wrote:and 5 2nd round picks.

Philly pick 1-2-3-4-5

IF La falls out of top 5

6-7-8

They have Miami's pick top 10 protected and if Oklahoma is better than 18--they get that pick as well.

so 11-12--13--14-15-16

Best case scenario for Philly

Picks 1 6 11 19 32 35 43 54 and 60 9 potential picks. and they added Mcgee and Cannan. They have a whole 6 roster spots committed to.

They should score wildly in this draft

Looking at one scenario

Pick #2 Deangelo Rusell PG/SG
Pick #6 Willie Stein C
Pick 11 Justice Winslow SF
Pick 19 Bobby Portis PF/C
Pick 32 Sam Decker F
Pick 35 Rakeem Christmas PF/C
Pick 43 Tyler Harvey(I found out they have been the lead in scouting him)PG/SG
Pick 54 Derrick Marks( another solid 2nd round sleeper)
Pick 60 Guillermo Hernangomez(draft and stash)

You'd get three 3 point shooters An entire athletic frontline with the PG who controls the game. Obviously this is just an example but this is what they yield with their sword.

I am assuming they want Russell bad.

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:and 5 2nd round picks.

Philly pick 1-2-3-4-5

IF La falls out of top 5

6-7-8

They have Miami's pick top 10 protected and if Oklahoma is better than 18--they get that pick as well.

so 11-12--13--14-15-16

Best case scenario for Philly

Picks 1 6 11 19 32 35 43 54 and 60 9 potential picks. and they added Mcgee and Cannan. They have a whole 6 roster spots committed to.

They should score wildly in this draft

Looking at one scenario

Pick #2 Deangelo Rusell PG/SG
Pick #6 Willie Stein C
Pick 11 Justice Winslow SF
Pick 19 Bobby Portis PF/C
Pick 32 Sam Decker F
Pick 35 Rakeem Christmas PF/C
Pick 43 Tyler Harvey(I found out they have been the lead in scouting him)PG/SG
Pick 54 Derrick Marks( another solid 2nd round sleeper)
Pick 60 Guillermo Hernangomez(draft and stash)

You'd get three 3 point shooters An entire athletic frontline with the PG who controls the game. Obviously this is just an example but this is what they yield with their sword.

I am assuming they want Russell bad.

Which would be something to think about if we have the number #1 position in the draft and they have the slots Briggs is projecting. Always love the Art of War for finding a quotable way to express something relating to warfare, and I would think that Philly should be a target if everything falls into place for us in terms of the draft order.

“Rouse him, and learn the principle of his activity or inactivity. Force him to reveal himself, so as to find out his vulnerable spots.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Jackson has to take a long look at getting two #1s from Philly. Find out who Philly really wants and make sure they are under the impression that we want the same player. If they are truly in love with Russell and they come to us because we are making them think we want him (as MDA did in talking up Curry). A few comments by Phil and Fisher after draft workouts should help a bit.

I would want the #2 & 6 from them. If not that, #2 & 11, 19, and if they refuse that #2, 19, and 32.

This all presumes that Russell IS NOT the guy we really want, but even if he is, I would consider trading for multiple #1's if we can get one of the bigs we want and other players who can help us retool.

This would also work if Minny is 1, NY2, and Philly 3, assuming Minny takes OK4 at #1.

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Hinkie is the smartest GM in the league because he has sold Philly on an unlimited rebuild lol. It doesn't matter who they take in this years draft because they will all be traded for future picks anyways.

you think that he is doing a bad job? Not sure what you are saying.

He's done a great job selling everyone on this plan. Taking the rebuild method to a new level. But whether it works or not is the big question. We know he's good at putting together a bad team but by trading MCW for a future pick, it looks like he's on a treadmill. If you aren't building around the players you are drafting, then what is the real plan? How many years until he actually establishes a core of young players to build around. After he established that core it will be another 3 years at least until it does anything. But he hasn't even got to that point. So when does he start to become accountable? How long is he allowed to trade his players for future assets and start to build a team? To answer your question I don't think he's doing a bad job, but it now is starting to look more like just juggling assets around and hope something eventually sticks, and I wouldn't have much faith in that type of plan. 2 years have gone by and nothing tangible on the basketball court to show yet. And by tangible I don't mean wins and loses. I mean players who actually look like they are part of the future of the team and are starting to contribute as such.

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Hinkie is the smartest GM in the league because he has sold Philly on an unlimited rebuild lol. It doesn't matter who they take in this years draft because they will all be traded for future picks anyways.

you think that he is doing a bad job? Not sure what you are saying.

He's done a great job selling everyone on this plan. Taking the rebuild method to a new level. But whether it works or not is the big question. We know he's good at putting together a bad team but by trading MCW for a future pick, it looks like he's on a treadmill. If you aren't building around the players you are drafting, then what is the real plan? How many years until he actually establishes a core of young players to build around. After he established that core it will be another 3 years at least until it does anything. But he hasn't even got to that point. So when does he start to become accountable? How long is he allowed to trade his players for future assets and start to build a team? To answer your question I don't think he's doing a bad job, but it now is starting to look more like just juggling assets around and hope something eventually sticks, and I wouldn't have much faith in that type of plan. 2 years have gone by and nothing tangible on the basketball court to show yet. And by tangible I don't mean wins and loses. I mean players who actually look like they are part of the future of the team and are starting to contribute as such.

fair assessment ... I would like to see how it pans out ...

what I can say is that if he gets hit by a bus tomorrow, did he put the next GM in a good position to succeed? His treasure chest is full so he did a good job compiling them, however, he does need to execute the plan and turn those assets into winning picks.

There is still work to do and he needs to close it out but he is certainly in the position to do so.

I agree with the philosophy of drafting and flipping until you hit the jackpot. You can only do that if you have numerous chances to do so.

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Hinkie is the smartest GM in the league because he has sold Philly on an unlimited rebuild lol. It doesn't matter who they take in this years draft because they will all be traded for future picks anyways.

you think that he is doing a bad job? Not sure what you are saying.

He's done a great job selling everyone on this plan. Taking the rebuild method to a new level. But whether it works or not is the big question. We know he's good at putting together a bad team but by trading MCW for a future pick, it looks like he's on a treadmill. If you aren't building around the players you are drafting, then what is the real plan? How many years until he actually establishes a core of young players to build around. After he established that core it will be another 3 years at least until it does anything. But he hasn't even got to that point. So when does he start to become accountable? How long is he allowed to trade his players for future assets and start to build a team? To answer your question I don't think he's doing a bad job, but it now is starting to look more like just juggling assets around and hope something eventually sticks, and I wouldn't have much faith in that type of plan. 2 years have gone by and nothing tangible on the basketball court to show yet. And by tangible I don't mean wins and loses. I mean players who actually look like they are part of the future of the team and are starting to contribute as such.

fair assessment ... I would like to see how it pans out ...

what I can say is that if he gets hit by a bus tomorrow, did he put the next GM in a good position to succeed? His treasure chest is full so he did a good job compiling them, however, he does need to execute the plan and turn those assets into winning picks.

There is still work to do and he needs to close it out but he is certainly in the position to do so.

I agree with the philosophy of drafting and flipping until you hit the jackpot. You can only do that if you have numerous chances to do so.

He definitely has his chances. Most GMs say give me 2 years and this thing will start to turn around. Hinkie says it might take 5 years maybe more but it will all be worth it just need to be patient. He's either going to get it right or punk philly management into the best job security for a losing team in sports history.

We'll see ... I bet on guys like him to have a better chance to succeed than a one and done starphucker chaser

WaltLongmire wrote:

Nalod wrote:If we have no. 1 pick how we gonna fool them into believing we want Russell????

Sun Tzu died a few thousand years ago, unfortunately, so I could not get more specific info from him on this particular case.

Do you think it's that difficult to bluff folks if we are at #1? OK4 has his detractors, and most of the other players deemed worthy of a top 5 pick have weaknesses of one sort or the other. Bigs seem to have a bigger bust potential, so Phil could play that card.

Maybe Phil actually does want Russell after he watches the NCAA tournament and conducts pre-draft workouts, or at least he is undecided. Russell has some good workouts, reinforcing Philly's belief that he is the chosen one, and Jackson goes mystical Zen with reporters and creates a seed of doubt about who we really want with the first pick in the draft.

Not saying it is easy to do, but Philly has some size at this point, and Mudiay has a limited track record against decent competition. If Russell is the missing piece for them, they might bite, especially if he has a decent tournament and wows teams in his workouts.

Worth trying... even if it doesn't work we would still have the #1 pick.

Hey Walt--who would you take number 1 right now--Okafor or Towns? or somebody else?

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Nalod wrote:If we have no. 1 pick how we gonna fool them into believing we want Russell????

Sun Tzu died a few thousand years ago, unfortunately, so I could not get more specific info from him on this particular case.

Do you think it's that difficult to bluff folks if we are at #1? OK4 has his detractors, and most of the other players deemed worthy of a top 5 pick have weaknesses of one sort or the other. Bigs seem to have a bigger bust potential, so Phil could play that card.

Maybe Phil actually does want Russell after he watches the NCAA tournament and conducts pre-draft workouts, or at least he is undecided. Russell has some good workouts, reinforcing Philly's belief that he is the chosen one, and Jackson goes mystical Zen with reporters and creates a seed of doubt about who we really want with the first pick in the draft.

Not saying it is easy to do, but Philly has some size at this point, and Mudiay has a limited track record against decent competition. If Russell is the missing piece for them, they might bite, especially if he has a decent tournament and wows teams in his workouts.

Worth trying... even if it doesn't work we would still have the #1 pick.

Hey Walt--who would you take number 1 right now--Okafor or Towns? or somebody else?

Don't know what I would do, yet.

Have not seen Towns enough, and he is not on the kind of team where he can get as much play as OK4, but he plays with Kentucky, and is undoubtedly more well rounded than we have seen so far.

Saw OK4 the other day. Unbelievable around the basket with the ball, uninspiring on D, although he did make some plays. Surprised he couldn't hit a foul shot. Showed toughness coming back from the injury, though. Not a bad passer. Has to learn that he is not a SF in the open court. Can he hit the midrange shot?

Tyus Jones is the gamer on that team, though- you can see something in his eyes.

Mostly clips of Russell and Mudiay, but Phil might like the larger multi-talented guard. Russell is less mature physically than Mudiay, and once he fils out he might be the special talent in this draft. Wish Mudiay had more of a track record.

If the Knicks go big, the guy has to be able to block some shots. Can OK4 do that? Years ago I thought that Duncan was soft and would have problems in the NBA. He got bigger after his college season, and had a bigger heart than I thought he had- so I'm hesitant to make predictions with OK4, who has a better body than Duncan at the same age, but has not shown tenacity on D.

If you trade #1 for #2 & #6 you could take OK4 at 2 and another big at 6 (Stein? That would mean OK4 would be a PF with Stein a C) or maybe Mudiay if he is there. If you could get 2,11, and 19, maybe you end up with OK$/Towns, Winslow, one of the international players, and Portis.

All depends on how much Philly wants Russell. I just think we need multiple picks, and the 76ers would be the best team to get them from.