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misterearl
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2/17/2015  9:43 AM
“When I go to the park, I don’t go, ‘Well, this guy is going to bring his ball tomorrow, so I’m going to pick him. I say, ‘He’s going to help me win today,’ and that’s what you have to get back to. You say: ‘That dude can help me win. Now, how do I get him?’ That is a true essence of what New York City basketball is.”

What’s problematic about the Knicks at the moment is that the team has no signature, no personality. There is no theme, except “next season.”

“It seems like this year, it’s about, ‘We still have Carmelo, and we’re going to have 11 guys around him who weren’t here last year. That’s a difficult situation to sell, because you’re not creating a style of play that will make it attractive to come here.” (Et tu nixluva?)

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(And what’s extraordinary about the Knicks’ continuing free-fall is how otherwise sophisticated New Yorkers can accept the product. But that’s passion, which is hard to discard. - William Rhoden)

Absolutely.

“I watch it as a New Yorker.”

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EnySpree
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2/17/2015  10:04 AM
Well Kenny talks alot. That's for sure.

The Knicks do have a style of play. They are running the triangle. It's working fine is just the Knicks lack talent. Free agents don't need to ask about the style of play. The Knicks will be able to say "well this is where you will find yourself in the offense. We think you can be successful the way want to play"

We can't force guys to sign here. They would have to first want to be a knick and play at msg. Next they will have to be excited about playing this style. It's not about selling this theory. If a player wants to come here, they know all this already. Hopefully we can get guys here that want to buy in from jump. This generation is a what have you done and how can I ride your coattails era. So it's hard. Nobody wants to stand for anything

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2/17/2015  11:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/17/2015  11:07 AM
The triangle is not a style of play. It is a name for an offensive set.

Style of play, as Kenny Smith refers to, speaks more to the overall playing personality on both ends of the court.

The Spurs are not known for the plays they run, but rather "how" they relate on the court. The championship Boston Celtics were known for running a fast break to perfection, but that was only a fraction of the story. The triangle is not the personality or the heart and soul of the franchise.

Unfortunately, the franchise personality that clouds our beloved Knicks is a direct by-product of that style exemplified by its ownership. Uncle Phil has his work cut out for him.

Just a thought.

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2/17/2015  11:08 AM
We dont have a style of play, because we dont have any players yet.

Im not convinced THjr makes it past the deadline.

I see Melo, Galloway possibly Calderon and not much else. Maybe Prigs (I think he gets traded also).

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2/17/2015  11:20 AM
Which came first, the players or the playing personality?

fishmike wrote:We dont have a style of play, because we dont have any players yet.

Im not convinced THjr makes it past the deadline.

I see Melo, Galloway possibly Calderon and not much else. Maybe Prigs (I think he gets traded also).

“You say: ‘That dude can help me win. Now, how do I get him?’ That is a true essence of what New York City basketball is.”

What’s problematic about the Knicks at the moment is that the team has no signature, no personality. There is no theme, except “next season.”

The Knicks playing personality will be determined by the five starters (sans Carmelo) who Phil decides are the foundation. With regard to personality, Melo must be dropped from the equation. Hence, why he will be recast as a sixth a man in the image of Vinnie Johnson.

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2/17/2015  11:21 AM
At least something is finally happening for the Knicks. I am optimistic about the changes. Storm clouds gwine part eventually.

And for now, the Wizards have a shot at grabbing a chip. Go DC!

(Yes, I am still a Knicks fan, but need a team to root for this season, and my kid adores JW and his team in DC).

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2/17/2015  11:25 AM
or Cazzie Russell Earl
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2/17/2015  11:43 AM
Triangle is not a system, its not an offensive set......

ITS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!

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2/17/2015  11:44 AM
True. Or john Havlicek.

gunsnewing wrote:or Cazzie Russell Earl

Cazzie was eventually traded to Golden State.

No way Bradley should have started ahead of him. Given the cultural backdrop, Cazzie's treatment was one of the most tense moments in franchise history. Thankfully, the elders on the roster (Reed) helped him manage his frustration.

Imagine the task to convince Melo it is best for the team that he comes of the bench.

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2/17/2015  11:47 AM
Havlicek is probably the best defender to ever play the game not counting centers
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2/17/2015  11:55 AM
You know I have to comment on this. 1st of all what team that is basically doing a total rebuild is going to demonstrate a style of play? We only have one clear starter for next year in Melo!!! I can't stand all the media and some fans who've bought into this crap, talking about the team when we know they've broken it down and have almost nothing on the roster right now but role players and prospects. For decades they've been screaming for the Knicks to do a rebuild or claiming it can't be done in NY. Now that Phil is doing the closest thing to a rebuild they complain that we have no "Style of Play" and no players. NO DUH!!! Even with that we have more of a style of play than many other teams that are full of kids and no dominant style of play.

Here's the thing, we can't know what this team is going to be until we bring in starting quality players. That's the goal of Phil this summer. We need a starting quality PG, SG, PF and Center. They don't all have to be All Stars but surely more productive players than we have now. It's going to be a process. We can't fix everything on the team all at once, but with a draft pick and cap space Phil has a lot of options for getting a big influx of talent on this roster.

Just looking at some of the Unrestricted Free Agents you can see how many players will be looking for a new home and contract. Some of these guys are going to be good values because they haven't yet had a big role but are very efficient. Here's a list of 28 and under FA's. This isn't even all of the Free Agents and doesn't include the RFA's. Plus there are overseas guys. We can offer a STARTING spot and a higher profile which will be attractive to a lot of FA's and their Agents.


PLAYER POS. AGE FROM 2014 CAP HIT STATUS
Kendall Marshall PG 23 MIL $915,243 UFA
Jeremy Lin PG 26 LAL $8,374,646 UFA
Goran Dragic PG 28 PHX $7,500,000 UFA

John Jenkins SG 23 ATL $1,312,920 UFA
Austin Rivers SG 24 NOP $2,439,840 UFA
Kyle Singler SG 26 DET $1,090,000 UFA
Donald Sloan SG 26 IND $948,163 UFA
Danny Green SG 27 SAS $4,025,000 UFA
Marcus Thornton SG 27 BOS $8,575,000 UFA
Wesley Matthews SG 28 POR $7,245,640 UFA
Marco Belinelli SG 28 SAS $2,873,750 UFA

Luke Babbitt SF 25 NOP $981,084 UFA
Robbie Hummel SF 25 MIN $880,000 UFA
Omri Casspi SF 26 SAC $915,243 UFA
Wesley Johnson SF 27 LAL $915,243 UFA
Alonzo Gee SF 27 DEN $915,243 UFA
Jeremy Evans SF 27 UTH $1,794,871 UFA
Gerald Green SF 28 PHX $3,500,000 UFA
DeMarre Carroll SF 28 ATL $2,442,455 UFA

Thomas Robinson PF 23 POR $3,678,360 UFA
Kevin Seraphin PF 25 WAS $3,898,691 UFA
LaVoy Allen PF 25 IND $915,243 UFA
Darrell Arthur PF 26 DEN $3,457,149 UFA
Austin Daye PF 26 SAS $1,063,384 UFA
Malcolm Thomas PF 26 BOS $635,827 UFA
Amir Johnson PF 27 TOR $7,000,000 UFA
Dante Cunningham PF 27 NOP $716,043 UFA
Jonas Jerebko PF 27 DET $4,500,000 UFA
Jeff Ayres PF 27 SAS $1,828,750 UFA
Luc R Mbah a Moute PF 28 PHI $4,382,576 UFA
Jason Smith PF 28 NYK $3,278,000 UFA
Aron Baynes PF 28 SAS $2,077,000 UFA

Greg Monroe C 24 DET $5,479,933 UFA
Greg Smith C 24 DAL $948,163 UFA
DeAndre Jordan C 26 LAC $11,440,123 UFA
Robin Lopez C 26 POR $6,124,729 UFA
Alexis Ajinca C 26 NOP $981,084 UFA
Brandan Wright C 27 BOS $5,000,000 UFA
Omer Asik C 28 NOP $8,374,646 UFA

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2/17/2015  12:12 PM
Style of play will be dictated by the stars we aquire. So it's really doesn't make sense to talk about establishing a style of play if that's how you want to look at it.

If we get LaMarcus we'll shift to a certain style...if we got dragic and or Mathews then we'd play more perimeter. We will have a shift also depending if we draft towns or Russell.

So it's really a empty conversation.

One things for sure, we're gong to be running the triangle. So players know what we'll do. "Style of play" depends on who we get going forward.

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2/17/2015  1:00 PM
misterearl wrote:True. Or john Havlicek.

gunsnewing wrote:or Cazzie Russell Earl

Cazzie was eventually traded to Golden State.

No way Bradley should have started ahead of him. Given the cultural backdrop, Cazzie's treatment was one of the most tense moments in franchise history. Thankfully, the elders on the roster (Reed) helped him manage his frustration.

Imagine the task to convince Melo it is best for the team that he comes of the bench.



Bradley bought a weird dynamic and Cazzie got hurt by the circumstances. Cazzie's knee and game was suited perhaps better to be a "Microwave" off the bench, something Bradley could not do. Cazzie was top pick in 1966 and did not make it to the star he was destined for. In the end it was the right call given the dynamic of the team. Bradley's two years off did not help his quickness either!!!

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