EnySpree wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Amare played like an MVP when he was healthy, always did his level best to get back from his many injuries as fast as he could. Did some stupid stuff while he was here like the fire extinguisher incident, but he wasnt a malcontent like Marbury, a lazy SOB like Curry and Jerome James.

He was mvp caliber for 4 months into his career here. It's a 5 year contract

EnySpree wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Amare played like an MVP when he was healthy, always did his level best to get back from his many injuries as fast as he could. Did some stupid stuff while he was here like the fire extinguisher incident, but he wasnt a malcontent like Marbury, a lazy SOB like Curry and Jerome James.

He was mvp caliber for 4 months into his career here. It's a 5 year contract

Amar'e biggest sin was that he had the knees of a 65 year old man, according to doctors. Im as glad as anyone to finally see that albatross of a contract expire, but Amar'e tried to live up to his contract and his body failed him. Lots of cap killing players in this team's history who I was much happier to see hit the bricks.

dk7th wrote:funny what some people consider mvp basketball. during his "epic run" where he "put the team on his back" and "carried them to respectability" by being in "beast mode" all he did was score a lot of points. he didn't really rebound, or defend, or pass the ball, or fight for loose balls that much. lastly, you'd think in a team sport that its most valuable player is he who actually makes others around him better.

2.66 assists for Nov,Dec,Jan. but those are offset by 3.27 turnovers-- he hurt his team.
32% usage rate and around a 10% assist rate makes for a ghastly ratio of 3:1-- this hurt his team.
8.9 rebounds not too shabby, and includes 2.7 offensive rebounds which is pretty good, although following your own shot cheapens the stat
56.8% TS is ok, efficient... but it certainly isn't proficient, and proficiency is what you want from a wingish mvp candidate who doesn't share the ball and is a turnover machine.

again, amare stoudemire never made others around him better during those several months. sportscasters and writers vote on this jayvee season award. maybe durant has it right-- these people don't know that much.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:funny what some people consider mvp basketball. during his "epic run" where he "put the team on his back" and "carried them to respectability" by being in "beast mode" all he did was score a lot of points. he didn't really rebound, or defend, or pass the ball, or fight for loose balls that much. lastly, you'd think in a team sport that its most valuable player is he who actually makes others around him better.

2.66 assists for Nov,Dec,Jan. but those are offset by 3.27 turnovers-- he hurt his team.
32% usage rate and around a 10% assist rate makes for a ghastly ratio of 3:1-- this hurt his team.
8.9 rebounds not too shabby, and includes 2.7 offensive rebounds which is pretty good, although following your own shot cheapens the stat
56.8% TS is ok, efficient... but it certainly isn't proficient, and proficiency is what you want from a wingish mvp candidate who doesn't share the ball and is a turnover machine.

again, amare stoudemire never made others around him better during those several months. sportscasters and writers vote on this jayvee season award. maybe durant has it right-- these people don't know that much.

Its funny because I just have memories of what I watched and Amare and that team was so much better than anything the Knicks had had during the first two years of the Walsh/D'Antoni tenure. Also, they were competitive every night and while it may have been lame and predictable, Amare for three on the final seconds of a game after a time out was somewhat effective. I guess that team really wasn't on the cusp of something great.

no they were not on the cusp of something great but they were 28-26 and if you look at the records of the rest of eastern conference, the knicks even without amare stoudemire would have made the playoffs that year. the point being that while not on the cusp of greatness or contending they were set up to build by position of need, which was slated to be at point guard. this would have enhanced stoudemire's effectiveness. remember that felton had an audition contract of only two years, which was a clear direction that walsh wanted to take, using d'antoni style and finding an upgrade as soon as possible. that would have been the summer of 2011.

imagine a lineup with

1)an upgrade over felton-- finding lin in the summer of 2011 seems farfetched but i believe he was on walsh's radar. you never know.
2)fields (who would be the next position to upgrade)
3)gallinari
4)stoudemire
5)mozgov

that is a lineup i would have enjoyed watching!

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:funny what some people consider mvp basketball. during his "epic run" where he "put the team on his back" and "carried them to respectability" by being in "beast mode" all he did was score a lot of points. he didn't really rebound, or defend, or pass the ball, or fight for loose balls that much. lastly, you'd think in a team sport that its most valuable player is he who actually makes others around him better.

2.66 assists for Nov,Dec,Jan. but those are offset by 3.27 turnovers-- he hurt his team.
32% usage rate and around a 10% assist rate makes for a ghastly ratio of 3:1-- this hurt his team.
8.9 rebounds not too shabby, and includes 2.7 offensive rebounds which is pretty good, although following your own shot cheapens the stat
56.8% TS is ok, efficient... but it certainly isn't proficient, and proficiency is what you want from a wingish mvp candidate who doesn't share the ball and is a turnover machine.

again, amare stoudemire never made others around him better during those several months. sportscasters and writers vote on this jayvee season award. maybe durant has it right-- these people don't know that much.

Its funny because I just have memories of what I watched and Amare and that team was so much better than anything the Knicks had had during the first two years of the Walsh/D'Antoni tenure. Also, they were competitive every night and while it may have been lame and predictable, Amare for three on the final seconds of a game after a time out was somewhat effective. I guess that team really wasn't on the cusp of something great.

no they were not on the cusp of something great but they were 28-26 and if you look at the records of the rest of eastern conference, the knicks even without amare stoudemire would have made the playoffs that year. the point being that while not on the cusp of greatness or contending they were set up to build by position of need, which was slated to be at point guard. this would have enhanced stoudemire's effectiveness. remember that felton had an audition contract of only two years, which was a clear direction that walsh wanted to take, using d'antoni style and finding an upgrade as soon as possible. that would have been the summer of 2011.

imagine a lineup with

1)an upgrade over felton-- finding lin in the summer of 2011 seems farfetched but i believe he was on walsh's radar. you never know.
2)fields (who would be the next position to upgrade)
3)gallinari
4)stoudemire
5)mozgov

that is a lineup i would have enjoyed watching!

You wouldn't have seen 2/5 of it very often over the past 4 years. I am not sure if Fields fell off because of a roll change or his elbow injury but I doubt he is a starter for long. Moz took a long time to get to where he is now.

what player would not benefit from a superior pick and roll point guard? d'antoni had chris duhon his first two years and then felton. duhon was barely adequate as a bench player with lets face it a non-nba level of size and athleticism but at least was okay as an orchestrator, while felton was also not starting-caliber material no matter how hard people try to make him that.

and while i am a fan of the kid lawson in denver, he too was not much of a pick and roll player. and now in cleveland? kyrie also not a pick and roll artist.

fields was doing just fine improvising with d'antoni, doing a bunch of good things along the baseline and doing a great job rebounding and moving the ball.

that would have been a nice young team that was building towards something.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:funny what some people consider mvp basketball. during his "epic run" where he "put the team on his back" and "carried them to respectability" by being in "beast mode" all he did was score a lot of points. he didn't really rebound, or defend, or pass the ball, or fight for loose balls that much. lastly, you'd think in a team sport that its most valuable player is he who actually makes others around him better.

2.66 assists for Nov,Dec,Jan. but those are offset by 3.27 turnovers-- he hurt his team.
32% usage rate and around a 10% assist rate makes for a ghastly ratio of 3:1-- this hurt his team.
8.9 rebounds not too shabby, and includes 2.7 offensive rebounds which is pretty good, although following your own shot cheapens the stat
56.8% TS is ok, efficient... but it certainly isn't proficient, and proficiency is what you want from a wingish mvp candidate who doesn't share the ball and is a turnover machine.

again, amare stoudemire never made others around him better during those several months. sportscasters and writers vote on this jayvee season award. maybe durant has it right-- these people don't know that much.

Its funny because I just have memories of what I watched and Amare and that team was so much better than anything the Knicks had had during the first two years of the Walsh/D'Antoni tenure. Also, they were competitive every night and while it may have been lame and predictable, Amare for three on the final seconds of a game after a time out was somewhat effective. I guess that team really wasn't on the cusp of something great.

no they were not on the cusp of something great but they were 28-26 and if you look at the records of the rest of eastern conference, the knicks even without amare stoudemire would have made the playoffs that year. the point being that while not on the cusp of greatness or contending they were set up to build by position of need, which was slated to be at point guard. this would have enhanced stoudemire's effectiveness. remember that felton had an audition contract of only two years, which was a clear direction that walsh wanted to take, using d'antoni style and finding an upgrade as soon as possible. that would have been the summer of 2011.

imagine a lineup with

1)an upgrade over felton-- finding lin in the summer of 2011 seems farfetched but i believe he was on walsh's radar. you never know.
2)fields (who would be the next position to upgrade)
3)gallinari
4)stoudemire
5)mozgov

that is a lineup i would have enjoyed watching!

You wouldn't have seen 2/5 of it very often over the past 4 years. I am not sure if Fields fell off because of a roll change or his elbow injury but I doubt he is a starter for long. Moz took a long time to get to where he is now.

what player would not benefit from a superior pick and roll point guard? d'antoni had chris duhon his first two years and then felton. duhon was barely adequate as a bench player with lets face it a non-nba level of size and athleticism but at least was okay as an orchestrator, while felton was also not starting-caliber material no matter how hard people try to make him that.

and while i am a fan of the kid lawson in denver, he too was not much of a pick and roll player. and now in cleveland? kyrie also not a pick and roll artist.

fields was doing just fine improvising with d'antoni, doing a bunch of good things along the baseline and doing a great job rebounding and moving the ball.

that would have been a nice young team that was building towards something.