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Bonn1997
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6/18/2004  12:52 AM
if he joined the Knicks and play Sweetney and Kurt (if still here) at PF?
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6/18/2004  12:58 AM
Yeah, definitely.

The problem is getting him here. He's going to leave a championship team AND take a paycut? Don't think so.
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6/18/2004  2:25 AM
I speculate that his family will have more say than you think, smooth.
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6/18/2004  6:54 AM
sheed won't want to play center.
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6/18/2004  9:04 AM
I'd play him at PF and make a run at Dampier. If that doesn't work out, I'd put Mutombo at C and make one hell of a defense
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6/18/2004  9:51 AM
You could definitely play him there, but its not ideal. But at this point we have to worry about getting enough talent on our roster before we can start fitting them to positions. Luckily PF is one of the positions where we have moveable contracts (Othella, Kurt, and although I would not want to trade him, Sweets) if we can add a better player there, like Sheed.

Heck, I'd even play KT at center if we got Sheed. He had his best years there and we'd have enough height up front with a 6'10" guy and a 6'11" guy. Kurt's a better shotblocker and big man defender than Nazr, and he can draw out centers with his jumper.
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6/18/2004  11:28 AM
Posted by raven:

sheed won't want to play center.

He's said that before....he also said he doesn't want to be the main guy. I like Rasheed but I like him better when he was in college and when he first got to Portlad because he displayed a sick set of moves and unbelievable quickness in the post. Plus he's so long it's crazy

......But Sheed has turned into a Keith Van Horn with better shot blocking and defensive skills.....that is a stretch but it just annoys me when I see him hanging out by the three point line. He can hit those but his post game is the best I've ever seen next to Larry Johnson in his prime. Thing is he got those moves with that freakish length and quickness.

[Edited by - enyspree on 06/18/2004 11:29:39]
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Bonn1997
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6/18/2004  12:33 PM
But Sheed has turned into a Keith Van Horn with better shot blocking and defensive skills.....that is a stretch but it just annoys me when I see him hanging out by the three point line. He can hit those but his post game is the best I've ever seen next to Larry Johnson in his prime. Thing is he got those moves with that freakish length and quickness.

I understand what you're saying, but I think he'd still be a great player to add for the MLE. RE: "turned into a Keith Van Horn with better shot blocking and defensive skills"
I think Keith Van Horn with Rasheeds defense and shot-blocking would be a great player!
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6/18/2004  12:40 PM
a Keith Van Horn who plays defense, blocks shots & actually shows up to play in postseason games would be awesome...unfortunately, Rasheed isn't that type of player, because he has the penchant for getting into arguments w/referees & can't control his mouth...i would still love to have him on the Knicks though.
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6/18/2004  7:05 PM
If it was up to me, Id throw sheed in a rotation of 4 and 5. Start him up at 4 then have sweets come off the bench for nazr (if we dont get another bigman) and slide sheed up to the 5.
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6/19/2004  3:15 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

If it was up to me, Id throw sheed in a rotation of 4 and 5. Start him up at 4 then have sweets come off the bench for nazr (if we dont get another bigman) and slide sheed up to the 5.
I think Rasheed would be a better starting center than Nazy though. Rasheed is taller and a better defensive player. I'd rather have a PF/C combo of Rasheed and Sweetney in the starting lineup than Rasheed and Nazy. I wouldn't be opposed to keeping Kurt either. I think a Kurt/Rasheed starting frontcourt would be awesome on defense.
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6/19/2004  3:47 PM
let's all take it easy with the sheed impact. granted, he has alot of talent but he really flourished in a secondary role. in fact, he may have been the 3rd option. as the franchise player, he underperformed and was a detriment to the team. if he comes here, he will be the first option, and that's a role he hasn't had any success in. he also doesn't like to post up that much. that was the story in portland, and definitely in detroit. so center is a position he can play, but i don't think he'll like it.

now, he's definitely an upgrade over what we have, so in that respect, he's a positive. but over the longhaul of a full season or even a couple of seasons, is he worth the gamble in the lockerroom?

that's the risk.
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6/19/2004  3:56 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

let's all take it easy with the sheed impact. granted, he has alot of talent but he really flourished in a secondary role. in fact, he may have been the 3rd option. as the franchise player, he underperformed and was a detriment to the team. if he comes here, he will be the first option, and that's a role he hasn't had any success in. he also doesn't like to post up that much. that was the story in portland, and definitely in detroit. so center is a position he can play, but i don't think he'll like it.

now, he's definitely an upgrade over what we have, so in that respect, he's a positive. but over the longhaul of a full season or even a couple of seasons, is he worth the gamble in the lockerroom?

that's the risk.

If he comes here, Marbury and Houston will still be the first two scoring options. Rasheed would be either 3rd or 4th (with TT also being either 3rd or 4th).
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Posted by s3231:

I'd play him at PF and make a run at Dampier. If that doesn't work out, I'd put Mutombo at C and make one hell of a defense

i dont think you understand that motombo does not play defense, he gets into foul trouble wayyyy tooo easily
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6/19/2004  4:30 PM
Posted by timmyTtop:
Posted by s3231:

I'd play him at PF and make a run at Dampier. If that doesn't work out, I'd put Mutombo at C and make one hell of a defense

i dont think you understand that motombo does not play defense, he gets into foul trouble wayyyy tooo easily

what are you talking bout? from what i've seen, mutombo is a pretty good defender...maybe not as great as kurt is man-to-man, but he's the best thing we have to protect the lane.
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6/19/2004  5:02 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

let's all take it easy with the sheed impact. granted, he has alot of talent but he really flourished in a secondary role. in fact, he may have been the 3rd option. as the franchise player, he underperformed and was a detriment to the team. if he comes here, he will be the first option, and that's a role he hasn't had any success in. he also doesn't like to post up that much. that was the story in portland, and definitely in detroit. so center is a position he can play, but i don't think he'll like it.

now, he's definitely an upgrade over what we have, so in that respect, he's a positive. but over the longhaul of a full season or even a couple of seasons, is he worth the gamble in the lockerroom?

that's the risk.

If he comes here, Marbury and Houston will still be the first two scoring options. Rasheed would be either 3rd or 4th (with TT also being either 3rd or 4th).

i don't agree. i think it will go inside out to sheed.
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6/19/2004  6:20 PM
Some plays will go inside out to Rasheed, but that doesn't make him the first scoring option. Most of the plays will probably be designed to try to get shots for Houston and Marbury. I'd be happy if Rasheed came here and averaged 15/8 and played the great defense he always plays.
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6/19/2004  6:30 PM
what if sweets develops and we try to make him our post up guy and sign a guy like stro to be the athletic defensive big man that can still average 12&8 like camby? i would rather have that than take a huge gamble on sheed.
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6/19/2004  6:50 PM
Rasheed is a far superior defensive player to Swift. If Sweetney ready for big minutes, you can make room for him. Rasheed has spent time starting at all three frontcourt positions.
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6/20/2004  3:18 PM
In East you could probably get away with Sheed at Center but vs West teams he'd get eaten alive at Center. I hope Sweetney gets consistent mins this upcoming year.
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